Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

[Edge]

What do you think dunn's upside realistically is? He looks like a great young player at times but he's protected in that d on stl. If he came here I would imagine it's bc the team sees him capable of taking on more of a challenging load.

I think the Rangers hope would be for a similar pairing as Winnipeg had with Morrissey and Trouba.

 

[Edge]

Brendan Dillon.

They'll be watching those talks closely.

 

[NYR Viper]

What do you think dunn's upside realistically is? He looks like a great young player at times but he's protected in that d on stl. If he came here I would imagine it's bc the team sees him capable of taking on more of a challenging load.

@Edge has mentioned this many times before but it's often not so much about finding a specific guy who is capable of playing 25 minutes a night. Someone like a Hedman. It's more about the collective unit that can get the job done. For example, if they see Dunn as someone who could play 18-20 minutes a night and enhance and support someone like Trouba as his partner than that is the type of move that makes sense. Find the right guys and you don't need to pay $10m per season for a top-pairing guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

They'll be watching those talks closely.

My concern with Dillon is the term

 

[DanielBrassard]

Back to Buch and ADA for Lindholm and Hanifin

Please stop.

 

[Edge]

@Edge has mentioned this many times before but it's often not so much about finding a specific guy who is capable of playing 25 minutes a night. Someone like a Hedman. It's more about the collective unit that can get the job done. For example, if they see Dunn as someone who could play 18-20 minutes a night and enhance and support someone like Trouba as his partner than that is the type of move that makes sense. Find the right guys and you don't need to pay $10m per season for a top-pairing guy.

With a lot of star, and potential star players in the organization, one of the "under the radar" challenges is going to be finding those guys who over-achieve and provide value because they're an awesome fit for what we have in place.

So you're looking for guys who come in and find a fit like Straka, Nylander, Klein, Brassard, or even Strome have in the past.

You aim to have a guy like Dunn come in and find chemistry with someone (say Trouba) and be a part of a pair that compliments each other. So in that sense you don't need Dunn to suddenly climb to 15 goals and 50 points. You need him to mesh with Trouba, put up his 10 goals and hit that 35 point mark.

I think that's also the mindset behind targeting someone like Lindholm, or even the concept of trading higher skill levels for improved roster balance.

 

[Edge]

My concern with Dillon is the term

That's a fair concern. If he can't come to terms with Washington, it probably indicates the ask is pretty decent.

 

[bobbop]

Reeves sucks. The game has evolved to the point where idiots like him are no longer needed. I mean do you really want that scrub on your 4th line or do you want a 4th line of

Lemieux-Richards-Gettinger


or something like that. I'd rather go with that and try to develop 2 young grinders than put a 33 year old schmuck out there.

So you post this every two pages?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My concern with Dillon is the term

That and role.

I don't think I'd want him handling top pair minutes. Maybe if he's paired with Fox, but even then.

 

[RangersFan1994]

My concern with Dillon is the term

my concern is age. aggressive physical players usually don't age well especially on defense.
he is 29 but how will he be in year 3 or 4. players like him will want that 5-7 year contract. most id give Dillion is 3 years.

 

[Trxjw]

It's interesting to see how the opinion of Brodin has changed over the last few years. I remember a lot of heated posts trying to convince people that he was much better than the stat line not that long ago.

 

[carminejr]

Reeves sucks. The game has evolved to the point where idiots like him are no longer needed. I mean do you really want that scrub on your 4th line or do you want a 4th line of

Lemieux-Richards-Gettinger


or something like that. I'd rather go with that and try to develop 2 young grinders than put a 33 year old schmuck out there.

- Said literally nobody ever. Your first problem is bestowing the dime a dozen 90s enforcer moniker on RR when anyone who actually watches hockey sees how much he impacts the game when he's on the ice. Richards (an undrafted defensive specialist) and Gettinger (a perennial 4A player who will never sniff the bottom-6 again) over Reavo??? Thanks for the laughs man.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Not sure how giving Brodin a 6-8 year deal fits w the NYR timeline and pipeline anyway.

Dunn is a much better fit based on age and contract status if they are making a long term investment.

