Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

[LiveLongandProspal]

Trevor van Riemsdyk would be a really good signing, but he probably is going to want a bit more than what we're willing to pay for a 3RD.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

All the people crapping on me for saying Deangelo probably had to be traded are now making trades for him haha. Funny stuff.

 

[haohmaru]

Not sure why you are absolutely convinced he won't retire, but assuming he is bought out that makes it $17.39M. I am hopeful we can retain the full lot of RFAs for $14m. If DeAngelo and Strome are demanding or awarded $11m+ combined, then you explore the trade market more actively. Fast is probably the odd-man out, unless you can find someone to take Smith @ 50%, which isn't too far fetched given his versatility and that he is an expiring contract. Could buy him out as well if nothing materializes.

It's tight, but there are probably ~10 teams that are in worse shape right now.

Let's take your 17.39M:

ADA, long term deal, 5.5-6M
Strome, coming off 3.1M, long term is probably 4-5.5M. One year deal, arbitration, probably 5M.
Fast guessing 2.5M
Georgiev 1.5M
Lemieux 2M

Now, you've got 11 forwards, 6D, no spares and LAF (925K, up to 3.3M with bonuses).

ADA 5.5
Strome 5
Fast 2.5
Georgiev 1.5
Lemieux 2M
Laf .925M

17.425M - over your cap, no spare players, no bonuses (Kakko has a few, too)

Something has to give. And, this is why the Shattenkirk fiasco hurts us so badly.

Uncle Larry has DeAngelo as the odd man out with a spare part or Brendan Smith taking his place. I can see that. But I can't see the scenario where all of these players return next season and this is why our past nonsense is biting us in the ass.

 

[Kovalev27]

Trading DeAngelo, moving Smith to RD and Reunanen coming up would be a possibility. I know not everyone thinks Reunanen is ready but this front office might.

Reunanen-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-Smith

this is what I’d expect if they did move DeAngelo Smith would move to the right side. Reunanen isn’t going to play with Trouba though. Be surprised if he made the team

 

[Edge]

All the people crapping on me for saying Deangelo probably had to be traded are now making trades for him haha. Funny stuff.

Well I would disagree with the "had/has" part.

He could be traded. But I don't get any sense of certainty in Uncle Larry's premise, nor in any conversation I've had with people.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Miller was invited to camp to guage if he could play, i believe they came away thinking he can and if/when deangelo gets moved he will be slotted beside either fox or Trouba.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well I would disagree with the "had/has" part.

He could be traded. But I don't get any sense of certainty in Uncle Larry's premise, nor in any conversation I've had with people.

Thats fine but the same people jumping down my throat for suggesting it could happen are moving him for everyone in the NHL now.

 

[QJL]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko
Kreider - Dvorak - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Barron - Fast
Howden - Gauthier

Brodin - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Nutivaara - Bogosian
Smith

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

Replace the bottom pairing with Miller and Lundkvist the following year. Start winning cups...

 

[egelband]

Strome has every motivation to stay in NY and have another season to solidify his career going forward. If he's willing to give a discount on a short deal for the Rangers one cap crunch year, then it's pointless at this point to be trading for Danault or other center that will need deals and won't be inclined to give discounts on $ or term compared to Strome.

I think everyone is happy to keep Strome for next season or even a couple more seasons. My thinking, and I’m surely not alone, is that Strome is probably not a long-term answer at the cost he’ll command. So if you’re the Rangers you keep your ears open for offers. And maybe even be a bit pro-active.

 

[Leetch3]

Trevor van Riemsdyk would be a really good signing, but he probably is going to want a bit more than what we're willing to pay for a 3RD.

we'd only be interested if ADA gets moved so the $$ part might be ok. The problem might be term. we'd want him on a 2 year deal to expose him in the expansion draft. at his age he might be hoping for a longer deal somewhere

 

[Harbour Dog]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko
Kreider - Dvorak - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Barron - Fast
Howden - Gauthier

Brodin - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Nutivaara - Bogosian
Smith

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

Replace the bottom pairing with Miller and Lundkvist the following year. Start winning cups...

@bernmeister you gonna let this guy get away with this?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

All the people crapping on me for saying Deangelo probably had to be traded are now making trades for him haha. Funny stuff.

You were crapped on for your horrible evaluations of him.

Most of us have acknowledged that he could be moved.

 

[Edge]

Thats fine but the same people jumping down my throat for suggesting it could happen are moving him for everyone in the NHL now.

Unfortunately, that's been a challenge for a while now and why I kept trying to drop hints like "ADA, Trouba, Lundkvist and Fox are not going to occupy the same defense at the same time for very long, if at all."

The odd man out was always likely to be ADA or Lundkvist. But the latter has hit a new level as a prospect, and when you combine that with an ELC contract hit, I just think he's off the table at this point.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

New plan:

DeAngelo for Lindholm

22 overall + Jones for Brodin

Kravtsov + Hajek + 2021 2nd for Dvorak

Strome for Nutivaara + 2021 2nd

Geoergiev to Detroit for 2020 2nd

Fast - $3.5m x 2 years

Bogosian - $2m x 1 year
.

I don’t make any of those moves.

