Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

[Ghost of jas]

Just as a side note, three of the four players taken right before the Rangers took Halverson were Montour at 54, Donato at 55 and Dvorak at 57.

 

[jay from jersey]

Just as a side note, three of the four players taken right before the Rangers took Halverson were Montour at 54, Donato at 55 and Dvorak at 57.

Yuck

 

[Edge]

To me. it's where you draft them. 4th round or later is ideal to me.

Personally, I can live with the third round for the right goalie prospect.

For example, I'd have no problem taking Blomqvist in the third this year.

But anything in the top 62, unless you're talking about an Askarov-type prospect, is just not my thing.

Generally speaking, I lean toward forwards and offensive talent in the early first. There are exceptions to that, and it really depends on the draft, but that's a broad rule of thumb for me.

The late first round, and more often than not the second and third rounds are where I like to find steady defensive help. As we move to the third and fourth, I try to keep an eye out for an intriguing goalie prospect.

When you start getting to the fifth and beyond is where I like to find projects or "fill in the gap types" for the organization.

 

[Trxjw]

Let's say Virtanen can be had for Andersson and a third.

I'd actually be fairly okay if the former found consistency in his game and settled in as third line RW who occassionally slides up in the lineup and pops in 15-20 goals, and 30-40 points.

So for me, I don't know if he even has "take off" necessarily. I'd be happy if he found his niche and some consistency with it.

I know that's a way more serious answer than you were looking for. Just humor me.

I'm actively avoiding spending my Friday afternoon doing code reviews. I hold no judgement.

I like the potential for that price tag. Even if the Rangers bridged him for 2 years in the hopes that Gauthier could step into that role on a cheaper rate it still makes some sense.

It's fun to turn it into a joke but that doesn't mean it's an outlandish idea either. He has a useful skillset and it's one that the Rangers are lacking in their top-9 outside of Kreider.

 

[True Blue]

It's fun to turn it into a joke but that doesn't mean it's an outlandish idea either. He has a useful skillset and it's one that the Rangers are lacking in their top-9 outside of Kreider.

He would certainly fill and instant need and be the type of diversification that is being looked at.

Gauthier is a bit of a mystery. But I suspect that the team is arriving at a point where some players will need to show something or get passed by others. Including those that may not be on the team yet.

 

[Polar Bear]

@Edge You said you expect to hear some new information regarding the team this weekend, right?

 

[Trxjw]

He would certainly fill and instant need and be the type of diversification that is being looked at.

Gauthier is a bit of a mystery. But I suspect that the team is arriving at a point where some players will need to show something or get passed by others. Including those that may not be on the team yet.

I think that's true but on the flip side it can also provide a little bit more of a cushion for those players to get comfortable. Less of a need for Gauthier to take a big step forward next year when Virtanen can fill that role for a year or two. Less pressure on Kravtsov to jump into the NHL because there's a bunch of RWs ahead of him. It sort of settles the pieces into a better line the same way adding Lafreniere settles things on the left-side.

I might have a more optimistic view of Gauthier than the Rangers do but he seems like a strange guy to target for just a 4th line player. I think they see more upside than that.

 

[Edge]

@Edge You said you expect to hear some new information regarding the team this weekend, right?

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

 

[Edge]

I think that's true but on the flip side it can also provide a little bit more of a cushion for those players to get comfortable. Less of a need for Gauthier to take a big step forward next year when Virtanen can fill that role for a year or two. Less pressure on Kravtsov to jump into the NHL because there's a bunch of RWs ahead of him. It sort of settles the pieces into a better line the same way adding Lafreniere settles things on the left-side.

I might have a more optimistic view of Gauthier than the Rangers do but he seems like a strange guy to target for just a 4th line player. I think they see more upside than that.

I'm actively avoiding spending my Friday afternoon doing code reviews. I hold no judgement.

I like the potential for that price tag. Even if the Rangers bridged him for 2 years in the hopes that Gauthier could step into that role on a cheaper rate it still makes some sense.

It's fun to turn it into a joke but that doesn't mean it's an outlandish idea either. He has a useful skillset and it's one that the Rangers are lacking in their top-9 outside of Kreider.

Which is important remember. Not every trade or signing is a forever move. Sometimes I think we like to write everyone into the lineup for five years and we lose sight of the fact that some guys will help bridge the gap from point A to point B and only be with us for a relatively short period of time. With the exception of guys who really establish themselves as core players, the number of guys coming and going will typically outpace by the number of guys staying over a multi-year window.

 

[Leetch3]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

hand them a questionaire that they can fill out and email back to you when they have time for any questions you can't cover LOL

 

[Crease]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

Ask Jeff about the goaltending situation. Ask Chris about his pizza business.

 

[Leetch3]

Ask Jeff about the goaltending situation. Ask Chris about his pizza business.

I swear to god if you ruin Chris' weekend with @Edge

 

[Edge]

hand them a questionaire that they can fill out and email back to you when they have time for any questions you can't cover LOL

LOL. Trust me, there are times I wish I could just do a Zoom call and give people the information to join.

