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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

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on eichel...he is a tremendous player and I think that if he didn't play in buffalo and happen to be drafted the same year as mcdavid, he would be talked about alot more. so there is no questioning the talent but it really starts to approach video game category. and aside from the likely insane price in a trade you can't ignore the impact to the cap as well...

mika needs a new contract in 2 years and I can't see how you could possibly have 2 $10 mil centers plus panarin on the back end of his deal, plus raises to kakko and laf (if they aren't going to buffalo) and there is no way it can work and you can still field a team.

the scenario were he might make sense though is if you are afraid to give a huge 7-8 year extension to 29 year old zibanejad...you could then trade mika and keep eichel who would be like 26 as the #1 center. but I really don't think you could have both as a 1-2 punch for longer than 2 years.
 
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on buffalo trying to trade for the #1 pick...like several others said, the only deal that I think makes sense to even discuss is if the sabres are willing to offer dahlin which they probably aren't. I have little interest in a package of 4+ assets...

even if those 4 assets sum up to more value than laf by himself. the cap becomes an issue at that point...after ELCs run out you are then faced with 2 possible outcomes. 1) all 4 assets pan out and need big raises, you can't afford to keep them all and would have been better off just keeping the #1 pick or 2) the 4 assets don't all pan out and you would been better off just keeping the #1 pick.

it would need to be either 1 or 2 elite assets coming back to even have a discussion....once the package gets bigger than that, I become much less interested.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
How is Lindholm as a pivot? How is his defensive play?
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Good on faceoffs - this last year was an off-year and the first time in several years he finished below 50 percent. But he's shade under 53 percent for his career.

Defensively - He finished 10th in Selke voting last year. He's solid there as well.

I think his 78 point season last is probably going to be high-water mark. That was a result of playing RW on the Flames top line. Normally I would expect more in the 25 goal-30 goal, and 60-70 point range. Though his goal scoring keeps becoming more and more of an attribute.

In that sense, he could work very well with "playmaking" wings.
 
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anyone interested in feeding my delusion that vegas would be interested in trading us glass/krebs, hague and a 1st for ADA? they won't but I'd like to dream
 
Edge said:
Good on faceoffs - this last year was an off-year and the first time in several years he finished below 50 percent. But he's shade under 53 percent for his career.

Defensively - He finished 10th in Selke voting last year. He's solid there as well.

I think his 78 point season last is probably going to be high-water mark. That was a result of playing RW on the Flames top line. Normally I would expect more in the 25 goal-30 goal, and 60-70 point range. Though his goal scoring keeps becoming more and more of an attribute.

In that sense, he could work very well with "playmaking" wings.
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which are good numbers for a 2c on their own...but does those # include the production bump from playing with panarin? strome is a 20g/70p guy with panarin probably closer to 50p without.
 
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which are good numbers for a 2c on their own...but does those # include the production bump from playing with panarin? strome is a 20g/70p guy with panarin probably closer to 50p without.
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My hope would be that he could enjoy a similar bump as a second line center, based on the makeup of our team. But I can't say that definitely.

However, when you look at the makeup of this squad (Zibanejad, Panarin, Kakko, Lafreniere, Kreider), there's certainly a hope to eventually enjoy "inflated" numbers such as those posted by players on Tampa, Toronto, Boston, etc.

So playing with Panarin could get Lindholm right back in that 30 goal/80 point range.
 
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Edge said:
Good on faceoffs - this last year was an off-year and the first time in several years he finished below 50 percent. But he's shade under 53 percent for his career.

Defensively - He finished 10th in Selke voting last year. He's solid there as well.

I think his 78 point season last is probably going to be high-water mark. That was a result of playing RW on the Flames top line. Normally I would expect more in the 25 goal-30 goal, and 60-70 point range. Though his goal scoring keeps becoming more and more of an attribute.

In that sense, he could work very well with "playmaking" wings.
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Sounds just like the #2C this team needs. Someone that fits the age of the core, defensively responsible and can produce.
 
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If Hank retires:

Offer-sheet Mikhail Sergachev, 5 years 7.5m per. Compensation 1, 2 and 3rd round pick in 21’.

Resign TDA, 6.85m per 6 years.

Resign Strome, 1 year 4m.

Bridge Lemieux

Convince Fast to stay

Trade Smith at 50%

Kreider-Ziba-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Fast
Sergachev-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-TDA
Shesty
Geo

Protect:
1. Sergachev
2. Trouba
3. Fox
4. TDA
5. Kreider
6. Ziba
7. Panarin
8. x?

Trade Buch before the expansion draft.

I know that we lock up a lot of money on the blueline. BUT, we do not commit to players that gives us less flexibility. Sergachev has four more RFA years without NMC/NTC. Fox 4-5 right? TDA 3 right?
 
Leetch3 said:
Ideally the return for ADA is closer to the same age as tony and not much above 25
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I would be alright with a 2nd piece in the deal that was a little older if the 1st piece wasn't quite up to ADA value, or was a top-echelon prospect who was ready to step in next year, but straight across I definitely want a similarly aged player.
 
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Edge said:
Good on faceoffs - this last year was an off-year and the first time in several years he finished below 50 percent. But he's shade under 53 percent for his career.

Defensively - He finished 10th in Selke voting last year. He's solid there as well.

I think his 78 point season last is probably going to be high-water mark. That was a result of playing RW on the Flames top line. Normally I would expect more in the 25 goal-30 goal, and 60-70 point range. Though his goal scoring keeps becoming more and more of an attribute.

In that sense, he could work very well with "playmaking" wings.
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I almost want this to happen just because Flames fans laughed at me when I offered DeAngelo for him. :laugh:
 
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He's above-average on face offs, has taken over 2,000 draws in his career. Also very good on the PP.

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Leetch3 said:
Ideally the return for ADA is closer to the same age as tony and not much above 25
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Leetch3 said:
anyone interested in feeding my delusion that vegas would be interested in trading us glass/krebs, hague and a 1st for ADA? they won't but I'd like to dream
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Trxjw said:
I would be alright with a 2nd piece in the deal that was a little older if the 1st piece wasn't quite up to ADA value, or was a top-echelon prospect who was ready to step in next year, but straight across I definitely want a similarly aged player.
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At the Trade proposal board someone suggested ADA/Howden for Tuch/Krebs

Tuch seems a proven version of what Gaut could be

Tuch/ADA a classic depth-for-need hockey trade of proven 24 yr olds

Unlike 99% of NYR suggestions there, this one wasnt seriously unbalanced
 
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Ola said:
If Hank retires:

Offer-sheet Mikhail Sergachev, 5 years 7.5m per. Compensation 1, 2 and 3rd round pick in 21’.

Resign TDA, 6.85m per 6 years.

Resign Strome, 1 year 4m.

Bridge Lemieux

Convince Fast to stay

Trade Smith at 50%

Kreider-Ziba-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Fast
Sergachev-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-TDA
Shesty
Geo

Protect:
1. Sergachev
2. Trouba
3. Fox
4. TDA
5. Kreider
6. Ziba
7. Panarin
8. x?

Trade Buch before the expansion draft.

I know that we lock up a lot of money on the blueline. BUT, we do not commit to players that gives us less flexibility. Sergachev has four more RFA years without NMC/NTC. Fox 4-5 right? TDA 3 right?
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fox is exempt from the expansion draft and doesn't need to be protected...

and we aren't offer sheeting anyone.
 
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