Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

[Shesterkybomb]

It certainly makes sense and it would end up being elite asset management. But I don’t want to move ADA. I think he’s going to continue to be excellent and burn us down the line. I don’t want another Dykstra for Samuel type deal, you know? That’s how I feel about ADA. Rangers might be overthinking it. But anyhow, it is what it is.

As long as you get what you need in a trade you forget about what the assets you gave up are doing.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

we'd only be interested if ADA gets moved so the $$ part might be ok. The problem might be term. we'd want him on a 2 year deal to expose him in the expansion draft. at his age he might be hoping for a longer deal somewhere

Agreed on both counts

 

[haohmaru]

As I said, Fast is likely not re-signed unless Smith is traded. I am envisioning more in the range of $1.5M for Lemieux. If ADA/Stome total $11M, then you explore a trade for one or both. And you get back significant value -- it would be for flexibility, not because we have no other choice. There are so many options to make this work.

If we are near the ceiling and at the trade deadline and it looks like Lafreniere might be producing enough to earn his performance bonuses putting us over, then you make a move at the deadline to free up space. That would be a great problem to have.

I can see that, but the problem is that Fast isn't a costly player and whoever you're replacing him with is going to cost something, too, that isn't as likely to be as versatile as Fast is. He's not the guy that goes, IMHO.

Personally, Strome would probably be my odd guy out and sign some veteran - like a Brassard or player of that ilk and pray that ADA continues his production and then move him out at the deadline for a haul.

It's complicated and definitely not an easy off season for the NYR.

 

[NYR Viper]

If they have an eye on a LD then moving ADA this offseason becomes more of a necessity. Can’t lose a d-man for nothin in expansion and we all saw how impossible it was to make deals leading up to the Vegas draft.

 

[egelband]

Wild aren’t bringing Mikko Koivu back. Could do a lot worse that giving him a one year deal if he’s open to it.

Yep. Sometimes the simple solution is the best one.

 

[Leetch3]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko
Kreider - Dvorak - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Barron - Fast
Howden - Gauthier

Brodin - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Nutivaara - Bogosian
Smith

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

Replace the bottom pairing with Miller and Lundkvist the following year. Start winning cups...

assuming a staal buyout and $1 mil for lemieux's new contract and your roster would be at 89.5 mil with the dead space

 

[Edge]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko
Kreider - Dvorak - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Barron - Fast
Howden - Gauthier

Brodin - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Nutivaara - Bogosian
Smith

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

Replace the bottom pairing with Miller and Lundkvist the following year. Start winning cups...

Eh, I'll play along.

Andersson and a third for Virtanen.

ADA and Buchnevich for Lindholm and Hanifin.

Hedge our bets by moving Georgiev and 22 if someone we like is there. If not, sit tight and pick 22nd. Take the gamble and grab Lapierre if he is there.

Buy time for Lundkvist to come over. Plug him into the lineup for the 2021-22 season.

 

[Edge]

As I said, Fast is likely not re-signed unless Smith is traded. I am envisioning more in the range of $1.5M for Lemieux. If ADA/Stome total $11M, then you explore a trade for one or both. And you get back significant value -- it would be for flexibility, not because we have no other choice. There are so many options to make this work.

If we are near the ceiling and at the trade deadline and it looks like Lafreniere might be producing enough to earn his performance bonuses putting us over, then you make a move at the deadline to free up space. That would be a great problem to have.

Rangers like Fast, but they aren't chasing him for anywhere close to what his market price is likely to be.

If he comes back, it's a major (damn near stupid) discount.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I am going to venture a guess that this is also a public reminder to teams like Calgary (and others).

"Hey, we know you like the guy we're asking about. But we're willing to give you young, tangible NHL talent. We're not selling you just prospects and picks."

And, quite possibly, it's a way to see if someone calls and is willing to talk about players they like as much as Lindholm (I don't have any specific names, I'm just laying out a concept).

For sure.

I'm just saying Brooks doesn't normally take a definitive stance unless theres a reason for it.

Arent the 2 of you boys? Any chance you can shoot him a message and get some kind of explanation?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko
Kreider - Dvorak - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Barron - Fast
Howden - Gauthier

Brodin - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Nutivaara - Bogosian
Smith

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

Replace the bottom pairing with Miller and Lundkvist the following year. Start winning cups...

Yeah, Gauthier is just a spare.

 

[Leetch3]

I'd love to get brodin...his defensive heat maps are so good that even i'm smart enough to read them LOL. he seems like the perfect guy given our offensive leaning right side. but I need to know what his extension would look like. not really interested in paying the price for him in a rental. so we'd need to be able to extend him long term in a deal that makes sense for us.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Eh, I'll play along.

Andersson and a third for Virtanen.

ADA and Buchnevich for Lindholm and Hanifin.

Hedge our bets by moving Georgiev and 22 if someone we like is there. If not, sit tight and pick 22nd. Take the gamble and grab Lapierre if he is there.

Buy time for Lundkvist to come over. Plug him into the lineup for the 2021-22 season.

I know there's a decent amount of talk about back filling drafts through trades, but if they get that Calgary deal done, all they need to do is get Dougie Hamilton and Micheal Ferland and the Ranger's will have successfully set up a vacuum and gotten all of the pieces of that Flames/Hurricanes trade, now that would be some 3D chess type stuff

 

[Edge]

For sure.

