Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIII
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GeorgeKaplan
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I can see them wanting him back, he has been an important player to the team and can still be one, but whether they actually find something that works for both sides remains to be seen.
But with that said this can be the thing where the Rangers don't talk to the players agent until the day before they trade/get rid of them kind of thing
n8
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lol, he's not getting $4M with no cap increase.
No more than 2 years, $3M
I'm happy if he's the guy we expose to Seattle.
Edge
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Do the Rangers want him back? Yes, of that I have no doubt.
Do the Rangers want to pay him close to $4 million? No, I do not believe so.
Is there a compromise to be reached? Maybe. But I have a hard time seeing the Rangers going above $3 million.
Do the Rangers want to pay him close to $4 million? No, I do not believe so.
Is there a compromise to be reached? Maybe. But I have a hard time seeing the Rangers going above $3 million.
SA16
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Ty Jost? I don’t know what we could come away with but they are desperate for a stable goaltending situation. Jost would be a small price to pay for a 24 year old goalie with RFA status and still may have some room to develop his game even more. Sure it’s a risk he never becomes a true #1, but every move is a risk.
Shesterkybomb
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You deal with it when it presents itself, you don't overload a spot on the roster only to find out you don't need those guys. I like Trouba but had we waited a year we probably wouldn't have taken him on and maybe used that space for something else since we have fox deangelo and lindqvist and had Keane.
He is an excellent bottom 6 forward who does all the little things. Well liked in the room, coaches wet dream. His true value is PK and in case of an injury, he can play on the top 2 lines for 3-4 games or so. Guys like that are very important throughout the rigors of an 82 game schedule. However, I doubt anything above 3 mill flat or he is playing somewhere else. Fact is, he does not want to leave and was ecstatic he wasn’t moved at the deadline. I would love a 4th line of Lemieux Girgensons Fast. They would be relentless and a real pain in the ass to play against.
bbny
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Something around MacKinnon gets Colorado to the table.
Those extra guys become trade chips like Keane was and one of DeAngelo or Lundkvist will be.
Shesterkybomb
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He'd never have gotten the same kind of opportunity and I'll also be honest in that Kakko did fall off towards the later parts of the tourney as he seemed to wear down/other teams keyed on him more, etc.
Lafreniere would never get top six minutes with the kind of depth Canada can call on.
He's more talented, more highly regarded, will be better rested than Kakko was, and most importantly, is used to the NA style of play that gave Kakko a REALLY damn hard time as he tried to adjust to it.
I'm not gonna make big predictions about amazing rookie years or anything but I think he will definitely have a better rookie year than Kakko
I do think Laf is going to have more immediate success. I don’t see him as some generational franchise player, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him have more of a Taylor Hall rookie year than a Hughes/Kakko rookie year.
NYRangers16
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Just because Dvorak may be available under new management doesn't mean it will be easy to get him regardless
Trades that are bigger than just your run-of-the-mill shuffles will be even more meticulous this offseason due to the shortened offseason, no cap increase, flat cap projection in coming years, and looming expansion draft.
So, a trade for Dvorak would very likely have to be a trade where we know we are losing on overall value.
Basically, where Gorton says "hey, I know we are losing this trade, but it is one that we want to make because we get the best piece in the deal"
Trades that are bigger than just your run-of-the-mill shuffles will be even more meticulous this offseason due to the shortened offseason, no cap increase, flat cap projection in coming years, and looming expansion draft.
So, a trade for Dvorak would very likely have to be a trade where we know we are losing on overall value.
Basically, where Gorton says "hey, I know we are losing this trade, but it is one that we want to make because we get the best piece in the deal"
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You make a first impression being all spit n' vinegar, and it seems all you want to do is tell others that your opinion is what is right about the team, and your opinion is about management incompetence, player's you don't like, etc.
It doesn't help when most of what you've posted has seemed outlandish to me
Not sure why you are so taken aback when someone just responded how anyone normally would if you were a fan spoutin' off in a fan bar like that
Good points!
Against that I would maybe just mention that Laf don’t have any experience from pro hockey. But honestly, I don’t think that is as big of an issue as it used to be for most players. Today’s 18-20 y/o are also very well trained. For PF type forwards man-handling Ds in juniors it’s one thing and can be a lot harder, but for the rest it’s no big issue.
It’s a bit OT, but I’ve definitely noticed a bit of a significant switch here. I’ve over the years seen a few games between the Swe U20 team and pro teams. It used to be that the junior side of course could accomplish thing with enthusiasm and skill, but the Allsvenskan/div 1 team always like had control of the play. Like just from having more patience and experience, and winning more 1-1 battles. But when the Swe U20 played a Allsvenskan and a div 1 team the other team they were just better all over. Juniors today have definitely pushed forward their capacity at that age.
Ultimately I think that I am just afraid to be disappointed.
JC704
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IMO, the Rangers have so many extra chips, at some point they need to push a few in and make a logical hockey trade or two. Dvorak to me fills a GLARING need (faceoffs), while also being 24-years old, the same age as our core group coming up, and has a generous cap hit of $4.4 million for the next six seasons. In a hard salary cap world, now with the flat cap looming over teams, his AAV alone makes him worth the extra price. He is also the kind of player who is not done developing. Dvorak may very well end up as a legitimate 2C for the duration of his prime.
To me, it's a no brainer. If you can get Ryan Strome locked in anywhere between $4.5-5.5 million, and then go out and make a move for Dvorak, not many teams in the NHL can boast a better 1-2-3 than Zibanejad-Strome-Dvorak that is also locked in for the next few years. Also, when the issue of Zibanejad's raise ultimately comes up, you don't nearly have as much money tied up into center as other teams do, so if he asks for $9-10 million -- assuming he checks all the boxes between now and then -- to me it is a no-brainer. You give the going rate to a guy with his talent, but you're not necessarily overpaying for the entirety of the organization's depth as a whole.
In that hypothetical scenario, if the organization can develop another C, then you have the option of moving Strome to wing, which he has done before, or simply trade him to the highest bidder. I don't think the Rangers front office will be bulldozed by him in negotiations. I believe he will stay, they will get a good term and price for both sides, which ultimately makes him moveable later.
I think Buch + Howden or Carolina's first-round pick is a very fair starting point. While I am a huge fan of Kravtsov and believe he could play C at the NHL level, I would ultimately be willing to put him in a trade like this because you have to give to get.
Georgiev to Colorado
This (Colorado’s goaltending situation) does annoy me a bit lol (since we got a goalie to sell).
Why? Think about it — any GM and coach get a total pass for who they put in the net lol. If you ice a team that can’t score or can’t play defense — it will to a large extent go on the coach/GM. Especially if it’s a team that is supposed to go deep. But if a team put all resources into their skaters and is default between the pipes — nothing ever gets sticked on the coach/GM.
That is a team that — from my POV — were idiotic not taking care of their glaring hole between the pipes.
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