Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIII

[GAGLine]

whats his criteria/cutoff? is it only non-nhl prospects?

This year’s organizational ranking will be different than previous years. First, it is occurring before the NHL Draft and not after, although I will make an updated version following the draft.
Second, this year’s version will have full evaluations with tool grades of all players in an organization who are 22 years old or younger as of Sept. 15, 2020, regardless of how many NHL games they’ve played, to go along with the rest of the players in the pipeline.
It will not include skaters older than 22 as of Sept. 15, 2020, who have played 25 NHL games in a season or 50 career games; goalies with 10 games in a season or 25 in a career; nor any player age 26 or older as of Sept. 15, 2020.

His top 3 for Arizona are Hayton, Chychrun and Keller.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Pornman released his 12th(Calgary) and 11th(Arizona) ranked teams today in his organizational breakdown. Rangers are top 10 as expected but I wonder if he would consider us top 5? Vancouver has to be #1, Buffalo, Toronto, Carolina, and Colorado must be in the mix. Maybe we can sneak in at 5? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z.

TBF, I'll be shocked if we're not top 5.

He's counting anyone 26 or younger who hasn't played 25 NHL games in a season/50 career games (10/25 for goalies) plus everyone 22 or younger as of 9/15/20. So, the Rangers' list will include:

Forwards:
Kakko
Chytil
Kravtsov
Gauthier
Howden
Barron
Andersson
Henriksson
Pajuniemi
Richards
Khodorenko

Defensemen:
Fox
Miller
Lundkvist
Lindgren
Hájek
Robertson
Reunanen
Jones
Skinner

Goalies:
Huska
Wall
Lindbom

And when he revises post draft, as he's promised, I'll be shocked if we're not #1.

Which is saying something given that his cutoffs wind up with Matthews juuust barely (2 days) included, and Shesterkin juuust barely (2 GP) excluded.

 

[Tawnos]

Well thats what we are doing, bridging the gap. Are you under the illusion that we are a cup contender by adding a LD? We aren't. Staal and smith can play and let their contracts run out, and we can insert Miller and Hajek from time to time for experience and the following year we start the march with our home grown d if they are deemed good enough. Lindgren will have 2 full seasons in by then.

Next year's goal isn't contention, it's making the playoffs. And I don't think we have a good chance of that if we don't have 2 top-4 capable LD.

 

[aufheben]

Pornman released his 12th(Calgary) and 11th(Arizona) ranked teams today in his organizational breakdown. Rangers are top 10 as expected but I wonder if he would consider us top 5? Vancouver has to be #1, Buffalo, Toronto, Carolina, and Colorado must be in the mix. Maybe we can sneak in at 5? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z.

How the f*** are Calgary, Arizona, and Buffalo that high?

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Now looking at players today they guy I forgot about that I think the Rangers should absolutely acquire is Dvorak from Arizona. Teams have a trading history together. He's 24. The Yotes are probably the worst team in hockey in developing the offense of their young players. He's excellent on faceoffs and he has the offensive skill to play a Panarin and breakout here big time. The time is perfect to steal him. I have no problem giving up Kravtsov for him. I think there is an excellent chance Dvorak is the second center we so badly need and will flourish here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Next year's goal isn't contention, it's making the playoffs. And I don't think we have a good chance of that if we don't have 2 top-4 capable LD.

I think had we had Shesterkin in all year we would have cruised to a playoff spot. Adding Lafreniere, possibly Barron and with an already improved Kakko i don't see why not. Also, Smith and Trouba were good once Skjei left, Lindgren and Fox were good all year and the only iffy spot in the 3rd pair LD, add in Miller and Hajek from time to time and i think we should make playoffs providing Shesterkin is healthy. To add cap space at this point and possibly block Miller and Hajek from ice time isnt what i think we should be doing. People have thrown Hajek away but i just think he needs more time in the nhl.

 

[GAGLine]

How the f*** are Calgary, Arizona, and Buffalo that high?

