Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVI

[egelband]

Some might say that shoehorning is what he did last summer. But the 1OA really gives them much more flexibility with their forward group to just wait and see what comes along. Still think they need to find a quality stopgap left D

The shoe is on very tight now though. Like after a 15 hour flight

 

[Edge]

I don't know where Astoria ends and Long Island City begins

Northern Boulevard.

 

[True Blue]

I think that is too much to give up to move up 13 spots. And it opens up some holes in the roster.

Not to mention that I cannot see Strome being traded for just futures, let alone packaging a first and Georgiev with him.

 

[jay from jersey]

It was meant as a joke. I love Diehl. I know a few people who were with him that day during the Croatia game and said he was awesome.

Not throwing shade to him at all, just a joke.

I got ya. I remember when all that shit was going down years ago and people tried to ruin his image and reputation. But didn’t know what he was going thru himself. His dad was freaking huge like him. They were both 6-8 6-9 guys I remember being like 13-13 years old I felt like they were giants. He drove a beer truck for bud. So I always try to set the record straight

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I think anything on the four line is up for grabs to be honest with you. Frankly, I don't know if I'd consider Gauthier as a given either.

Barron is going to have an edge based on skill and versatility. I think they full expect him to push both Lemieux and Howden. And again, don't rule out those two as trade chips this offseason.

Khodorenko is also in the mix for many of the same reasons.

I think Richards could get on the coaching staff's radar, but I think expectations for him are a bit more modest. Ditto for Rueschhoff. They're darkhorses though and I wouldn't rule them out.

If Gauthier is a possibility to be traded then I dont understand the trade for him. ADA potentially getting moved would have opened up a spot for Keane to come in this season and do his best in a 3RD role and boost his value further by proving he is NHL material. Instead we moved him (in a very fair deal) for a talented winger that played for us a few months and we’re gonna trade him because of an asset we got for free. It’s a strange part of the business for me.

 

[GAGLine]

My only issue with competition that dense is that I am not sure I trust DQ to properly identify who wins and who loses those battles.

Quinn isn't the only one making these decisions. He has assistant coaches and upper management who all view and discuss the players. They have access to more information than we do, and have potentially good reasons for the choices they make. Just because you don't agree with how Howden has been handled, or whomever, doesn't mean they are wrong. It doesn't mean they are right either, but we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

 

[Edge]

If Gauthier is a possibility to be traded then I dont understand the trade for him. ADA potentially getting moved would have opened up a spot for Keane to come in this season and do his best in a 3RD role and boost his value further by proving he is NHL material. Instead we moved him (in a very fair deal) for a talented winger that played for us a few months and we’re gonna trade him because of an asset we got for free. It’s a strange part of the business for me.

I don't think he's necessarily trade bait, but I don't think his spot is reserved and un-challengeable either.

He probably has more of an advantage than say Lemieux or Howden at this point, but if he sucks in camp and someone comes in and fights for the spot, I could see him sitting to start the season.

The point wasn't that he's on the way out, so much as that the spot isn't "secured" yet. So you have anywhere from 1-4 spots that players will compete for (as of this post).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Ottawa seems like a pretty natural landing spot for Georgiev no?

Sens fans seem worried that Dorion is going to trade the Islanders 1st for a goalie. Imagine Pittsburgh getting a (albeit late) 1st back for mediocre Matt Murray

 

[Tawnos]

If Gauthier is a possibility to be traded then I dont understand the trade for him. ADA potentially getting moved would have opened up a spot for Keane to come in this season and do his best in a 3RD role and boost his value further by proving he is NHL material. Instead we moved him (in a very fair deal) for a talented winger that played for us a few months and we’re gonna trade him because of an asset we got for free. It’s a strange part of the business for me.

...he didn't say anything about Gauthier possibly being traded.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Quinn isn't the only one making these decisions. He has assistant coaches and upper management who all view and discuss the players. They have access to more information than we do, and have potentially good reasons for the choices they make. Just because you don't agree with how Howden has been handled, or whomever, doesn't mean they are wrong. It doesn't mean they are right either, but we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

I think an entire season of Howden being horrendous and given the benefit if the doubt is pretty “wrong” when guys like Kravtsov didnt even get a shot to play. Im not even going to bring up Lias cause he had his own private battles but the leash on Howden is what bothers me. It’s incredibly long. Im really hoping one of our college kids can push him out and Gauthier can find a way to win out.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I saw a rumor the Rangers could be interested in Galchenyuk. I’m not exactly thrilled by that idea. Obviously it depend on the price. I’m not entirely sure he’s an upgrade over what we have already.

 

[GAGLine]

I think an entire season of Howden being horrendous and given the benefit if the doubt is pretty “wrong” when guys like Kravtsov didnt even get a shot to play. Im not even going to bring up Lias cause he had his own private battles but the leash on Howden is what bothers me. It’s incredibly long. Im really hoping one of our college kids can push him out and Gauthier can find a way to win out.

Kravtsov wasn't ready for the NHL. Having skill isn't enough. He needs to learn to be able to apply that skill in the North American game, which he struggled with at the AHL level. He also needs to learn how to play without the puck. If a coach doesn't trust a player, they aren't going to play over a player they do trust, regardless of the difference in their skill levels.

