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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

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True Blue said:
To me that just makes it that much more difficult and probably unrealistic. To have the second deal in place before you have a first and to have commitment is not easy.
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Gorton would work on both deals simultaneously and pull the trigger on both at the same time. It wouldn't be the first time a GM has done something like that. They are always having multiple conversations at the same time.
 
True Blue said:
Honestly, not sure of what you are getting at. My response was that I did not think that structuring a deal by being dependent on another deal is very realistic. I hardly think that DeAngelo is untouchable (very,very few are) but what he produced is rare. Very rare. If a team wants to deal for such a young, dynamic ice tilter, they are going to have to give. A lot. Which probably means that both teams will need to have the cap space as well as the personnel.
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What I find unrealistic is that

Rangers trade ADA for Picks/prospects

Rangers can find any deal where they trade picks/prospects for anyone who is nearly as young and good as ADA.

Any team who had anything young and good as him would likely keep that player.

I am one, and have been one of ADA's bigger supporters since he was traded for, nothing to do with anything but on ice. I also realize there is not likely any way for the Rangers to get equal value back by trading him.
 
GAGLine said:
Gorton would work on both deals simultaneously and pull the trigger on both at the same time. It wouldn't be the first time a GM has done something like that. They are always having multiple conversations at the same time.
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I am not saying that it would be a first. Just doubting that it will happen.
 
Off Sides said:
What I find unrealistic is that

Rangers trade ADA for Picks/prospects

Rangers can find any deal where they trade picks/prospects for anyone who is nearly as young and good as ADA.

Any team who had anything young and good as him would likely keep that player.

I am one, and have been one of ADA's bigger supporters since he was traded for, nothing to do with anything but on ice. I also realize there is not likely any way for the Rangers to get equal value back by trading him.
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I also do not believe that they are actively shopping him. However, I realize that the future does not have all 3 of Strome, DeAngelo & Buchnevich. One if not two will not be here in the mid term. I think that long term it is only one that goes forward. I view Strome as a stop gap, so think that it will be down to DeAngelo or Buchnevich who is here long term.

There really is not a lot of depth on the right side right now BUT DeANgelo has been producing at a level unseen on Broadway in 25 years. Does any of that make either untradeable? No. But if they are dealt, it would be for that which can help immediately.

Why wold a team deal its prospects for DeAngelo? Because the chances of any of them producing like he is, are low. Said team may have good young prospects but DeAngelo is a very good young player that is already producing. There are not many teams that are sitting on a similar good young player. Which is where the trade profile of a possible partner shrinks.
 
True Blue said:
I also do not believe that they are actively shopping him. However, I realize that the future does not have all 3 of Strome, DeAngelo & Buchnevich. One if not two will not be here in the mid term. I think that long term it is only one that goes forward. I view Strome as a stop gap, so think that it will be down to DeAngelo or Buchnevich who is here long term.

There really is not a lot of depth on the right side right now BUT DeANgelo has been producing at a level unseen on Broadway in 25 years. Does any of that make either untradeable? No. But if they are dealt, it would be for that which can help immediately.

Why wold a team deal its prospects for DeAngelo? Because the chances of any of them producing like he is, are low. Said team may have good young prospects but DeAngelo is a very good young player that is already producing. There are not many teams that are sitting on a similar good young player. Which is where the trade profile of a possible partner shrinks.
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We may have different reasons why a multi pronged trade would not net the desired results but I think we are saying the same thing more or less.
 
Disappointing. Surprised he didn't get that extra year from Minnesota as well. AAV is right about where I expected it to be though.

Also not so bueno if it means Dumba is being shopped now. Adds choices in the DeAngelo market.
 
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Leetch3 said:
well I didn't mention him cause I thought he was good. it was a salary dump from their side.
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Of course, still he's a viable vet option if you move Smith out or Staal moves on in some capacity. But as you stated, you're paying for it on the cap. I'll echo Edge and say Vegas isn't a good dance partner for the Rangers.

To make a move, imo you either have to fleece a team, get something for a bailout, fill your own holes, accumulate value, or make a change of scenery deal- salary cap not withstanding, those would be the reasons why I would want to make a trade. Vegas doesn't offer anything in their current situation that helps the Rangers get a premium.

I think you either deal with cash strapped teams, teams that want to make a trade up at the draft, or teams that will help you fill needs. There will be more activity then ever with a known quantity for a cap for the next couple of years.

The teams with the foresight- IE cap and salary management- will have a competitive advantage in a far more fixed playing field.

So I would say situations like ARI (who will have close to 30 suitors), CGY (relationships and immediate needs), DET (can't embarrass themselves as much) and others are better candidates to help the Rangers out. STL is another, they need to take some measures depending on their cap situation. You're going to be able to get a good winner from that team, but they can get around it but using the Brooks Orpik loophole.
 
Brodin was an obvious stylistic fit but he never made sense. We would never have given him the money and contract.

Lindholm and Hanifin on the other hand, have 4 years left at under $5M. Thats the deal to be made.

ADA, Buch, Strome, Georgiev and prospects like Lias/Hajek should be enough to get some form of a deal done, no?
 
2-3 years ago this board crushed brodin from an antalytics standpoint, this summer he's a darling. Ebbs and flows...

Trading for and signing a d man like brodin didn't make sense when there are players in the pipeline to possibly fill that need cheaply by the time our window opens. Finding the forward support (2c and effective bottom 6) are better targets this summer as the internal options just aren't there.
 
Edge said:
I'd say they prefer Dunn.
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What do you think dunn's upside realistically is? He looks like a great young player at times but he's protected in that d on stl. If he came here I would imagine it's bc the team sees him capable of taking on more of a challenging load.
 
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