Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX
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TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
It's been reported that Pegula has a mandate out to cut costs.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Right, trading #1 for Eichel won't happen. But we have the pieces otherwise to make it work. As far as your point about Zibanejad, that's part of the appeal of Eichel, we don't have to commit long-term to a 29-year old Zib.
Machinehead
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So we're nuking the farm just to upgrade at center without improving our depth? Hard pass.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Nuking is extreme hyperbole. We'd still have Zibanejad and Eichel for 2 years together too, and then when Zibanejad is looking for 10M at 29 we let him go and have 25 year old Jack Eichel as #1 center.
I mean no disrespect to Zibanejad, but give me the younger, healthier, superior talent with an AAV that could very likely be less than what Zibanejad asks for on his next deal. Assuming he puts up another 40G/PPG+ season as he did this year.
Eichel is every bit of a "forward looking" piece as he is a short-term win. We're all saying yes to Eichel under the assumption that we're not losing Kakko or Lafreniere in the deal. If that is indeed the case and your top-six in the near-term has Panarin, Eichel, Lafreniere, Kakko, and Kreider in it, then the 6th guy in your top-six could be a baked potato taped to a hockey skate and it really wouldn't matter too much.
Just read the main boards thread on Tony D for Lindholm... I'm surprised how well regarded Lindholm is in CGY. Haven't watched much of him throughout his career to give my own honest opinion, but I didn't expect him to be #2 untouchable on their team.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Exactly this, I see it as maintaining having a #1 C when the NYR inevitably have to at least consider moving away from Z in 2022. Because they don't have another even potential 1C in the system.
NYSPORTS
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Machinehead
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I'm saying yes to Anna Kendrick on the assumption she texts my back.
Buffalo isn’t going to spend to the cap this season. They could easily retain 2 million annually. We could send some salary back. We have some salary coming off soon. For a 1-2 like Zib and Eichel, you’re supposed to try
Except we're going on tangible information here and Anna has a restraining order out for you.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Tbh Eichel is marginally better at even strength. So we'd be doing all this for what, a RH shot on the PP?
Boy howdy, there's a desperate need.
Boy howdy, there's a desperate need.
NYSPORTS
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so you lose Zibby and all the prospects
rather keep Zibby and keep the prospects b/c the Rangers don’t need Eichel.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
We have tangible information that Buffalo is just going to do us a favor for no reason?
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
you want to make a commitment to Zibanejad for 7 years at 10M per when he's 29 and has had concussion problems in the past? Braver man than me. Having Eichel there would be worth taking the hit on whatever prospects we lose in the deal.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Kreider’s clauses on his new contract most likely went into effect the moment he signed the extension, which is pretty standard for this kind of situation. The NMC has been in place since February.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
No man, we are doing it to have a ridiculous top 6 while we have Zibanejad and then a #1 center who's under contract through his prime instead of being against a wall having to sign Zibanejad long term.
Off Sides
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Rangers should have picked one or two out of Panarin, Trouba, Kreider.
All three adds up to ~26M ( almost 1/3rd of cap ceiling) and that makes it difficult for them to add in a 10M cap hit and still ice a good team beyond.
I don't like to say it but in this case I kind of think the Rangers made their bed in committing to those contracts and when I speak of them remaining flexible with their cap space going forward, this is the type of possible situation that may come up as to why I think they should do so.
All three adds up to ~26M ( almost 1/3rd of cap ceiling) and that makes it difficult for them to add in a 10M cap hit and still ice a good team beyond.
I don't like to say it but in this case I kind of think the Rangers made their bed in committing to those contracts and when I speak of them remaining flexible with their cap space going forward, this is the type of possible situation that may come up as to why I think they should do so.
We have tangible information that Eichel is unhappy with the direction of the team. That's been rumored for a long time now. Then today McKenzie tweets out that he heard some rumblings that Eichel may have asked for a trade but that at "face value" Eichel's camp and the Sabres shot it down. We know the Rangers talked with Buffalo about a number of things thanks to Edge and McKenzie confirmed that today as well.
This entire conversation is built on the premise that Eichel did ask for a trade and that the Rangers are one of only a few teams in the league who have the assets to make an offer and the resources and cap space to absorb his contract. If that's not actually the case then there's no reason for the Sabres to trade Eichel at all, let alone at a discount.
Here's another mind-blower: There's no rule against having two really good Cs. Look at St. Louis with ROR and Bray Schenn.
Fitzy
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It wouldn't be.
If he's traded, people are going to shit themselves with how lopsided the deal seems for who ever is getting him. This is what happens when you have a disgruntled player who wants out, and the list of teams who can afford to add him are small and the teams who can make competitive offers are even smaller.
The mindset that they're going to be operating from a position of strength if he wants out is a false one. The bidding war won't exist beyond 3, maybe 4 teams, and most offers are going to be prospect heavy - Hard to justify trading a guy with out getting any "now" help.
No one is going to put an offer on the table that would be anything resembling Lafreniere. Let alone Lafreniere+. Thats if he's asking to be moved. If he isn't (yet) then cool, he isn't going anywhere.
Is that what you're insinuating the added value of Eichel is to this team?
Machinehead
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