 

[Irishguy42]

Also I wonder who tipped Larry off about the Lundkvist signing deadline angle

No one has brought it up here, and let’s be real Larry isn’t scouring capfriendly for this type of information himself

Certainly wasn't the same person who chose to put a picture of Kjellberg instead, that's for sure.

 

[Edge]

Miller was invited to camp to guage if he could play, i believe they came away thinking he can and if/when deangelo gets moved he will be slotted beside either fox or Trouba.

As of today, they are still in wait and see mode with Miller.

They think he has the physical tools for the NHL already, but there's belief the overall product likely needs fine tuning. I don't think they're eyeing him next to Fox or Trouba quite yet.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You were crapped on for your horrible evaluations of him.

Most of us have acknowledged that he could be moved.

My evaluations have lead to a memorial cup and an Allan cup so forgive me if i rightly equate your opinion to a pile of donkey doo.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Unfortunately, that's been a challenge for a while now and why I kept trying to drop hints like "ADA, Trouba, Lundkvist and Fox are not going to occupy the same defense at the same time for very long, if at all."

The odd man out was always likely to be ADA or Lundkvist. But the latter has hit a new level as a prospect, and when you combine that with an ELC contract hit, I just don't think he's off the table at this point.

Exactly, ofcourse suggesting it is like punching someone in the mouth.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well I would disagree with the "had/has" part.

He could be traded. But I don't get any sense of certainty in Uncle Larry's premise, nor in any conversation I've had with people.

Larry said this

the hierarchy will seek/is seeking to use DeAngelo in order to address a long-term solution to their second center spot. It is not as if the Rangers would be unable to live next season with Ryan Strome doing a reprise of his role, but the impending restricted free agent center with arbitration rights is just a year away from being eligible to hit the open market. A long-term arrangement is not likely. Hence, the Rangers are open for business.

Thats a pretty strong statement. Doesn't mean he's right (and the FO could have leaked this due to contract negotiations not going great) but he sounds pretty sure that this is going to happen.

 

[Edge]

this is what I’d expect if they did move DeAngelo Smith would move to the right side. Reunanen isn’t going to play with Trouba though. Be surprised if he made the team

To this point, I think even if Reunanen doesn't make the club, the Rangers are probably going to pursue some options if they feel someone could help the club now and over the long-haul.

I think that's where Dunn holds interest to them especially. In his case, I think they'd be willing to send some very good pieces back the other way.

If they can't make it happen, you still have a mix of Miller, Robertson, Reunanen battling for that spot and possibly getting some looks (though Robertson is probably heading back to juniors in light of the situation).

Either way, I think Smith is probably someone they'd like to at least start the season with.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My evaluations have lead to a memorial cup and an Allen cup so forgive me if i rightly equate your opinion to a pile of donkey doo.

Yeah and my evaluations have led to 4 Stanley cups, 5 world series rings, a successful trip to the moon and finding a tear in the space time continuum.

 

[Krams]

Let's take your 17.39M:

ADA, long term deal, 5.5-6M
Strome, coming off 3.1M, long term is probably 4-5.5M. One year deal, arbitration, probably 5M.
Fast guessing 2.5M
Georgiev 1.5M
Lemieux 2M

Now, you've got 11 forwards, 6D, no spares and LAF (925K, up to 3.3M with bonuses).

ADA 5.5
Strome 5
Fast 2.5
Georgiev 1.5
Lemieux 2M
Laf .925M

17.425M - over your cap, no spare players, no bonuses (Kakko has a few, too)

Something has to give. And, this is why the Shattenkirk fiasco hurts us so badly.

Uncle Larry has DeAngelo as the odd man out with a spare part or Brendan Smith taking his place. I can see that. But I can't see the scenario where all of these players return next season and this is why our past nonsense is biting us in the ass.

As I said, Fast is likely not re-signed unless Smith is traded. I am envisioning more in the range of $1.5M for Lemieux. If ADA/Stome total $11M, then you explore a trade for one or both. And you get back significant value -- it would be for flexibility, not because we have no other choice. There are so many options to make this work.

If we are near the ceiling and at the trade deadline and it looks like Lafreniere might be producing enough to earn his performance bonuses putting us over, then you make a move at the deadline to free up space. That would be a great problem to have.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yeah and my evaluations have led to 4 Stanley cups, 5 world series rings, a successful trip to the moon and finding a tear in the space time continuum.

Good for you.

 

[Edge]

Larry said this



Thats a pretty strong statement. Doesn't mean he's right (and the FO could have leaked this due to contract negotiations not going great) but he sounds pretty sure that this is going to happen.

I am going to venture a guess that this is also a public reminder to teams like Calgary (and others).

"Hey, we know you like the guy we're asking about. But we're willing to give you young, tangible NHL talent. We're not selling you just prospects and picks."

And, quite possibly, it's a way to see if someone calls and is willing to talk about players they like as much as Lindholm (I don't have any specific names, I'm just laying out a concept).

 

[egelband]

One added benefit of moving DeAngelo now is that it would allow the Rangers to go all out and add a defenseman who would require expansion draft protection to play next to Trouba.

It certainly makes sense and it would end up being elite asset management. But I don’t want to move ADA. I think he’s going to continue to be excellent and burn us down the line. I don’t want another Dykstra for Samuel type deal, you know? That’s how I feel about ADA. Rangers might be overthinking it. But anyhow, it is what it is.