 

[Polar Bear]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

Enjoy the food and company!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

Wheres my invite?

 

[Crease]

LOL. Trust me, there are times I wish I could just do a Zoom call and give people the information join.

@bernmeister would hijack the microphone and spend the entire 40 minutes lambasting the invitees about Boo Nieves.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

How dare you not sacrifice friendships for the sake of the board!






But seriously, I know a guy who can hook you up with some sodium pentathol. Just let me know...

 

[Fitzy]

Just as a side note, three of the four players taken right before the Rangers took Halverson were Montour at 54, Donato at 55 and Dvorak at 57.

I kind of want to do a poll at some point for worst 2nd round goalie pick of the cap era.

Lafleur, Halverson, and Lindbom are all really viable candidates.

 

[Trxjw]

Which is important remember. Not every trade or signing is a forever move. Sometimes I think we like to write everyone into the lineup for five years and we lose sight of the fact that some guys will help bridge the gap from point A to point B and only be with us for a relatively short period of time. With the exception of guys who really establish themselves as core players, the number of guys coming and going will typically outpace by the number of guys staying over a multi-year window.

Precisely. The team can be better in the short term while also bridging the gap until the "next guy" is ready. This is going to be an adjustment era for the fans as well. Once guys like Lafreniere and Kakko get their big contracts, we're going to see a pretty steady churn year-to-year as guys come in and get priced out. With any luck we'll have more DeAngelo-dilemmas on our hands for the next 8-10 years.

That's also a reason I don't think there will be this mad scramble to start dealing futures over the next 24 months to shore up weaknesses on the team. We'll need that steady pipeline of quality players to supplement our stars.

 

[Edge]

Precisely. The team can be better in the short term while also bridging the gap until the "next guy" is ready. This is going to be an adjustment era for the fans as well. Once guys like Lafreniere and Kakko get their big contracts, we're going to see a pretty steady churn year-to-year as guys come in and get priced out. With any luck we'll have more DeAngelo-dilemmas on our hands for the next 8-10 years.

That's also a reason I don't think there will be this mad scramble to start dealing futures over the next 24 months to shore up weaknesses on the team. We'll need that steady pipeline of quality players to supplement our stars.

With the exception of deadline moves when this team is truly in it's window, I agree and think dealing future's en masse is a little ways off. And even then, I expect it to be calculated.

As you said, the NHL is built upon having your core players and then being able to cycle out the talent surrounding them.

Sometimes that means drafting well and getting those ELCs that provide value, and sometimes that means moving guys due for a payday and bringing in younger/cheaper talent.

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's an interesting thought. Vegas, with 11 forwards, 6 defensemen and 1 goalie under contract have ~$4.5m in cap space. I think, ideally, they'd improve their defense and goaltending this off-season, whether that is Lehner or someone else. Reaves just signed an extension for 2 years @ $1.75m per season but it's possible they look to shed a bit of cap space to make room for other moves. That team is clearly competing now.

Tomas Nosek is a UFA. 15 points n 67 games at LW.

Say it costs a 3rd rounder to acquire Reaves as a RW.

Both guys are very good possession players and play a hard, grinding style. 53.3 and 54.4 Corsi for each and they normally play together on the same line. What about adding both guys if, say, someone like Lemieux is used to move up in the draft? Nosek at 2 years to match Reaves' contract.

Ideally honestly, a deal of Buch + Lemieux for Lindholm or Dvorak would complete the forward group pretty well.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Paarin-Lindholm/Dvorak-Strome
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Nosek-Howden-Reaves

 

[Trxjw]

With the exception of deadline moves when this team is truly in it's window, I agree and think dealing future's en masse is a little ways off. And even then, I expect it to be calculated.

As you said, the NHL is built upon having your core players and then being able to cycle out the talent surrounding them.

Sometimes that means drafting well and getting those ELCs that provide value, and sometimes that means moving guys due for a payday and bringing in younger/cheaper talent.

Even though it pains me to say it given that I live in the city and have to put up with their crap, I'm hopeful that Gorton can manage an extended period of success like Pittsburgh has had. Granted I don't see Lafreniere and Kakko on a level of Crosby and Malkin, but they've done a tremendous job over the years of finding a good mix of pieces to surround their stars with and have sustained a remarkable level of success. Rutherford's recent desperation aside, they've done a respectable job of holding onto picks and prospects unless they were making big but calculated swings at the deadline.

It's an exciting time to be a Rangers fan.

 

[RGY]

I have a few people who are coming to visit me in PA to get away from NY and their cities.

Time will be spent together. Wine will be plentiful. Discussions will take place. I'm actually meeting one of them early in about 2 hours.

I say this with caveat that I will not be grilling them for hours with questions, and anything pre-draft is a subject to some level of confidentiality. And even then, I only get partial puzzle pieces prior to the draft.

Lots and Lots of wine to get that info out of them

 

[NYR Viper]

Lots and Lots of wine to get that info out of them

We should all donate to a GoFundMe for @Edge's party weekend...

 

[Edge]

We should all donate to a GoFundMe for @Edge's party weekend...