Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LI

[TopShelf86]

the main boards thinks Kakko + Laf for Point is biased towards the Rangers and I kinda want to deactivate my account after reading that.

What? Nobody really believes do they?

 

[Barnaby]

I do not disagree with the initial sentiment, but cannot judge anything based on 3 games in the most insane of time.s I do however think that Gorton and JD will assess what happened and act in a measured way. We already know what type of team they are trying to build. Nothing that I have seen changes my opinion.

Yea, I wouldn’t go nuclear based on a 3 game stretch following a pandemic but I think this team clearly lacked a few things prior to this series that just became more amplified in the set with Carolina.

 

[TopShelf86]

Don’t you know kakko is already a bust and when Lafreniere only gets 40-50 points next year he will be a worthless bust as well.

Right?....I agree
Apparently they didnt check Nate McKinnons stats his first 4 years where he scored 63 points his first year thrm the next 3 was something like
57
53
52
Then boom 97

Who I think is as dynamic as McDavid or very close took 5 seasons to get to game breaker status.
For all we know Kakko is at best a point per game player
That's ok too...that's very ok

 

[Edge]

Right?....I agree
Apparently they didnt check Nate McKinnons stats his first 4 years where he scored 63 points his first year thrm the next 3 was something like
57
53
52
Thrown boom 97

Who I think is as dynamic as McDavid or very close took 5 seasons to get to game breaker status.
For all we know Kakko is at best a point per game player
That's ok too...that's very ok

It's funny because that 2013 draft has player comparables I've referenced before.

From a production standpoint, I view Kakk0's upside as being on par with someone like Barkov, while I view Lafreniere's production upside as being closer to MacKinnon's .

So, if everything worked out, a guy who is capable of totals in the mid-90s, and a guy who is capable of surpassing 100 points.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

It's funny because that 2013 draft has player comparables I've referenced before.

From a production standpoint, I view Kakk0's upside as being on par with someone like Barkov, while I view Lafreniere's production upside as being closer to MacKinnon's .

So, if everything worked out, a guy who is capable of totals in the mid-90s, and a guy who is capable of surpassing 100 points.

I think a few people, I know I did multiple times, brought up Barkov's point totals from his first few seasons as a reason to pull back the 'at least 60 point' expectations that were being put on Kakko

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The super encouraging thing with Kakko is that he already has shown he is very committed to improving weak points. He took the 4 month break and came back significantly quicker than he was in season which was a weak spot of his play for sure. Factor in his age and there is no doubt in my mind the kid is going to be a beast in 3-4 years if not much sooner.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Do you guys

I think a few people, I know I did multiple times, brought up Barkov's point totals from his first few seasons as a reason to pull back the 'at least 60 point' expectations that were being put on Kakko

Me too... he's not as good as Barkov was, even as a rookie, but will be a guy to double his points to ~80.

 

[BBKers]

There were rumors the Rangers liked MacDermid from LA. Big LD

I did.

 

[BBKers]

WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS ENDING IN 2022. We need to gooooooooo for it...

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Typical anti NY HF posts. If Kakko and Lafreniere were on other teams, they would be locks to be superstars. On the Rangers they will now be mediocre. Exactly why I rarely listen to what any other fan base has to say on any of our players or prospects.

 

[Thirty One]

WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS ENDING IN 2022.

Do you have inside information here?

 

[mas0764]

What does this have to do with the right side? And again, you should only be so luck to have a 55 point right wing be actually your second line player.

What do you expect to pay for a young wing who has top line production?

Lafreniere will be on his ECL and then has RFA years. That is much more than 3 years. And can he actually produce like Kane first before we worry about what that contract looks like? Ditto for Kakko.

Can you point to just a single piece of actual evidence that would make someone think that this is anything other than pure fantasy land conjecture?

It has everything to do with it.

Pretty much everyone can see that we have a pending logjam at wing especially vis a vis payroll and many are fine being proactive about it. You are the only one pretending it's some terrible thing to balance the roster out.

 

[True Blue]

It has everything to do with it.

Pretty much everyone can see that we have a pending logjam at wing especially vis a vis payroll and many are fine being proactive about it. You are the only one pretending it's some terrible thing to balance the roster out.

You cannot possibly have a log jam at RW when by including LW into the count. There is no log jam.

Balancing the roster out is FAR different than fictitious log jams nor is a way to accomplish it is by trading top line production or top defense scoring for pure prospects. That is not balancing the roster out.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Do you have inside information here?

Not those Mayans again?

 

[Thirty One]

Not those Mayans again?

Don't trust them. They're pretty much the Eklund of doomsday prophecies.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

If Hank retired, and NYR went out and blew all the cap space on big contracts, we'd fully deserve not being able to re-sign Fox, Kakko, Zibanejad, Chytil, and the like.

