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Edge said:
That's why they've identified him and that's why he's the guy I would love to add and pay the price for.
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What is Calgary's cap situation like? Buch+ADA for Lindholm and their first? Or do they have a solid prospect, maybe?
 
OhYeahAndVesey said:
Main boards in a nutshell:

1) Trade offer favors OP's team - "ROFLMAO! Worst trade ever!"

2) Trade offer is even - "ROFLMAO! Worst trade ever!"

3) Trade offer favors other team - "Start with that and keep adding."

4) Trade offer greatly favors other team - "We grudgingly accept."
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There's always a sense that the other team is doing your team a favor for taking the player your team offers.
'We'll take lafriendly - or whatever his name is - for "Bracco". He'll be your number one center. He's blocked with us...'
 
MrAlmost said:
I'm not convinced Eichel is better than Zibanejad. You can only go through so many coaches and GMs until you have to look at the players.
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While I agree, and personally have no interest in adding Eichel if it means having to jettison Zibanejad, I will say this: Eichel has probably more good seasons in him than Zibanejad, solely because of his age. That said, giving up a 1st overall pick for a player earning an 8 figure salary in a salary capped league is foolish.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
Here are my hopes and dreams:

  • Lundqvist retires, freeing up his $8.5MM cap hit.
  • That leaves 14 signed players, 8F (Panarin, Kreider, Zbad, Buch, Kakko, Howden, Gauthier and Chytil), 5D (Fox, Lindgren, Staal, Trouba and Smith) and 1G (Shesh) for a total cap hit (including buyout costs) of $58.6MM/$22.9MM cap space.
  • Trade ADA for Lindholm (adds $4.85MM)
  • #22 and Hajek for Dunn. Resign him 6 years at $5MM AAV)
  • Trade Strome for two seconds.
  • Trade Georgiev for a 2nd and a 5th.
  • Sign journeyman back up 2 years $1.5MM AAV that can be exposed in the expansion draft.
  • Resign Lemiuex 2 years $1.5MM AAV.
At this point the Rangers would have 18 signed players (10F, 6D and 2G) with $10MM in cap space.

  • Resign Fast 3 years $3.25MM AAV
  • Rangers draft Laff and he gets rookie max, allot $3MM for salary and bonuses.
  • Sign Trevor Van Riemsdyk 1 year $1.5MM as a stop gap RD until Lundkvist comes over.
  • Resign McKegg 1 year $800K.
That brings us to 22 players (13F, 7D and 2G) with $1.5MM in cap space.

Panarin - Zbad - Buch
Laff - Lindholm- Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Fast
Lemiuex - Howden - Gauthier
McKegg/Smith

Dunn - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Staal - TVR
Smith

Shesh
Vet Backup
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Strome for 2 2nds? Just to get Lindholm? Lindholm isn't as good at C, or Calgary would have him there.
 
Carolina 1st + Hajek for Dunn

Strome for Avalanche 2020 3rd + Conditional 2021 2nd (becomes 2021 1st if Avalanche makes Stanley Cup Finals)

ADA for Tuch + Conditional Vegas 2021 2nd (becomes 2021 1st if Vegas makes Stanley Cup Finals)

Andersson + Howden + Georgiev for Elias Lindholm

--- I debated including someone like Kravstov in this Calgary trade; but we know that Calgary likes Andersson and that they could definitely use Georgiev with their goalie situation and he fits a rebuild due to age. I also think Howden gets us further in trade talks than most of this board would like to believe.
If we went the Kravstov route then I could see Andersson + Kravstov + Georgiev for Lindholm + Calgary 2020 2nd.