If they want a bridge option to see how players like Miller, Hajek, Robertson, etc develop this season a guy like Ekholm makes more sense to me.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It's interesting to see how the opinion of Brodin has changed over the last few years. I remember a lot of heated posts trying to convince people that he was much better than the stat line not that long ago.

Yea, when he was rumored as a piece in play for McDonagh most people hated it.

 

[Off Sides]

It always concerns me when the Rangers target already in the NHL defenders by trade thinking they will take the next step playing for the Rangers.

 

[Leetch3]

With a lot of star, and potential star players in the organization, one of the "under the radar" challenges is going to be finding those guys who over-achieve and provide value because they're an awesome fit for what we have in place.

So you're looking for guys who come in and find a fit like Straka, Nylander, Klein, Brassard, or even Strome have in the past.

You aim to have a guy like Dunn come in and find chemistry with someone (say Trouba) and be a part of a pair that compliments each other. So in that sense you don't need Dunn to suddenly climb to 15 goals and 50 points. You need him to mesh with Trouba, put up his 10 goals and hit that 35 point mark.

I think that's also the mindset behind targeting someone like Lindholm, or even the concept of trading higher skill levels for improved roster balance.

I think another example on the team right now is Ryan Lindgren. On his own he's probably not a top 4 guy but him and fox just work together.

I know that people are trying to put together the hypothetical 'ideal team' but I definitely think at times we can get too caught up on labels and the # listed next to a forward or d pairing when the bigger focus should be on chemistry and if the line works

 

[Trxjw]

Yea, when he was rumored as a piece in play for McDonagh most people hated it.

I recall a couple of Minny fans throwing out their #1, a prospect, and Brodin in 2016 for Stepan and people trashing it. Meanwhile I was licking my chops at the idea of picking up Brodin and McAvoy in one trade.

Oh, for anyone raising an eyebrow at that, I checked the google machine for a receipt: Speculation: - Offseason Thread: Officially Offseason

 

[True Blue]

My concern with Dillon is the term

I would say that he makes for a solid stop gap as well.

 

[rangers1314]

I would say that he makes for a solid stop gap as well.

He may, but he won't be looking for a "stop gap" contract.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We've talked about Elias Lindholm. What about Hampus Lindholm?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We've talked about Elias Lindholm. What about Hampus Lindholm?

I love the player.

Would acquire.

 

[Edge]

I think another example on the team right now is Ryan Lindgren. On his own he's probably not a top 4 guy but him and fox just work together.

I know that people are trying to put together the hypothetical 'ideal team' but I definitely think at times we can get too caught up on labels and the # listed next to a forward or d pairing when the bigger focus should be on chemistry and if the line works

Lindgren is an example of that. I would be shocked if we don't see some forwards (other than Strome) find themselves in similar situations. I'm personally less concerned about terms (first line/second line, second pair/third pair) than I am focused on pairings and chemistry.

And that holds true for our potential pick at 22 this year.

 

[bleedblue94]

@Edge has mentioned this many times before but it's often not so much about finding a specific guy who is capable of playing 25 minutes a night. Someone like a Hedman. It's more about the collective unit that can get the job done. For example, if they see Dunn as someone who could play 18-20 minutes a night and enhance and support someone like Trouba as his partner than that is the type of move that makes sense. Find the right guys and you don't need to pay $10m per season for a top-pairing guy.

I totally agree and understand this. You can't pay 5 to 10 million dollars a year for every position on the roster in a cap world. I'm just wondering if the team used him as a guy that can be our version of Morrissey to go with trouba for tough matchups five on five, or if you would be potentially viewed as a partner on the bottom pair here as well would slightly more sheltered minutes. My assumption is that it would be the first scenario, but I wasn't sure.

 

[Minmonster]

The timing of the nhls flat cap is a real advantage for us. The Rangers are sitting on the best prospect system in hockey and in 1 year a lot of cap flexibility. This will provide a ton of leverage. I’m of the opinion that the Rangers hold steadfast for one year,see what they have in lhd prospects and target a specific player or two like Barkov or lindrum next year. I can personally live with watching a borderline playoff team in which the youth are evaluated for one more year.

 

[BBKers]

Wonder about the up and coming buyouts. Likely there will be a few interesting stopgap options outta that...