Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LII

[Edge]

He isn't a 70 point player with out Panarin.

Strome is who he has been, a 35-40 point player who is incredibly 1 dimensional and takes bad penalties. Anything more than a 2 year deal (so he can be exposed for the expansion draft if you want to cover that) would be a mistake.

I have no problem giving him a 1 year deal and letting him walk as a UFA.

I kind of split the difference with Strome.

I think he's better than the 35-40 points he was in Edmonton or on weaker teams, but not the 70 point player he is with Panarin.

I tend to view him as a guy who probably scores just below 20 goals and a shade above 50 points with good, but not necessarily great linemates. He's a support player, who happens to be a center, but he's talented enough to produce when put in advantageous situations.

I'm neither in a rush to trade him, nor in a rush a to lock him up to a long-term deal. If I can get a 1-4 year contract, at around $4-5 million, I'm okay with that. I'd pay him more on a shorter term deal if he's interested in getting his money up front.

 

[SA16]

I'm not suggesting that Shattenkirk was good here, but had 44 points in 46 games before getting hurt in 17-18. Claiming Yandle brought offensive punch is odd — since Yandle never did that here.

Yandle, for some reason, is one of the few guys who seemingly never gets killed around here.

In 2015-2016 in 80 games as a Ranger Yandle had the highest PP points/60 of his career up to that point at a 0.98 points/60 which was better than his last two years in Arizona.

 

[True Blue]

TDA won't be here long term because it doesn't make sense. Fox and Lundkvist will both be far better all around defenseman and both have the skill to QB a PP. Chytil will not be a top 6 player on this team if he can't learn how to win faceoffs. If he can the skill and upside is certainly there.

#IhaveNeverSeenLundqvistPlayButWantToSpoutAnywayNotThatItMattersSinceTheyWillMoveDeAngeloToCenter

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

In 2015-2016 in 80 games as a Ranger Yandle had the highest PP points/60 of his career up to that point at a 0.98 points/60 which was better than his last two years in Arizona.

Ok. But that isn't even the his top-4 scoring seasons of his career.

 

[pld459666]

It would be great if they start like that and Chytil's play move him up to the second line and moves Strome to 3C. The same with Kakko forcing the WB down.

Ideally?

AL eventually pushes CK to 3rd line
FC pushes RS to 3rd line and
KK oushes WB to 3rd line.

That said, I think I'd like to try Gauthier opposite Panarin to do some of the dirty work and net crashing to draw defenders.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I kind of split the difference with Strome.

I think he's better than the 35-40 points he was in Edmonton or on weaker teams, but not the 70 point player he is with Panarin.

I tend to view him as a guy who probably scores just below 20 goals and a shade above 50 points with good, but not necessarily great linemates. He's a support player, who happens to be a center, but he's talented enough to produce when put in advantageous situations.

I'm neither in a rush to trade him, nor in a rush a to lock him up to a long-term deal. If I can get a 1-4 year contract, at around $4-5 million, I'm okay with that. I'd pay him more on a shorter term deal if he's interested in getting his money up front.

No, you can only pick from the extremes. Nuance has no place on a message board.

 

[TheTakedown]

I kind of split the difference with Strome.

I think he's better than the 35-40 points he was in Edmonton or on weaker teams, but not the 70 point player he is with Panarin.

I tend to view him as a guy who probably scores just below 20 goals and a shade above 50 points with good, but not necessarily great linemates. He's a support player, who happens to be a center, but he's talented enough to produce when put in advantageous situations.

I'm neither in a rush to trade him, nor in a rush a to lock him up to a long-term deal. If I can get a 1-4 year contract, at around $4-5 million, I'm okay with that. I'd pay him more on a shorter term deal if he's interested in getting his money up front.

100% agreed. reminds me of Derick Brassard's situation.

I say play the market with him, weight the benefits of cap space and trade assets against keeping here on the team.

 

[Doctyl]

Ok. But that isn't even the his top-4 scoring seasons of his career.

Because he was actively crippled by the coach

 

[SA16]

Ok. But that isn't even the his top-4 scoring seasons of his career.

Yes it harder to score points when you play 19:56/game instead of 24:09.

 

[Doctyl]

100% agreed. reminds me of Derick Brassard's situation.

