Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

[MrAlmost]

MSG who can’t recruit anybody to play for the Knicks. Not sure it’s as big a deal as those in NY make it out to be.

Players like playing in MSG, but in the case of the Knicks the organization is a shit hole. All the money in a league where money is king and they cant even make the playoffs. They are an embarrassment.

 

[bobbop]

anyone interested in feeding my delusion that vegas would be interested in trading us glass/krebs, hague and a 1st for ADA? they won't but I'd like to dream

Not only do I not think you are delusional, I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. Vegas needs a PP QB. #25 in the NHL this year. The player coming back may not be Hague because Vegas needs to dump salary to take on DeAngelo But the basic structure makes a ton of sense to me.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Eichel is fantastic, but the difference between him on a massive contract and Mika is not even close to Laf. Unless Dahlin is on the table, I am not considering anything, really, with Buffalo.

let’s trade our Rangers team for the Sabres team and keep our uniforms. That way all the Eichel and Dahlin fans can have their team

 

[DanielBrassard]

Like a video game. Awesome. Trade a player at 30 years old for the same cost as obtaining one south of 25 years

Yup, just like a video game bro so true. And who said the cost would be exactly the same? Of course Rachel would cost more.

 

[Leetch3]

What do you their ask would be if the Rangers were to include 1OA?

well that is the problem. I think for the Sabres the conversation starts with 1OA and from the rangers standpoint I’m already saying no thanks.

think about what you would want in return for Mika...that’s the kind of return the Sabres will want which I’m not interested in paying.

maybe if eichel holds out forcing a trade and doesn’t play next year they will take the best offer but they aren’t going to trade him at a discount now cause he’s unhappy

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yup, just like a video game bro so true. And who said the cost would be exactly the same? Of course Rachel would cost more.

Fans crazy trade ideas would wreck this Rangers foundation.

 

[MrAlmost]

Eichel had like 20 points more than the second leading scorer on Buffalo, a former #2 overall pick in Sam Reinhart, take a look at their roster from the past season, it isn't pretty

Yup. And in 2018-19 Z had 20 more points than our second leading scorer. While playing all situations.

 

[huerter]

MSG is 100% the place to be if you thrive under the bright lights.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yup. And in 2018-19 Z had 20 more points than our second leading scorer. While playing all situations.

So we should look to Zibanejad as to why the Rangers weren't any good that year?

 

[bl02]

We are almost there guys with this rebuild. No crazy dumb trades please.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Eichel isn’t in our future. Between the cost to get him and then adding his contract , we won't be doing that deal.

 

[MrAlmost]

So we should look to Zibanejad as to why the Rangers weren't any good that year?

That's a fair point. But buffalo has been bad for years and Eichel is not leading them anywhere. So like I said I think Z may be the better overall player right now and I wouldnt get rid of Z for Eichel. I'd just resign Z.

 

[Ola]

I'm not convinced Eichel is better than Zibanejad. You can only go through so many coaches and GMs until you have to look at the players.

Ziba has done some fantastic things, but at the same time, what is his CF% when going up against Bergeron or McDavid and the likes? We have had big problems against the top units around us in the East for a long time and Ziba has not fixed that.

Eichel is fantastic on the PP and what not. But he isn’t a dynamo like Point, Aho, Barzal and the likes. For me, Eichel isn’t a player that makes a team but that is what his cost would be. And yes, to some extent — especially a team like Buffalo — Eichel can be a part of the problem too. While he of course would thrive in say the position Stamkos has had in Tampa.

I just have to say that I think how some players are seen as complete and some as more or less flawed because they aren’t 6’3 is so back wards right now. Like look at the Islanders. Oh they are so big and heavy and built for the POs. Lol Anders Lee is a disaster out there. 8 pts in 19 games despite a ton of PP time. What is the average size of NYIs top scorers in the PO? 5’11? They are lead by soft finesse players.

I listened to some podcast with I think it was Custance and co a while ago, and they just lost it when they got to the topic of Josh Andersson. Oh he is so awsome. If you can get someone like him, you can’t pass on that opportunity. Etc etc etc.

This is a guy who had 1+3 last season. Sure in like 30 games and sure maybe he wasn’t 100%. But still. Why the superlatives?

Eichel covers very little ice and has very low mobility. His size is seen as a positive, but I think it holds him back because he can’t skate with the smaller centers. Like what evidence is there that guys like him leads successful teams in the NHL? Compared to say guys like Barzal, Point, Aho and the likes? Honestly, I don’t think he is on the same level as those 3 guys.

 

[Polar Bear]

Eichel isn’t in our future. Between the cost to get him and then adding his contract , we won't be doing that deal.

Yep. Love the player, just not the right fit and timeline for us. Dahlin would be a separate discussion though.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That's a fair point. But buffalo has been bad for years and Eichel is not leading them anywhere. So like I said I think Z may be the better overall player right now and I wouldnt get rid of Z for Eichel. I'd just resign Z.

Buffalo has been bad for years because their owner wants to buy a team around Eichel and they keep spending money on guys like Okposo or Skinner (who had like 20 points after his big contract year). In hockey a single player isn't ever going to lead a team anywhere as much as fans want to believe it because the best forwards only play like 22 minutes out of 60 a night. If it cost just Zibanejad to get Eichel I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I probably wouldn't pay what the actual cost of getting Eichel would be

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We are almost there guys with this rebuild. No crazy dumb trades please.