Expansion draft forwards protected: Kreider, Zib, Buch, Panarin, Lindholm, Tuch, Chytil
Expansion draft forwards exposed: Lemiuex, Gauthier
Expansion draft defensemen protected: Trouba, Dunn, Lindgren
Expansion draft defensemen exposed: Smith

Kreider Zibanjed Buchnevich
Panarin Lindholm Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Tuch
Lemiuex Barron Gauthier

Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Reunanen Smith
Staal
 
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Dvorak is the guy they need to target. If they can't go for him then go after Glass or Krebs. Tuch is not needed. Before they won the first overall I was for getting Tuch who was having a bad offensive year. Now, it's not a move that needs to be made. Nashville needs a true PP QB in the worst way and a righty puck moving defenseman. Montafluke isn't it. He's a 35-40 point second assist guy. Rangers loved Krebs before they moved up to get Kakko. I'm sure he is still on their radar.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Dvorak is the guy they need to target. If they can't go for him then go after Glass or Krebs. Tuch is not needed. Before they won the first overall I was for getting Tuch who was having a bad offensive year. Now, it's not a move that needs to be made. Nashville needs a true PP QB in the worst way and a righty puck moving defenseman. Montafluke isn't it. He's a 35-40 point second assist guy. Rangers loved Krebs before they moved up to get Kakko. I'm sure he is still on their radar.
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Do you mean Vegas ?
 
My one hesitation with Lindholm is his size/effectiveness in the playoffs. I know that the Calgary top lines aren't nec built for the playoffs so this is hard to know if it's a team issue or a team issue that Elias is central to.

But if you look at Lindholm's playoff production vs regular season, it drops in half in the playoffs. (only 15 total games to look at). And consider that Lindholm was actually the first line wing this year for Calgary -- that should give us some pause, even with the limited sample size.

To compare that to someone like Brock Nelson, the 2C of the Islanders, Brock has amazingly averaged more points per game in the playoffs than in the regular season. He's almost at point per game in the playoffs. Insane and possibly an outlier. But Brock's game is undeniably suited for the playoffs.

Of course, there are a lot of factors at play here, but I hope the Rangers think long and hard about what kind of players they need to be successful in the playoffs. They will have enough scoring to go places in the regular season. I feel fairly confident of that. But if you spend too much on regular season achievers that may struggle in the playoffs, that becomes a cap problem you can't spend your way out of. The Brock Nelsons of the world don't necessarily look like world beaters during the regular season, but they're the guys you need in the playoffs.

It's hard to know how our forward group will pan out, but we need to make sure that these supporting pieces are going to end up being more valuable come playoff time when our skilled guys are being keyed on and shut down. Whose going to step up when Zibby and Panarin are getting pushed around and shadowed? And what if Laf, Chytil, Kakko and Kravtsov don't bring enough grit? We can't just bring in Noonan, Matteau, McTavish, Larmer at the deadline -- not that easy in the cap era.

As a result, shouldn't positions like 2c/3c and bottom six be filled with some trucculence? Lindholm is not soft. He's not afraid to go to the net and goes to the dirty areas. But it does concern me that his playoff scoring rate so far has been halved in post-season.

He seems like an upgrade over Strome, and maybe that's okay for now. But will it be enough when we get closer to contention?
 
Not that there’s anyone really trying to trade this 1st overall but some people definitely don’t realize how valuable this is gonna be in this climate. We have no idea how long arenas are gonna be at less capacity. Teams may have to lower prices. Who knows what else will happen to revenue.

having a stud starting an ELC a year after the pandemic began is just an unbelievable advantage.
 
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Riche16 said:
We're also still doing offer sheets too...
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I get what you and was it @jas means and I could have written something like this myself before last summer.

But I don’t know. Before last summer many of the heavier insiders reported that Gorton definitely was considering an offer sheet and that he would consider everything. I certainly thought that it sounded nuts and I was also far from sold on the idea of jumpstarting the rebuild by diving into the UFA pool.

But Gorton did just that. If he wouldn’t have been able to trade for Panarin and sign Trouba, what would he have done? The experts said that he would have tried the offer sheet route. I don’t know.

My point is just, I don’t think it may be as far fetched as I thought it was this time last season.