I thought maybe Eichel would be in there, but he's 23. He's probably weighting NHL play pretty heavily.

 

[NYR Viper]

Next year's goal isn't contention, it's making the playoffs. And I don't think we have a good chance of that if we don't have 2 top-4 capable LD.

This I'll agree with barring someone taking a big leap forward OR ADA moving to the left. I'm hopeful Hajek can come in and keep it simple to be that 3rd pairing LD the team needs. We all saw his first 5-8 games where he was able to use his skating to put himself in good spots. The talent is there, he just needs to slow the game down a bit and keep it simple

 

[aufheben]

I thought maybe Eichel would be in there, but he's 23. He's probably weighting NHL play pretty heavily.

Pronman’s prospect grading system is also completely absurd.

 

[kovazub94]

Well thats what we are doing, bridging the gap. Are you under the illusion that we are a cup contender by adding a LD? We aren't. Staal and smith can play and let their contracts run out, and we can insert Miller and Hajek from time to time for experience and the following year we start the march with our home grown d if they are deemed good enough. Lindgren will have 2 full seasons in by then.

Not at all what @Tawnos says. There’s no guarantee that either, let alone BOTH of these guys will full realize their projections. If this is the case - great - but counting on it without hedging your bet could be a bad business.

 

[GAGLine]

Pronman’s prospect grading system is also completely absurd.

I don't mind it. It's similar to what many people do with the draft, separating players into tiers.

 

[Tawnos]

I think had we had Shesterkin in all year we would have cruised to a playoff spot. Adding Lafreniere, possibly Barron and with an already improved Kakko i don't see why not. Also, Smith and Trouba were good once Skjei left, Lindgren and Fox were good all year and the only iffy spot in the 3rd pair LD, add in Miller and Hajek from time to time and i think we should make playoffs providing Shesterkin is healthy. To add vap space at this point and possibly block Miller and Hajek from ice time isnt what i think we should be doing.

No pairing with Smith on it has been good in 3 years. Better than expected? A little, but Brendan Smith has a penchant for taking absolutely idiotic penalties at the worst possible times. I mean, he took two in the Carolina series alone (when tied 1-1 in both games two and three). He's not a guy you want playing top-4 minutes and he's especially not a guy you want consistently taking the matchups we expect Trouba to be handling. Edit: by the way, Smith seemed to have improved on that. Last year, when he spent most of the season at forward, he only had 13 minors, which was 10th most on the team. The year before, he had 23, which was the most on the team. The year before that, he had 22... in only 44 games... which also was the most on the team despite only being a half-season worth of games.

Our problem with those guys on the defense is going to be... well, defense. Lafrenière and an improved Kakko aren't really going to help us there. Not sure why you brought them up. Frankly, there's not really that much room for improvement in team offense. We were 5th last season and 0.14 goals per game behind 1st. What I'm expecting from those two guys is to help balance out Panarin and Zibanejad, since I don't think we should rely on them matching what were career years. Maybe they will, but having some more offensive tools means we don't need them to.

It's possible Hajek steps up. Or Reunanen. Or Miller. I'm not discounting that possibility. I think the best situation for their development is to allow whichever rookie is in the lineup a little shelter, though. You have the goal of helping those guys develop, and stay competitive. You're not going to be able to do that without another quality LD on the team.

And please, let's not rely too hard on goaltending. If we get a stellar performance from Shesterkin, then great, but we should be focusing on putting out a good team in front of him. I don't want us to go overboard in doing so, but it's something I think needs addressing.

 

[Leetch3]

I am also curious how he views system vs. drafting.

For example, Colorado has an impressive system/cupboard because they picked up some great young talent with lottery picks. But anything outside of the first round has essentially been non-existent for a while now. It's simply a matter of stockpiling top end prospects enough times.

its definitely an interesting argument. its one thing to stock pile talent with high picks but its the teams that can find players in the late 1st and beyond that are most successful and have sustained success cause thats were you pick when you are good...but I don't he factors that into his system ranks. its just who has the best prospects are regardless of how they were acquired and we all know that former 1st round picks and high picks get extra weight deserved or not.