 

[Tawnos]

I think an entire season of Howden being horrendous and given the benefit if the doubt is pretty “wrong” when guys like Kravtsov didnt even get a shot to play. Im not even going to bring up Lias cause he had his own private battles but the leash on Howden is what bothers me. It’s incredibly long. Im really hoping one of our college kids can push him out and Gauthier can find a way to win out.

It's been pretty obvious the last several years that the criteria some fans use to evaluate whether a player should be in the lineup is different than what the coaches seem to use. In particular, I think that's true about bottom-6 spots. This isn't limited to the Rangers between AV and Quinn. It's all over the league.

The criteria is just different, and simple on-ice performance isn't the only factor. When you get to the 4th line, it might not even be the most important factor. While we usually think of intangibles as being things like leadership, I do think a lot of what decides 3rd and 4th line ice time are intangibles: work ethic, energy, intention, personality, coachability... all of these things weigh just as heavily for lower line spots as performance. Factor in that Howden is still developing, combined with the things we've heard about him, having that leash actually makes a ton of sense.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Not to mention that I cannot see Strome being traded for just futures, let alone packaging a first and Georgiev with him.

Agreed.

 

[Raspewtin]

wouldn't take Galchenyuk for free

he's absolutely awful

 

[Vitto79]

Northern Boulevard.

Morning sir. Wondering if you’ve heard Hanifan out of Calgary rumoured ? I imagine deAngelo would have to go back if so in a potential multiplayer deal

 

[Tawnos]

Not to mention that I cannot see Strome being traded for just futures, let alone packaging a first and Georgiev with him.

I can't see anyone but Georgiev being moved for futures at the moment, but that's just me.

 

[Avery16]

I had not realized this right away, but the Blues hiring of Montgomery was to replace Marc Savard, who left the team once the season paused. Marc ran their PP.

 

[rangers1314]

Northern Boulevard.

Agreed. North/South of the QBB.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I can't see anyone but Georgiev being moved for futures at the moment, but that's just me.

how often do futures add up to anything of value?

 

[Edge]

Morning sir. Wondering if you’ve heard Hanifan out of Calgary rumoured ? I imagine deAngelo would have to go back if so in a potential multiplayer deal

Hanifin is possible, but the real interest in Calgary for the Rangers is Lindholm.

That's a primary target for them and the guy they apparently really want.

Hanifin could, theoretically, be part of an expanded deal with Calgary, but there is some doubt as to wether that type of deal may be "too big" right now.

 

[jay from jersey]

I don't think he's necessarily trade bait, but I don't think his spot is reserved and un-challengeable either.

He probably has more of an advantage than say Lemieux or Howden at this point, but if he sucks in camp and someone comes in and fights for the spot, I could see him sitting to start the season.

The point wasn't that he's on the way out, so much as that the spot isn't "secured" yet. So you have anywhere from 1-4 spots that players will compete for (as of this post).

I agree this is a huge season for Gauthier. He could cement himself as part of the core going forward and continue his AHL success or he could be part of a package sent out or exposed in the expansion draft. He was making better more subtle plays towards the end of the season and playoffs as he caught up with the speed of the nhl but not large enough of a sample size. Looking forward to seeing him in a larger role.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Hanifin is possible, but the real interest in Calgary for the Rangers is Lindholm.

That's a primary target for them and the guy they apparently really want.

Hanifin could, theoretically, be part of an expanded deal with Calgary, but there is some doubt as to wether that type of deal may be "too big" right now.

What do you think the realistic chances are of the Rangers getting Lindholm?

 

[egelband]

It's been pretty obvious the last several years that the criteria some fans use to evaluate whether a player should be in the lineup is different than what the coaches seem to use. In particular, I think that's true about bottom-6 spots. This isn't limited to the Rangers between AV and Quinn. It's all over the league.

The criteria is just different, and simple on-ice performance isn't the only factor. When you get to the 4th line, it might not even be the most important factor. While we usually think of intangibles as being things like leadership, I do think a lot of what decides 3rd and 4th line ice time are intangibles: work ethic, energy, intention, personality, coachability... all of these things weigh just as heavily for lower line spots as performance. Factor in that Howden is still developing, combined with the things we've heard about him, having that leash actually makes a ton of sense.

This is too nuanced and thoughtful.

How about trying this on for size?

Howden SUCK.

Quinn DUMB.

Also...
Ruff CRAP

Fire BAD.

Much easier. Me like.

 

[Tawnos]

how often do futures add up to anything of value?

I was just thinking about clarifying. Prospects who look to be on the cusp might be in the offing, depending. Think Glass out of Vegas.

It depends, honestly. In the 2004 firesale, the only future that amounted to anything at all were Dubinsky (after several trades starting with a 2nd rounder that they originally got for Barnaby) and Korpikoski, who was a bottom 6er. In the last few years, they got DeAngelo, Lindgren, Howden, and Gauthier on the current NHL roster in futures trades (Gauthier came from trading Keane, who we drafted with a pick we got for Nick Holden). We also got Hajek, Miller, and Lundkqvist from futures trades.

Believe it or not, Morgan Barron came dealing the 4th we got from Florida for Yandle's rights in exchange for a lower 4th and a 6th.