In addition, with a flat cap, how younger players have become more attractive, I just think it makes more sense too. All established players (a) comes with a significant risk of starting to decline sooner rather than later it seems like, (b) you loose all flexibility because vet contracts without NMCs/NTCs basically don’t exist anymore, which must be seen in the context of the league being super hard to predict and how it’s impossible to play 6-7 years ahead with any precision. From my POV it’s a monumental advantage if you can get someone that has a number of RFA years left. If we could get Sergachev I think it’s as close to a safe investment as you can make in this league — if nothing else. I.e. if we want to make a change in 3 years, we could easily trade him for like at the very least the Trouba package (1st + Pionk) and return the 1/2/3 we give up now.

My point is just, I am not certain that an offer sheet is a sacred cow for Gorton and at the same time, I just think it makes sense in relation to Sergachev/Tampa.
 
JC704 said:
Strome for 2 2nds? Just to get Lindholm? Lindholm isn't as good at C, or Calgary would have him there.
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Actually this is wrong. Lindholm is 52.4% on the dot with over 4,000 faceoffs taken, and as someone pointed out earlier, was a recent selke candidate. Conversely, Strome is 45.9% on the dot with over 3,600 faceoffs taken and he is abysmal defensively.

Lindholm is a 0.61 PPG player in his career while Strome is a 0.52 PPG player. And Strome’s number would be lower if not for playing next to a Hart Trophy candidate this year. Lindholm has been the more consistent player since his days in Carolina.

This would be a massive upgrade to Strome.
 
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gravey9 said:
My one hesitation with Lindholm is his size/effectiveness in the playoffs. I know that the Calgary top lines aren't nec built for the playoffs so this is hard to know if it's a team issue or a team issue that Elias is central to.

But if you look at Lindholm's playoff production vs regular season, it drops in half in the playoffs. (only 15 total games to look at). And consider that Lindholm was actually the first line wing this year for Calgary -- that should give us some pause, even with the limited sample size.

To compare that to someone like Brock Nelson, the 2C of the Islanders, Brock has amazingly averaged more points per game in the playoffs than in the regular season. He's almost at point per game in the playoffs. Insane and possibly an outlier. But Brock's game is undeniably suited for the playoffs.

Of course, there are a lot of factors at play here, but I hope the Rangers think long and hard about what kind of players they need to be successful in the playoffs. They will have enough scoring to go places in the regular season. I feel fairly confident of that. But if you spend too much on regular season achievers that may struggle in the playoffs, that becomes a cap problem you can't spend your way out of. The Brock Nelsons of the world don't necessarily look like world beaters during the regular season, but they're the guys you need in the playoffs.

It's hard to know how our forward group will pan out, but we need to make sure that these supporting pieces are going to end up being more valuable come playoff time when our skilled guys are being keyed on and shut down. Whose going to step up when Zibby and Panarin are getting pushed around and shadowed? And what if Laf, Chytil, Kakko and Kravtsov don't bring enough grit? We can't just bring in Noonan, Matteau, McTavish, Larmer at the deadline -- not that easy in the cap era.

As a result, shouldn't positions like 2c/3c and bottom six be filled with some trucculence? Lindholm is not soft. He's not afraid to go to the net and goes to the dirty areas. But it does concern me that his playoff scoring rate so far has been halved in post-season.

He seems like an upgrade over Strome, and maybe that's okay for now. But will it be enough when we get closer to contention?
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You kinda combatted your own point you were trying to make here imo. Youre right its only a 15 game sample size. That is too small to be determining what type of player one is in the playoffs vs regular season. I think looking at point production is too narrow minded for this type of discussion because in the playoffs the games get tighter. With the exception of a game here and there that you have a score of say 6-3, a lot of games are 2-1, 3-2, 3-1, etc. There is a lot less room out there. For the Rangers they dont necessarily “need” Lindholm to score, which by the way, sits at 0.53 PPG in the playoffs compared to his 0.61 PPG in the regular season. Not a huge drop off. They really need Lindholm to be good on the dot and stay physical, which he has done in his brief playoff stints with a Calgary team that is also another factor in this, and be defensively responsible. 56.5% on 124 FO taken. 60 hits recorded in just those 15 games. He is averaging 4 hits per game. The guy is involved. And throughout his career he is a positive possession player. His zone starts are split pretty evenly.