 

[kovazub94]

TBF, I'll be shocked if we're not top 5.

He's counting anyone 26 or younger who hasn't played 25 NHL games in a season/50 career games (10/25 for goalies) plus everyone 22 or younger as of 9/15/20. So, the Rangers' list will include:

Chytil
Kravtsov
Gauthier
Howden
Barron
Andersson
Henriksson
Pajuniemi
Richards
Khodorenko

Defensemen:
Fox
Miller
Lundkvist
Lindgren
Hájek
Robertson
Reunanen
Jones
Skinner

Goalies:
Huska
Wall
Lindbom

And when he revises post draft, as he's promised, I'll be shocked if we're not #1.

Which is saying something given that his cutoffs wind up with Matthews juuust barely (2 days) included, and Shesterkin juuust barely (2 GP) excluded.

He discounts depth in the form of lower picks pretty heavily so it’s essentially

Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Howden and Gauthier

Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Lundkvist

which is still pretty great!

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

whats his criteria/cutoff? is it only non-nhl prospects?

Its prospects plus roster players under the age of 23. So Matthews counts for Toronto.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Either way, pretty exciting to be sitting top 10 before the impact of a 1OA pick.

Yeah he said he’d release an update after the draft.

 

[Leetch3]

TBF, I'll be shocked if we're not top 5.

Which is saying something given that his cutoffs wind up with Matthews juuust barely (2 days) included, and Shesterkin juuust barely (2 GP) excluded.

Not really a fan of those cutoffs. Its not fair to just exclude NHLers and penalize teams who's best prospects get to the NHL quicker...but at the same time including Auston Matthews after 300 games played in the NHL (regular season & playoffs) in an organizational prospect ranking is pretty ridiculous. The line has to be drawn somewhere but there should be a games played limit regardless of age.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I thought maybe Eichel would be in there, but he's 23. He's probably weighting NHL play pretty heavily.

Dahlin

 

[kovazub94]

its definitely an interesting argument. its one thing to stock pile talent with high picks but its the teams that can find players in the late 1st and beyond that are most successful and have sustained success cause thats were you pick when you are good...but I don't he factors that into his system ranks. its just who has the best prospects are regardless of how they were acquired and we all know that former 1st round picks and high picks get extra weight deserved or not.

I don’t think he ranks front office work in building the prospect pool, rather simply its quality and depth of this quality regardless of how it was built.

 

[Leetch3]

He discounts depth in the form of lower picks pretty heavily so it’s essentially

Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Howden and Gauthier

Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Lundkvist

which is still pretty great!

are you saying that he has howden and gauthier as top 5 forwards simply cause they were 1st round picks?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

are you saying that he has howden and gauthier as top 5 forwards simply cause they were 1st round picks?

No they are eligible though .

 

[kovazub94]

are you saying that he has howden and gauthier as top 5 forwards simply cause they were 1st round picks?

And because they are in the NHL. I noticed this trend, maybe I’m wrong.

 

[Fitzy]

Next year's goal isn't contention, it's making the playoffs. And I don't think we have a good chance of that if we don't have 2 top-4 capable LD.

would take a Calder caliber season from Shesty, and he’d have to play a lot of games.

 

[GAGLine]

would take a Calder caliber season from Shesty, and he’d have to play a lot of games.

Has a team ever had 2 Calder nominees in the same year? The Rangers could legitimately do it.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Has a team ever had 2 Calder nominees in the same year? The Rangers could legitimately do it.

Rangers had Leetch and Granato nominated in the same year with Leetch winning, more recently Tyler Johnson and Palat for the Lightning were nominated and MacKinnon won. And Kane and Toews with Kane winning

Edit: going through the list, it's more common than I would've thought
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