Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[bobbop]

I took the afternoon off from posting. It’s been fun watching everyone tie themselves in a knot constructing trade proposals that have little or no chance of happening for a player that seems to be an difficult fit into the current build.

It’s six hours of life that are gone forever.

Carry on...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have an extremely hard time seeing the team being bad with 3 proven PPG players up front and 2 more talents on ELCs with that kind of pedigree just waiting to break out. Not to mention drastically improved goaltending and your biggest anchor on D playing in Detroit for the year. There's also nothing preventing them from making an additional move or signing to improve the defense.

Yeah I think the one thing that isn't being mentioned here is that they'd still have 10-12 mill in space even after making this move.

Thats more than enough space to fill in your roster with UFA's (lower tier) your own prospects and STILL have money to spare.

 

[Fvital92]

You would think there isn't reading this thread. Show me how keeping Eichel and Zibanejad works long-term. I would love to see this.

They would probably trade Kreider at some point, they definitely would trade Buch, ADA and Strome.
It can work, it won't if you think Shesterkin will get Lundqvist type of money and every single propect we have will hit.
And if that happen you trade Zibanejad. Love the guy, but his injury history concerns me.

 

[Avery16]

You would think there isn't reading this thread. Show me how keeping Eichel and Zibanejad works long-term. I would love to see this.

Toronto has 22.5 million in their 1 and 2 C and still ice a competitive roster.

 

[mas0764]

Eichel would be kind of an unprecedented situation in terms of availability. More than Seguin, Hall, Nash, etc.

But a package of ADA, Chytil, Kravtsov, 2020 pick #22 and a 2021 first would be an unprecedented return for a player who is demanding a trade. (The entire discussion in my mind obviously only makes sense if he has demanded out behind closed doors...without that yes Buffalo asks for 1oA/Kakko and NYR shoot it down for $10M reasons).

Unprecedented is the right word and overpayment is probably another if he has asked for a trade. Chytil or Kravtsov, not both. They can have another roster player instead - Strome or Buch.

 

[Machinehead]

Im not gonna go back through old posts but I feel like you used to say we should try to win while Kakko and Fox were on elc's and Mika's on his sweetheart deal (think it was the argument for resigning Kreider iirc). Wouldnt getting Eichel be exactly that?

But this move would leave us with -no exaggeration- an AHL LHD corps and no flexibility at all to address that.

We were already 5th in the NHL in scoring this past year, that's not what stopping us. And Eichel is ass defensively.

It just doesn't, in any way, fit what this team needs.

 

[mas0764]

And what's the 3 year plan?

Business as usual but with Jack Eichel?

 

[Machinehead]

Toronto has 22.5 million in their 1 and 2 C and still ice a competitive roster.

Toronto is not winning a Cup with that core, precisely because they tied up massive amounts of money in assets they already had enough of. That's what we're doing here.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

This really just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The money doesn't make sense, the position doesn't make sense, the style of the player doesn't make sense, the handedness doesn't make sense. It's a moderate improvement on the #1 center we already have.

It's just a big splash. I thought we were trying to get away from that.

You're going to have a coronary if this actually happens aren't you?

 

[Machinehead]

You're going to have a coronary if this actually happens aren't you?

Why can't I ever give an opinion without being "too excited?"

 

[Avery16]

Toronto is not winning a Cup with that core, precisely because they tied up massive amounts of money in assets they already had enough of. That's what we're doing here.

How will Eichel and Zibanejad get above 18 million?

 

[Machinehead]

They would probably trade Kreider at some point, they definitely would trade Buch, ADA and Strome.
It can work, it won't if you think Shesterkin will get Lundqvist type of money and every single propect we have will hit.
And if that happen you trade Zibanejad. Love the guy, but his injury history concerns me.

So you're banking on every prospect hits and then we trade Zibanejad anyway?

Wow, thanks for proving my point.

 

[Machinehead]

How will Eichel and Zibanejad get above 18 million?