They won't make any.

I've expected them to do 1-2 semi-significant to significant things (1 or 2 from this group: a LD, 2C, adding some beef to the top 6) this offseason along with taking care of the cosmetics (4th line, PK, etc.)

They've come this far, theres no reason for them to do something monumentally dumb. JD mentioned not allowing getting the 1 OA to force you into making bad moves, we're in good hands.

 

[Cag29]

Trading 1OA for Eichel only to then be forced to trade Mika seems like horrible asset management. Yes, Eichel is great and better but is the difference Laf? Heck no.

I rather keep Lafreniere!

 

[SA16]

Not only do I not think you are delusional, I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. Vegas needs a PP QB. #25 in the NHL this year. The player coming back may not be Hague because Vegas needs to dump salary to take on DeAngelo But the basic structure makes a ton of sense to me.

Just wondering but have you seen Shea Theodore play in the playoffs?

 

[bl02]

They won't make any.

I've expected them to do 1-2 semi-significant to significant things (1 or 2 from this group: a LD, 2C, adding some beef to the top 6) this offseason along with taking care of the cosmetics (4th line, PK, etc.)

They've come this far, theres no reason for them to do something monumentally dumb. JD mentioned not allowing getting the 1 OA to force you into making bad moves, we're in good hands.

when the dust settles we probably will give a short term deal to Strome (please no more than 4.25 annually) and somehow find a way to keep ADA because I just don't see us getting fair value for him. Probably let Fast walk since he probably will require a decent raise. Georgie still the X factor. Then work on maybe bringing in a bottom 6/4th line guy with some character/experience.

 

[MrAlmost]

Buffalo has been bad for years because their owner wants to buy a team around Eichel and they keep spending money on guys like Okposo or Skinner (who had like 20 points after his big contract year). In hockey a single player isn't ever going to lead a team anywhere as much as fans want to believe it because the best forwards only play like 22 minutes out of 60 a night. If it cost just Zibanejad to get Eichel I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I probably wouldn't pay what the actual cost of getting Eichel would be

So paying players that performed well for them to play with Eichel was a bad move? Skinner scored 40. Reinhart had 60 points. Dahlin put up back to back 40 point seasons as an 18 and 19 year old. Risto was on pace to have another 40 point season. Olofsson stepped in and played well.

I agree their coaches and gms haven't been great, I agree the team around him isnt the lightning, but Eichel gets to share the blame too. He is as much a part of a failing team as the rest of their players.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So paying players that performed well for them to play with Eichel was a bad move? Skinner scored 40. Reinhart had 60 points. Dahlin put up back to back 40 point seasons as an 18 and 19 year old. Risto was on pace to have another 40 point season. Olofsson stepped in and played well.

I agree their coaches and gms haven't been great, I agree the team around him isnt the lightning, but Eichel gets to share the blame too. He is as much a part of a failing team as the rest of their players.

Skinner scored 40 goals but still only had 63 points, but if you look at what he does season to season, he's always been wildly inconsistent, giving him a $9m per year contract was ridiculous even before it was signed, and he rewarded the Sabres by going out and scoring 23 points this year. You want to say Reinhart and Olofsson had good years? They were Eichel's most common linemates. Buffalo as a team scored 193 goals this year, Eichel was part of 78 of them, that's a little over 40% of his team's goals. Risto had 33 points and was the 5th leading scorer on the team, that's the problem, not Eichel not being able to get guys he isn't playing with to score when he's not on the ice

 

[duhmetreE]

A Bern Blockbuster

TO CGY
ADA, Buch, Georgiev and Lias

TO NYR
Lindholm, Bennett, Nikolayev/Petterson and 1st

 

[broadwayblue]

Yep. Love the player, just not the right fit and timeline for us. Dahlin would be a separate discussion though.

What would that deal look like? Talk about a blockbuster. Crazy that we could have the pieces to get a kid like that.

 

[broadwayblue]

Skinner scored 40 goals but still only had 63 points, but if you look at what he does season to season, he's always been wildly inconsistent, giving him a $9m per year contract was ridiculous even before it was signed, and he rewarded the Sabres by going out and scoring 23 points this year. You want to say Reinhart and Olofsson had good years? They were Eichel's most common linemates. Buffalo as a team scored 193 goals this year, Eichel was part of 78 of them, that's a little over 40% of his team's goals. Risto had 33 points and was the 5th leading scorer on the team, that's the problem, not Eichel not being able to get guys he isn't playing with to score when he's not on the ice

Was there anyone on these forums who actually thought that was a good contract? lol

 

[MrAlmost]

Skinner scored 40 goals but still only had 63 points, but if you look at what he does season to season, he's always been wildly inconsistent, giving him a $9m per year contract was ridiculous even before it was signed, and he rewarded the Sabres by going out and scoring 23 points this year. You want to say Reinhart and Olofsson had good years? They were Eichel's most common linemates. Buffalo as a team scored 193 goals this year, Eichel was part of 78 of them, that's a little over 40% of his team's goals. Risto had 33 points and was the 5th leading scorer on the team, that's the problem, not Eichel not being able to get guys he isn't playing with to score when he's not on the ice

Alright. Fair enough.