Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LII
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LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
Florida requested to interview Drury for the GM job. NJ requested to interview Ruff for their HC job. Both were/are promotions.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
If he came in as an assistant, yes. If for some reason he came in as an associate, then it’s a promotion. It’s also a promotion he’s gotten before... in St Louis.
Not that I think it’ll happen, but it’s a minor distinction.
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Is that like Assistant Regional Manager and Assistant to the Regional Manager?
We do need more grit. The only truly “gritty” players on this team are Lindgren, Trouba and Lemieux. Fast to an extent but he’s likely gone. DeAngelo is more of a mix it up type but not really gritty in the course of play.
Krug, for instance is much “grittier” than a Fox or DeAngelo while still being an undersized puck mover. MacKinnon is “grittier” than Panarin or Zib, for a superstar offensive player. In my opinion, that’s largely because their teams have cultivated a top-to-bottom compete level and willingness to go out of that comfort zone into more physical play when the chips are down. We need that. We get that by adding a Boone Jenner or Sam Bennett on the third line, a Matt Calvert on the fourth. If you’re really lucky you land a Tkachuk, Wilson or even Landeskog or Benn for the top six. Another Lindgren type on D. Or a Gudas type. If you can find a balance where you have one guy who is looking to engage and play in the trenches on the ice virtually at all times because there’s 2-3 on defense and one at least 3/4 of your lines, it’s contagious. It changes the way the team plays.
We landed a bunch of talent recently. Laf, Kakko, Krav, Chytil all have a lot of talent. Panarin, Zib and even Strome have a lot of skill. Buch has skill. Everyone wants it to work where the guys we have just fit and we can slot them around until we find the magic combo because we have enough high caliber pieces. Of course that’s ideal. It’s also unrealistic. There isn’t room for all of these skill guys, in my opinion. 6-7 of the 8? Sure. But we’re currently looking unbalanced and the task now isn’t to continue acquiring talent but to start finding the right mix and determining which pieces are here for the long haul and which pieces should be shifted to bring other flavors into the mix. And capitalizing on their value; not moving them too early and regretting it when they breakout nor too late when the value diminishes.
How do you determine that with a guy like Chytil? He could break out any time in the next 1-3 years and become a 50-60 point top six staple. He could also keep teasing that potential and never reach it. Right now he’s still viewed as a young guy with high potential who has good value. In 2 years, if he hasn’t broken out, he’s probably looked at as a reclamation project on his way to becoming a bust. As good of a piece as Chytil is to have in your barn, is he NEEDED with all the other young talent you have? If you could turn him into Jenner or Bennett+ would that better benefit the team? Same assessments need to be made on guys like Buch and Kravstov.
Panarin, Zibanejad (vets), Kakko and Laf (kids) are the obvious MAIN forwards going forward. Kreider... if we knew we would end up with Laf we never would have given him the deal he got. It’s not bad to have him but we’re also sort of “stuck” with him as well. I think all of Buch, Krav, Chytil, Howden, Gauthier, etc. need to be assessed as pieces that can be translated into different pieces that bring a different element to the roster. Not all of them. You obviously like the group you have and don’t want massive turnover so I’m not talking about gutting the group. I think this is the time that’s really pivotal where you have to make some tough decisions on which one or two of that group goes to bring in your heart and soul, physical warrior, leadership types (obviously of commensurate value).
Again, I’m not suggesting we dramatically alter the group we have in place. And moving any of them would sting. I’ve come to love American, bearded Buch, have high hopes for Chytil and think Kravstov has tantalizing skill. But once we add Laf we have a 90+ point Panarin, a beast two-way 40 goal scorer Mika and the recent #1 and 2 OA picks. I think making a tough decision about 1 or 2 of these other guys to bring in guys who play a totally different style would inject something very needed into this lineup. We have skill and potential everywhere. RHD is stacked with more on the way. Wings are stacked with more on the way. LHD pipeline is beautiful. Very few, if any pieces in the pipeline promise to bring snarl and guts to the lineup though. Could you convert Chytil + Howden/Gauthier into Jenner + Anderson from Columbus and have a much tougher team to play against that still has a ton of offensive punch? Just musings.