They're already making close to 16

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yeah, if Eichel has asked out and the Sabres are okay NOT including the following players:
Lafreniere
Kaako
Fox
Shesty

Then it’s game on and I’m finding a way to make this work. Eichel is a 24 year old #1 center signed long term. If that means in 2 years you’re forced to bridge a guy like Kaako or Shesty or Fox in order to make it work in the short term fine. Or when the tile comes you look to trade a guy like Trouba or Kreider once their NMC’s expire. This is years down the road.

I don’t think people understand, Eichel is just as good as Panarin offensively. And he plays center. Players like this don’t become available often.

Lindquivst
Miller
Krazkov
and
Buchnevich or Robertson


Now figure out how to find depth

 

[Polar Bear]

I took the afternoon off from posting. It’s been fun watching everyone tie themselves in a knot constructing trade proposals that have little or no chance of happening for a player that seems to be an difficult fit into the current build.

It’s six hours of life that are gone forever.

Carry on...

And all that was received by me was this stupid t-shirt.

 

[Avery16]

They're already making close to 16

You round up from 350k? Youre trying so hard here.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Why can't I ever give an opinion without being "too excited?"

You can but you get too worked up sometimes. If this happens you will bring it up on every thread for years. Go ahead deny it.

 

[mas0764]

I'm saying yes to Anna Kendrick on the assumption she texts my back.

Your assumptions re: Eichel seem potentially faulty. If Eichel wants to be there, then yes there is no reason for Buffalo to part with him for anything but the moon (Lafreniere, Kakko, etc).

But if there is any trouble in paradise or if Buffalo is having financial constraints that limitation goes away - and you don’t know the answer to that question. No one does.

And if Buffalo is in a position where they feel like they will be pressured into moving him, the Rangers can easily put together the best offer without nuking their farm system.

I don’t see anyone saying we should trade Kakko or Lafreniere, not one person; but most who are saying “no” to this potential trade keep saying that will be the cost. Everyone agreed that cost is a non starter for NYR.

But the cost might be less and if it is, the Rangers can and probably do win that bidding war. What’s that package look like? That’s what is worth discussing here.

 

[haohmaru]

They're already making close to 16

If Zibanejad has seasons similar to last year moving forward then he's making more than Eichel when he hits UFA status. Agree that keeping both will likely be impossible.

Eichel is a heck of a hockey player but he's not a fit here.

 

[Fvital92]

So you're banking on every prospect hits and then we trade Zibanejad anyway?

Wow, thanks for proving my point.

No, I'm saying that if every prospect hits you probably will have to trade Zibanejad, which is highly unlikely.
If you could get Eichel for 2 firsts, Chytil, TDA and one of Miller/Lundkvist and Kravtsov, you should do it. You get a star not yet in his prime, if you can pay Zibanejad, good, if not, just trade him for help in areas that you're lacking.
Totally against trading for Eichel if it envolves Lafreniere and/or Kakko, btw.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

You would think there isn't reading this thread. Show me how keeping Eichel and Zibanejad works long-term. I would love to see this.

It doesn't. It most likely means Zibby goes in two years. But then you still have Eichel who is younger, better, and more durable as of now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Lindquivst
Miller
Krazkov
and
Buchnevich or Robertson


Now figure out how to find depth

Im confused by what you’re saying. That’s what it would take? I doubt it’s those three prospects assuming DeAngelo is the centerpiece. But let’s just use your hypothetical:

trade ADA for picks/prospects
Trade Strome for picks/prospects
Trade Georgiev for picks

The Rangers still have:
Lafreniere
Kaako
Fox
Shesty
Gauthier
Howden
Lemieux
Lindgren
Barron
Jones
Wall
Andersson
Chytil
Plus the picks and prospects they just got back for the three guys above.

Oh and a 24 year old 1C

 

[Avery16]

I love how everyone in this thread is in the mind of Zibanejad and Gorton, knows what we will be able to offer Zibanejad two seasons from now, and knows what Zibanejad will or will not accept. We're all so plugged in.

 

[Off Sides]

Eichel three years after being selected #2 in a draft has a 10M cap hit, what do people think Laf, Kakko are going to get after their entry level?

 

[mas0764]

Tbh Eichel is marginally better at even strength. So we'd be doing all this for what, a RH shot on the PP?

Boy howdy, there's a desperate need.

The lengths some go to try to paint acquiring Eichel as a bad thing is quite humorous.