I highlighted Brock Nelson, because if you are going to compare Lindholm to his elevated playoff success, then youre gona have to do it for 75% of the other players that are in these playoffs as well.
 
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RGY said:
Actually this is wrong. Lindholm is 52.4% on the dot with over 4,000 faceoffs taken, and as someone pointed out earlier, was a recent selke candidate. Conversely, Strome is 45.9% on the dot with over 3,600 faceoffs taken and he is abysmal defensively.

Lindholm is a 0.61 PPG player in his career while Strome is a 0.52 PPG player. And Strome’s number would be lower if not for playing next to a Hart Trophy candidate this year. Lindholm has been the more consistent player since his days in Carolina.

This would be a massive upgrade to Strome.
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The other point is that @Edge has said that his sources have said the Rangers believe Lindholm will be fine at center.
 
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Ola said:
I get what you and was it @jas means and I could have written something like this myself before last summer.

But I don’t know. Before last summer many of the heavier insiders reported that Gorton definitely was considering an offer sheet and that he would consider everything. I certainly thought that it sounded nuts and I was also far from sold on the idea of jumpstarting the rebuild by diving into the UFA pool.

But Gorton did just that. If he wouldn’t have been able to trade for Panarin and sign Trouba, what would he have done? The experts said that he would have tried the offer sheet route. I don’t know.

My point is just, I don’t think it may be as far fetched as I thought it was this time last season.

In addition, with a flat cap, how younger players have become more attractive, I just think it makes more sense too. All established players (a) comes with a significant risk of starting to decline sooner rather than later it seems like, (b) you loose all flexibility because vet contracts without NMCs/NTCs basically don’t exist anymore, which must be seen in the context of the league being super hard to predict and how it’s impossible to play 6-7 years ahead with any precision. From my POV it’s a monumental advantage if you can get someone that has a number of RFA years left. If we could get Sergachev I think it’s as close to a safe investment as you can make in this league — if nothing else. I.e. if we want to make a change in 3 years, we could easily trade him for like at the very least the Trouba package (1st + Pionk) and return the 1/2/3 we give up now.

My point is just, I am not certain that an offer sheet is a sacred cow for Gorton and at the same time, I just think it makes sense in relation to Sergachev/Tampa.
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Given that this franchise went four straight years without a 1st round pick, and paid a heavy price for it, I have a hard time believing that it would go that route again. They've rebuilt the farm system, so now they just need to continue to fuel the pipeline, and make judicious trades when the opportunity arises. Using an offer sheet completely disrupts that balance, and is usually done by franchises that aren't drafting well. And, you make yourself vulnerable for when your young stars reach RFA status.
 
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So this works in cap friendly:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Lindholm-Kaako
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Reaves

Brodin-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Reunanen-Smith

Igor
Hank

Trades:

Strome for Brodin

ADA for Lindholm + CAL 3rd '21

Georgiev to OTT for SJ 3rd '21 + OTT 4th '22

CAL 3rd '21 for Reaves

Lemieux - 1 year $1.2m

$750k in cap space
 
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NYR Viper said:
So this works in cap friendly:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Lindholm-Kaako
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Reaves

Brodin-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Reunanen-Smith

Igor
Hank

Trades:

Strome for Brodin

ADA for Lindholm + CAL 3rd '21

Georgiev to OTT for SJ 3rd '21 + OTT 4th '22

CAL 3rd '21 for Reaves

Lemieux - 1 year $1.2m

$750k in cap space
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What happens to Staal?
 
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