For example, Anderson had an awful last season but has shown he can score. If you could go:
Panarin/Strome/Anderson
Kreider/Zib/Kakko
Laf/Jenner/Buch
You have Anderson for a physical guy to grind for pucks and be net front with Strome and Bread’s established chemistry. Kakko gets the benefit of playing top six with Kreider and Zib’s established chemistry and they’re both somewhat physical, responsible players. Buch is the type who follows the lead of a Jenner and increases his physicality and Laf, who is already somewhat greasy, learns alongside a tough as nails vet like Jenner. Moreover, that Laf/Jenner/Buch line has second line talent. That’s a deeper, tougher forward lineup. Lafreniere eventually slides up to Kreider’s spot.
Krug, for instance is much “grittier” than a Fox or DeAngelo while still being an undersized puck mover. MacKinnon is “grittier” than Panarin or Zib, for a superstar offensive player. In my opinion, that’s largely because their teams have cultivated a top-to-bottom compete level and willingness to go out of that comfort zone into more physical play when the chips are down. We need that. We get that by adding a Boone Jenner or Sam Bennett on the third line, a Matt Calvert on the fourth. If you’re really lucky you land a Tkachuk, Wilson or even Landeskog or Benn for the top six. Another Lindgren type on D. Or a Gudas type. If you can find a balance where you have one guy who is looking to engage and play in the trenches on the ice virtually at all times because there’s 2-3 on defense and one at least 3/4 of your lines, it’s contagious. It changes the way the team plays.
We landed a bunch of talent recently. Laf, Kakko, Krav, Chytil all have a lot of talent. Panarin, Zib and even Strome have a lot of skill. Buch has skill. Everyone wants it to work where the guys we have just fit and we can slot them around until we find the magic combo because we have enough high caliber pieces. Of course that’s ideal. It’s also unrealistic. There isn’t room for all of these skill guys, in my opinion. 6-7 of the 8? Sure. But we’re currently looking unbalanced and the task now isn’t to continue acquiring talent but to start finding the right mix and determining which pieces are here for the long haul and which pieces should be shifted to bring other flavors into the mix. And capitalizing on their value; not moving them too early and regretting it when they breakout nor too late when the value diminishes.
How do you determine that with a guy like Chytil? He could break out any time in the next 1-3 years and become a 50-60 point top six staple. He could also keep teasing that potential and never reach it. Right now he’s still viewed as a young guy with high potential who has good value. In 2 years, if he hasn’t broken out, he’s probably looked at as a reclamation project on his way to becoming a bust. As good of a piece as Chytil is to have in your barn, is he NEEDED with all the other young talent you have? If you could turn him into Jenner or Bennett+ would that better benefit the team? Same assessments need to be made on guys like Buch and Kravstov.
Panarin, Zibanejad (vets), Kakko and Laf (kids) are the obvious MAIN forwards going forward. Kreider... if we knew we would end up with Laf we never would have given him the deal he got. It’s not bad to have him but we’re also sort of “stuck” with him as well. I think all of Buch, Krav, Chytil, Howden, Gauthier, etc. need to be assessed as pieces that can be translated into different pieces that bring a different element to the roster. Not all of them. You obviously like the group you have and don’t want massive turnover so I’m not talking about gutting the group. I think this is the time that’s really pivotal where you have to make some tough decisions on which one or two of that group goes to bring in your heart and soul, physical warrior, leadership types (obviously of commensurate value).