I say play the market with him, weight the benefits of cap space and trade assets against keeping here on the team.

Brassard was actually a good hockey player here though and wasn’t mooching off a Hart finalist

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Ideally?

AL eventually pushes CK to 3rd line
FC pushes RS to 3rd line and
KK oushes WB to 3rd line.

Absolutely.

IThat said, I think I'd like to try Gauthier opposite Panarin to do some of the dirty work and net crashing to draw defenders.

I wish I had a better feel for Gauthier. Can he do the things you ask of him? Is he a faster Eric Daze or can he becomes lesser John LeClair? Right now, there's a lot of raw tools to like.

 

[Trxjw]

So Montreal is going with the "$15m in goalies" strategy. Interesting.

 

[Fitzy]

There is no comparison between Voynov and DeAngelo. NONE. And at last check, it was legal for people to be conservatives. He has said and done NOTHING egregious. It just seems that way to you because you disagree with his viewpoints. Which means that someone could find your views equally disgusting and unworthy.

Trump and his fans aren't conservatives, they're nationalist-populists.

Mitt Romney is a conservative. George W Bush is a conservative.

Still, the point is well made. I've gone on record as anything short of Communism/Facism worship should be within the realm of respectable discourse.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm not suggesting that Shattenkirk was good here, but had 44 points in 46 games before getting hurt in 17-18. Claiming Yandle brought offensive punch is odd — since Yandle never did that here.

Yandle, for some reason, is one of the few guys who seemingly never gets killed around here.

he had 44 PIMs lol, not points

he had 23 points

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

he had 44 PIMs lol, not points

he had 23 points

My mistake. Columns suck.

 

[Fitzy]

People complained about Shattenkirk before he even arrived, and he was an often debated player. The point is offensive defensemen here have always taken tons of criticism. This isn't a persecution of Tony D.

It's an interesting point you make here. I wasn't on message boards during the Brian Leetch era, but then again he was a first ballot hall of famer.

I don't think MDZ got too much hate when he was producing, but perhaps that was because it had been so long since the team had a real puck mover. Rozsival was really forced into that role via necessity.

 

[pld459666]

I'm not suggesting that Shattenkirk was good here, but had 44 points in 46 games before getting hurt in 17-18. Claiming Yandle brought offensive punch is odd — since Yandle never did that here.

Yandle, for some reason, is one of the few guys who seemingly never gets killed around here.

Agreed.

Didn;t think Yandle was anything special here, at ES or on the PP

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Blues got a third for Jake Allen

Makes me think Georgie should bring back at least a 2nd

 

[True Blue]

100% agreed. reminds me of Derick Brassard's situation.

I say play the market with him, weight the benefits of cap space and trade assets against keeping here on the team.

As a stop gap, he is worth more to the Rangers than a second round pick

 

[Off Sides]

A loud portion of the fanbase hates Tony for his off ice behaviors, and would want him traded for anything. I don't like Tony's off ice stuff either but I also realize the talent he has and you don't just give that away.

Again I'll say the entire conversation around Tony lacks nuance and it's incredibly frustrating to see.

You can hate what Tony does off the ice and also say he's valuable on the ice and should be traded for something equally valuable. This isn't a black or white issue, there can be shades of gray

I also think in general people are terrible at evaluating worth in trades.

I don't think the Rangers will get equal value in any ADA trade.

They'll get some package of players/prospects they like and in a year or two everyone will wonder why the Rangers liked those players/prospects. Probably will not be too different than the McD/Miller trade where the portion of the return, Howden, Hajek and Namestnikov looks questionable.

 

[mas0764]

Ideally?

AL eventually pushes CK to 3rd line
FC pushes RS to 3rd line and
KK oushes WB to 3rd line.

That said, I think I'd like to try Gauthier opposite Panarin to do some of the dirty work and net crashing to draw defenders.

Who is WB? I am seeing a PB.

 

[pld459666]

Who is WB? I am seeing a PB.

WB = Warm Body

 

[Avery16]

ANOTHER TRADE

 

[Avery16]

 

[GAGLine]

As a stop gap, he is worth more to the Rangers than a second round pick

But is he worth more than a 2nd to other teams? That's the question.