I'm just saying Brooks doesn't normally take a definitive stance unless theres a reason for it.

Arent the 2 of you boys? Any chance you can shoot him a message and get some kind of explanation?

LOL, I wouldn't go that far. We are friendly business associates who have known each other for 24 years.

But without texting him, I will gather it's the Calgary thing and trying to get some movement feedback prior to the draft and free agency.

 

[NYR Viper]

Eh, I'll play along.

Andersson and a third for Virtanen.

ADA and Buchnevich for Lindholm and Hanifin.

Hedge our bets by moving Georgiev and 22 if someone we like is there. If not, sit tight and pick 22nd. Take the gamble and grab Lapierre if he is there.

Buy time for Lundkvist to come over. Plug him into the lineup for the 2021-22 season.

I like the first two deals. I’d be hopeful they’d move Georgiev for a 2nd rounder, maybe grab Greig there

 

[egelband]

As long as you get what you need in a trade you forget about what the assets you gave up are doing.

Usually, sure. But my point is that I think ADA is special. A guy you regret moving. If they move him I would hope it’s not for the sake of housekeeping and they get someone equally or more special.

 

[bbny]

@Edge Any mention of how the left wing situation might be expected to resolve? Kreider to the 3rd line? Laf on the 3rd? Kreider to RW, maybe dependent on if Buchnevich is traded?

 

[NYR Viper]

Brodin seems like a good target for the team, but I want NO PART of any player 1 year from UFA. Let’s ask this, would anyone sign h as a UFA next year? Say $5m x 5 years?

 

[Fitzy]

Rangers like Fast, but they aren't chasing him for anywhere close to what his market price is likely to be.

If he comes back, it's a major (damn near stupid) discount.

This is gonna be Fast's biggest contract so it would be stupid to take less than he could earn.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Eh, I'll play along.

Andersson and a third for Virtanen.

ADA and Buchnevich for Lindholm and Hanifin.

Hedge our bets by moving Georgiev and 22 if someone we like is there. If not, sit tight and pick 22nd. Take the gamble and grab Lapierre if he is there.

Buy time for Lundkvist to come over. Plug him into the lineup for the 2021-22 season.

I like everything about this. Just throw in a Georgiev trade and we’re golden.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Brodin seems like a good target for the team, but I want NO PART of any player 1 year from UFA. Let’s ask this, would anyone sign h as a UFA next year? Say $5m x 5 years?

No, he’s a placeholder.

 

[Krams]

I can see that, but the problem is that Fast isn't a costly player and whoever you're replacing him with is going to cost something, too, that isn't as likely to be as versatile as Fast is. He's not the guy that goes, IMHO.

Personally, Strome would probably be my odd guy out and sign some veteran - like a Brassard or player of that ilk and pray that ADA continues his production and then move him out at the deadline for a haul.

It's complicated and definitely not an easy off season for the NYR.

It's somewhat complicated I guess but the cap isn't new and any team that typically spends up to the ceiling has to do this song and dance occasionally. I think Fast is going to cost more than $2.5 unless he gives us a ridiculous hometown discount.. on the open market he's $3-3.5 minimum. If we move DeAngelo for a cheapish top-6 center like Lindholm, and explore our options with Smith, we can afford to let him go and find a 3rd line RW who may be younger for similar or less AAV. My sights are set on Virtanen.

 

[GAGLine]

Let's take your 17.39M:

ADA, long term deal, 5.5-6M
Strome, coming off 3.1M, long term is probably 4-5.5M. One year deal, arbitration, probably 5M.
Fast guessing 2.5M
Georgiev 1.5M
Lemieux 2M

Now, you've got 11 forwards, 6D, no spares and LAF (925K, up to 3.3M with bonuses).

ADA 5.5
Strome 5
Fast 2.5
Georgiev 1.5
Lemieux 2M
Laf .925M

17.425M - over your cap, no spare players, no bonuses (Kakko has a few, too)

Something has to give. And, this is why the Shattenkirk fiasco hurts us so badly.

Uncle Larry has DeAngelo as the odd man out with a spare part or Brendan Smith taking his place. I can see that. But I can't see the scenario where all of these players return next season and this is why our past nonsense is biting us in the ass.

When Shattenkirk was bought out, management couldn't predict that a global pandemic would cause the cap not to go up, and that we would win the 1st overall pick and have to give that player full bonuses. Earlier in the year they were talking about the cap going up by as much as 4 mil.

 

[NYR Viper]

No, he’s a placeholder.

If that’s the case then I’d rather use those assets plus others to get a more long term piece

 

[Edge]

I like the first two deals. I’d be hopeful they’d move Georgiev for a 2nd rounder, maybe grab Greig there

It's possible he's moved for a second, though I don't think Greig will be there. My own feelings aside, I think he's going in the 20s.

I have to tell you, I really think he's a top candidate for the Rangers at 22 depending on how the board plays out. And I strongly suspect that his ranking on McKenzie's list was due at at least in part to feedback from the Rangers.

Obviously it's really hard to get a definite "this is the guy" confirmation before the draft, but I think Greig is near the top of their list for that pick.

 

[egelband]

I think I remember reports that Thorton was really upset when SJS didn't trade him to a contender at the deadline, so he might take it into his own hands this time around

Don’t want him. For whatever that’s worth. I’d rather a different type of player for bottom six C.