Again, I’m not suggesting we dramatically alter the group we have in place. And moving any of them would sting. I’ve come to love American, bearded Buch, have high hopes for Chytil and think Kravstov has tantalizing skill. But once we add Laf we have a 90+ point Panarin, a beast two-way 40 goal scorer Mika and the recent #1 and 2 OA picks. I think making a tough decision about 1 or 2 of these other guys to bring in guys who play a totally different style would inject something very needed into this lineup. We have skill and potential everywhere. RHD is stacked with more on the way. Wings are stacked with more on the way. LHD pipeline is beautiful. Very few, if any pieces in the pipeline promise to bring snarl and guts to the lineup though. Could you convert Chytil + Howden/Gauthier into Jenner + Anderson from Columbus and have a much tougher team to play against that still has a ton of offensive punch? Just musings.
For example, Anderson had an awful last season but has shown he can score. If you could go:
Panarin/Strome/Anderson
Kreider/Zib/Kakko
Laf/Jenner/Buch
You have Anderson for a physical guy to grind for pucks and be net front with Strome and Bread’s established chemistry. Kakko gets the benefit of playing top six with Kreider and Zib’s established chemistry and they’re both somewhat physical, responsible players. Buch is the type who follows the lead of a Jenner and increases his physicality and Laf, who is already somewhat greasy, learns alongside a tough as nails vet like Jenner. Moreover, that Laf/Jenner/Buch line has second line talent. That’s a deeper, tougher forward lineup. Lafreniere eventually slides up to Kreider’s spot.
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pld459666
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Not peel off when you can take the body.
Happen way too often.
Expecting this team to turn on that physical aspect of the game in the POs when they rarely do it now is asking for trouble.
IMHO
Shesterkybomb
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Machinehead
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That's coaching. You can't just find and acquire guys who have a lot of non-peel-offs.
We have plenty of guys willing is what I'm saying. They're running around instead of fighting for the puck.
pld459666
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Thats not coaching. Thats a players mental make up and DNA.
You can't teach someone to play physically like Lemiuex.
They either want to play that way, or not.
For me, I don't think that CK does that enough and I KNOW Buchnevich doesn't.
Thats half your top 4 wingers that play what I would call semi-soft.
My hope is that with age, both Chytil and Kakko develop a PITA mentality. I think we have heard that Lafreniere can be pretty prick'ish.
I'd feel more comfortable if 60-70% of the team played with a more aggressive attitude
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Kreider works the boards better than anyone else in our top 6.
puck control/ possession isn’t a major issue in our top 6 (it does need to improve.) once man strength and Kakko become acquainted it will get even better.
It’s a massive issue in our bottom six. Chytil a pretty good at it, is hats pretty much it.
Not here.
Boucher teaches a 1-3-1 system. Boring hockey.
And his reputation as a prick Isn’t helping him get any opportunities.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Yeah, but he looks like a Bond villain, which is...an extreme positive.
Fitzy
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With the offensive firepower this roster has I don't think the 1-3-1 system is a fit.
As terrible as it sounds our developing roster is tailor made for Alain Vignealt's stretch pass style.
That said Lafreniere and Kakko are offensive zone possession players, as is Panarin. Playing a style where we control the puck and are patient in the offensive zone seems like the way to move forward.
As terrible as it sounds our developing roster is tailor made for Alain Vignealt's stretch pass style.
That said Lafreniere and Kakko are offensive zone possession players, as is Panarin. Playing a style where we control the puck and are patient in the offensive zone seems like the way to move forward.
My hopes are that Julien is spending a lot of time with Uncle Denis. With Uncle Denis being an old school tough guy on the ice, and an absolutely fantastic happy go lucky guy off the ice. Julien can be both. Because if he does, then he's making millions like Uncle Denis, if not more.
Thirty One
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Shaw is currently an assistant coach in Columbus. He could potentially be an associate coach here. I've never heard of a team letting one of their assistant coaches interview for an associate coach job, but I guess it could happen. When we got Benoit Allaire, he was a goalie coach in Phoenix, but we made him an assistant coach.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Haha yes
I am confused by it. We had Arniel s an associate. He supposedly has more than normal assistants, but I’m not sure what that means.
rangers1314
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What about Jim Montgomery? Could he possibly be a target to run the D if he’s in a better place personally now?
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