Panarin was our big UFA and Trouba was our big trade. The rest is either going to have to be Yandle trades where we give up a lot for retention on the contract, or young cap controlled olayers.

 

[Savant]

Reinhart could fit at 2/3C
to me, any deal w Buff should REALLY try to return Pekar, a rookie wing w size, skill and attitude; maybe Lindbom in the package helps ...

I don’t think Reinhardt is a center. Plays primarily on the wing. Like Elias Lindholm; wasn’t good at center and was moved to wing and improved. Don’t need another winger.

 

[kovazub94]

+ Chychrun (built around Buchnevich, Hajek, Carolina #1)
+ W. Nylander (built around ADA + Georgie)
+ Mantha (built around Kravtsov, Lindbom, Lias/Henriksson, Robertsson/Jones, pick(s))
+ Josh Andersson (built around Strome)
+ LAF
+ 2-3 UFAs on the cheap
- Staal and Hank retire...

That would be quite the off-season. Not all this will happen. But some might.
Would not be cheap. But there is opportunity to make (some) things happen
Get er done GMJG!

Expensive!

 

[Savant]

Here is a list of the best 100 faceoff guys in the NHL last year.

Face-off stats- 2019-20 regular season - 2019 - Puckbase

I want at least one of those guys.

1-61 are over 50% win rate.
1-19 are 55% or over. This is where the Rangers should be shopping.

Improve the bottom six in 2020. Go big game hunting in 2021.

 

[Thirty One]

Here is a list of the best 100 faceoff guys in the NHL last year.

Face-off stats- 2019-20 regular season - 2019 - Puckbase

I want at least one of those guys.

1-61 are over 50% win rate.
1-19 are 55% or over. This is where the Rangers should be shopping.

Improve the bottom six in 2020. Go big game hunting in 2021.

How much extra are you willing to give up for 55% over 50%?

 

[Savant]

How much extra are you willing to give up for 55% over 50%?

Depends. I’m not saying I’d rather have Nate Thompson than Brayden Point.

What I am saying is that this is an interesting view. The Flyers and the Canucks for example have overachieved. Philly has 2 of the top 5 guys on this list. The Canucks have 3 of the top 7! Obvious Giroux and Couturier types don’t grow on trees but why can’t the Rangers find a guy like Jay Beagle? This stuff helps.

These are marginal gains that the Rangers are not doing well that could make a big impact. The Rangers had ZERO players win over 50% on their draws. Improving faceoffs and the PK are two areas that can be solved without breaking the bank

 

[bigdog16]

Here is a list of the best 100 faceoff guys in the NHL last year.

Face-off stats- 2019-20 regular season - 2019 - Puckbase

I want at least one of those guys.

1-61 are over 50% win rate.
1-19 are 55% or over. This is where the Rangers should be shopping.

Improve the bottom six in 2020. Go big game hunting in 2021.

The only attainable player in that top 19 that would interest me whatsoever is Dvorak

 

[cwede]

I don’t think Reinhardt is a center. Plays primarily on the wing. Like Elias Lindholm; wasn’t good at center and was moved to wing and improved. Don’t need another winger.

i agree don't prioritize a proven pricey winger
still would love Pekar if we could wangle him from Buff
could be smarter, more skilled version of Lemieux

i wasn't aware Reinhardt wasn't playing C (probably neither were others)
but i see that now,
Buffalo Sabres- Face-off stats - 2019 - Puckbase

....Player ............................Team ..FO% ...FO ..Games FO/game FW FL

1	Jack Eichel	BUF	46.8%	1311	68	19.3	614	697
2	Johan Larsson	BUF	48.2%	668	62	10.8	322	346
3	Curtis Lazar	BUF	51.2%	361	38	9.5	185	176
4	Marcus Johansson	BUF	40.0%	490	60	8.2	196	294
5	Casey Mittelstadt	BUF	46.5%	185	31	6.0	86	99
6	Evan Rodrigues	BUF	45.5%	213	38	5.6	97	116
7	Vladimir Sobotka	BUF	55.7%	70	16	4.4	39	31
8	Rasmus Asplund	BUF	43.0%	114	29	3.9	49	65
9	Sam Reinhart	BUF	35.7%	112	69	1.6	40	72

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Savant]

The only attainable player in that top 19 that would interest me whatsoever is Dvorak

Maybe? But again don’t need to get a get like Bergeron. Get some role players to fill out bottom six and play matchups. It’s a marginal gain.

Rangers could do a lot worse than Luke Glendening for a year.

 

[kovazub94]

I wonder if K.Miller would be open for domi ?

Only if the Rangers hire Bob Gainey still feeling guilty for trading McDonagh for Gomez and who decides to even it up.