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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

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jay from jersey said:
sorry broski but grabs is done. He is not the same player he was here since his injury. He is not worth the roster spot on a young hungry team at his contract quite frankly. I bet the Yotes would love to off load him somewhere. Would love Dvorak here though. He’s a damn good center. Defensively responsible, good contract, right age, has some untapped offense in his game. If Chytil busts out this year and emerges as the 2C many think he will you can drop DVO down to third line in a more defensive role and not miss a beat. He would be a great trade target. But the Yotes are thin at center and I have no idea what their ask would be. Probably a lot. I d do Buch plus 22 plus a D prospect for him for sure. But I doubt that gets it done
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As of a few months ago, there really wasn't a keen desire to go that route for the Rangers; at least not long-term.
 
Fitzy said:
I just think Smith is far too important to this team right now (Unfortunately) to flip him for Grabner.

Smith playing even 3rd pairing level for us next year will make a huge difference.
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I agree with you as far as Smith's usefulness as a 3LD. I'm not overly inclined to need to trade him but in saying that, his cap hit vs actual money owed and his usefulness as a 3LD is exactly why I could see a team like Arizona being somewhat interested in him. He checks some boxes for them while Grabner has a lower cap hit but makes more in actual dollars than Smith by a considerable margin. Also, Grabner on a 1 year deal as a 4th line winger wouldn't be a horrible short-term replacement on the PK for Fast while other guys get up to speed.

The deal would mainly be a method for securing the teams 2C moving forward.
 
Dvorak spent a decent amount of time in 18-19 killing penalties. He also was used on the PK pretty extensively by Hunter when he was with London. In terms of skill set he's a projectable fit to center a line of Panarin and whomever. Great complimentary center who has skill, two-way ability, and is good on the forecheck.
 
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jay from jersey said:
sorry broski but grabs is done. He is not the same player he was here since his injury. He is not worth the roster spot on a young hungry team at his contract quite frankly. I bet the Yotes would love to off load him somewhere. Would love Dvorak here though. He’s a damn good center. Defensively responsible, good contract, right age, has some untapped offense in his game. If Chytil busts out this year and emerges as the 2C many think he will you can drop DVO down to third line in a more defensive role and not miss a beat. He would be a great trade target. But the Yotes are thin at center and I have no idea what their ask would be. Probably a lot. I d do Buch plus 22 plus a D prospect for him for sure. But I doubt that gets it done
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The point is that if taking Grabner’s money back for one season is something AZ asks to facilitate a deal where we land Dvorak, I don’t have an issue with Grabner being a depth role player for one year. Nowhere in that post did I say anything about Grabner still being any kind of asset himself, I just don’t mind him coming the other way if that’s what gets the deal done.
 
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Trxjw said:
Dvorak spent a decent amount of time in 18-19 killing penalties. He also was used on the PK pretty extensively by Hunter when he was with London. In terms of skill set he's a projectable fit to center a line of Panarin and whomever. Great complimentary center who has skill, two-way ability, and is good on the forecheck.
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False? I'm seeing only 56 seconds of PK time in 2018-19 on the NHL stats page.
I think you meant 2017-18. I'm seeing over 100 minutes but his PPGA/60 was an abysmal 9.54 but the team's PK was collectively bad that season.
 
n8 said:
False? I'm seeing only 56 seconds of PK time in 2018-19 on the NHL stats page.
I think you meant 2017-18. I'm seeing over 100 minutes but his PPGA/60 was an abysmal 9.54 but the team's PK was collectively bad that season.
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If Fast (And perhaps Strome) depart we will have an interesting situation in terms of the availability of competent penalty killing forwards.

That said Dvorak would almost certainly be used on our 2nd line and 2nd PP unit, so he won't be starved for minutes.
 
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n8 said:
False? I'm seeing only 56 seconds of PK time in 2018-19 on the NHL stats page.
I think you meant 2017-18. I'm seeing over 100 minutes but his PPGA/60 was an abysmal 9.54 but the team's PK was collectively bad that season.
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Yeah I keep forgetting what "last year" was because of Covid. My mistake.
 
Off Sides said:
It's risky either way, however even when the gamble goes just average, Skjei for example, the player can still have value.

The organization should have a pretty good idea of what the player is by the end of his entry level. If they are pretty confident there should be no reason not to offer something longer term.

Sure the player too needs to want to go that route, yet it seems like some teams have figured it out better than others in terms of being able to sign what are generally considered bargain contracts. I feel as if the Rangers are headed more towards the Leafs and less towards Tampa, Boston in that regard.
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The key is to identify the guys early enough that you want to invest in. For instance I bet we could have TDA on a much more affordable long term contract last offseason - now it's too late. Same with Buch. The bridge deals really don't let you keep a player long term once FA comes around.

Yes, you can get in trouble this way too, but like with Skjei or eve Tampa with Johnson or Killorn, it's not like there won't be takers when the player is young. The cap trouble comes later when it's guys like Staal or Lundqvist.
 
Off Sides said:
Skjei's contract was not really such a great bargain from the get go and they still moved him for a 1st. While that was not ideal, that is better than them bridging him, still thinking he was good after two years, and then extending him to an even bigger contract off his bridge or deciding he was not worth the next contract off the bridge and selling him for less than a 1st like they did with JT Miller.
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Exactly my thinking.
 
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Bearded Buch looks like he spent the lockdown in a cave in Russia wrestling bears and discovering himself. Even 6 months earlier he looked much younger and less formidable. Maybe he has a big coming out party next year lol
 
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It sounds like the Nucks were hoping Virtanen would build on a pretty successful regular season and have a good playoffs. Instead he showed up out of shape and had very little impact. Benning specifically said he was hoping for him to have an impact like Tuch did for Vegas.

There will be a market for him but I wonder if they try to attach him to a contract to move some money. They're in a tough spot financially. Rumors are they're going to have an internal cap and they have a couple of expensive role players on their payroll for the upcoming year and beyond. Then Hughes and Pettersson will need deals next summer.

I could see them trying to attach Virtanen to a guy like Sutter to see if they can offload some salary. Maybe for a guy who gets paid less in real money this year.
 
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n8 said:
so they won't even qualify him?
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I can't imagine they wouldn't qualify him, that would be foolish. Jake isn't going to accept $1.25 so if Vancouver truly wants to move on and not go through the arbitration process then once Virtanen declines, explore trade market or let him sign an offer sheet. they'd probably get a 2nd in compensation for an offer sheet.
 
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