Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LI

[GAGLine]

Given the depth in the org in terms of prospects and how fickle the position is in general, LD is where I'd be most inclined to do some experimenting with shorter term / cheaper contracts. There's certainly potential for a Hanafin or Chychrun to look like a steal in a year or two but there's downside there as well. See if you can get a young RFA who needs a change of scenery or who is stuck behind better players and maybe he blossoms with the opportunity. The more I look at the long term, the less inclined I am to lock in 4, 5, or 6 years on LD.

That's why I was thinking of Leddy. He only has 2 years left, the Islanders are up against the cap, and Leddy will probably be the odd man out. Of course, we're up against the cap too, so we'll have to make other moves to make it work, but if we can get him for cheap, he could be a good stop-gap until other players are ready.

 

[GAGLine]

true but a year ago this was true about RHD too.

A year ago we had cap space.

 

[mas0764]

You keep coming back to this and have a belief that positions are fungible. They are not. Buchnevich was going to 55 points last year. That is NOT a third line wing. He very much can play on the top line, whether you like it or not.

Panarin, Lafreniere, Kreider ALL play on the opposite side of the ice. Left wings and right wings are not fungible.

There certainly is Kakko and we all expect him to take his place on the top lines soon enough. But Kravstov? He should play one second of an NHL game first, no? And players like Fast do not belong in the top 6.

You consistently misrepresent my position; I am not saying the positions are fungible.

 

[huerter]

And this is why I think Buch's approximate value is roughly the same as it was last year when he was included in a deal for a top 10 pick.

Now, while I don't believe the Rangers intend to go that direction again, those talks and the Kapanen deal should hopefully give some pause to people who might think we inherently have to add to any deal involving Buch.

Wait, what? Where is there any evidence of this?

 

[Leetch3]

A year ago we had cap space.

No we didn’t. We had to buyout shattenkirk and sign deangelo and lemieux to their QO cause we had no cap space.

 

[bobbop]

I don't disagree with you but the other poster said Chayka was handicapped by dead cap space and bad luck with prospects. Chayka can't have it both ways when we evaluate his tenure. We can't give him credit for making those cap space moves and then absolve team woes because his cap was gone. We can't say the Stepan move was wise at the time but forgive the bare cupboard because he traded away a top 5 point scoring young offensive defenseman and a 7th OA.

I'm not blasting the guy for his track record, but I do want the evaluation to be honest.

Prior to the past year, he did not have the budget available. The Coyotes were not a cap team until Meruelo bought the team. Chayka used cap space that would have not been utilized otherwise. That was smart. Once he got the green light to spend to the cap, he was aggressive. The Coyotes brought in Kessell and Hall this year among others.

As for the Stepan deal, it was a good move at the time because the Coyotes couldn’t get any free agents of consequence to sign with them. I thought the Rangers got screwed at the time. In hindsight, I didn’t expect Stepan and Raanta’s careers to implode quite the way they did and if you remember, I was very negative on DeAngelo because of what I saw on the ice and heard about off the ice. To say the least, it didn’t play out the way I expected. Probably the same for Chayka. That’s why I’m sitting on the couch. (you too)

 

[Ghost of jas]

Wait, what? Where is there any evidence of this?

New to the board, aren't you?

 

[GAGLine]

No we didn’t. We had to buyout shattenkirk and sign deangelo and lemieux to their QO cause we had no cap space.

Okay, let me rephrase. We had more cap space than we do this year.

Buying out Shattenkirk and lowballing DeAngelo and Lemieux was only necessary because we spent nearly 20 mil on Panarin and Trouba.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Wait, what? Where is there any evidence of this?

@Edge reported it. He is vetted.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kylington would have been a baller pick up a few years ago.

Hes the opposite of what we need. Dermott is fine if he's replacing Staal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Wait, what? Where is there any evidence of this?

Edge is the evidence

 

[duhmetreE]

Those guys combined for like 28 points. Buchnevich almost scored twice as many points as the two of them put together lol.

and we're adding Lafreniere and have another year of development for the kids. We dont need to score 10 goals a game. We need to be a better balanced team

Bennett as Center should produce a lot more

 

[aufheben]

and we're adding Lafreniere and have another year of development for the kids. We dont need to score 10 goals a game. We need to be a better balanced team

Bennett as Center should produce a lot more

Yeah I’d trade Georgiev for those two, but Buchnevich too? Would you trade a #10-15OA pick for Sam Bennett and Dube?

 

[Trxjw]

That's why I was thinking of Leddy. He only has 2 years left, the Islanders are up against the cap, and Leddy will probably be the odd man out. Of course, we're up against the cap too, so we'll have to make other moves to make it work, but if we can get him for cheap, he could be a good stop-gap until other players are ready.

He'd certainly be an interesting option if he was available. Still hard to see us making a deal with the Isles though.

 

[Edge]

Wait, what? Where is there any evidence of this?

Long story short. Used to work for the rangers and the league. Still do some work with the league and have a decent list of connections.

To the point, Rangers-Oilers were deep into talks last summer as the Rangers looked to get back into the top 10 (see news stories on that from NY Post). Buch was target, Oilers decided to go with the pick, deal died with about 1 minute left on the draft clock.

That's the abbreviated version.

 

[UnSandvich]

Yeah I’d trade Georgiev for those two, but Buchnevich too? Would you trade a #10-15OA pick for Sam Bennett and Dube?

I sure as shit wouldn't, but then again, I also think trading Buch this season at all would be a monumental blunder.

 

[Trxjw]

Dermott and Kylington are interesting names... possibilities of an Anton Stralman type of pickup.

Yeah I'm just looking around for guys who could potentially grow into a spot who are maybe a little further along than guys like Miller and Hajek. They're far from finished products right now but there are skills that can be developed in the right role. I think a guy like Dermott could provide the team with some interesting options and there's top-4 potential there. I think Kylington is a longer shot but like I said, it's a big of a swing with a low risk but potentially a high reward.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Prior to the past year, he did not have the budget available. The Coyotes were not a cap team until Meruelo bought the team. Chayka used cap space that would have not been utilized otherwise. That was smart. Once he got the green light to spend to the cap, he was aggressive. The Coyotes brought in Kessell and Hall this year among others.

As for the Stepan deal, it was a good move at the time because the Coyotes couldn’t get any free agents of consequence to sign with them. I thought the Rangers got screwed at the time. In hindsight, I didn’t expect Stepan and Raanta’s careers to implode quite the way they did and if you remember, I was very negative on DeAngelo because of what I saw on the ice and heard about off the ice. To say the last, it didn’t out the way I expected. Probably the same for Chayka.

We are having two different conversations. Someone said Chayka didn't have success because he was burdened by dead cap from 3 contracts. I pointed out he traded for (2 of) them. That's it. I understand there is a whole story behind it, and it's not black and white. It just sounded like someone absolving Sather for not winning the cup because the organization drafted McIlrath instead of Taranesenko.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I’d trade Georgiev for those two, but Buchnevich too? Would you trade a #10-15OA pick for Sam Bennett and Dube?

I'd consider it for 15 tbh.

Dube is a good player.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Long story short. Used to work for the rangers and the league. Still do some work with the league and have a decent list of connections.

To the point, Rangers-Oilers were deep into talks last summer as the Rangers looked to get back into the top 10 (see news stories on that from NY Post). Buch was target, Oilers decided to go with the pick, deal died with about 1 minute left on the draft clock.

That's the abbreviated version.

We would've taken Zegras, right?

 

[Edge]

We would've taken Zegras, right?

Correct.

Incidently, he was my favorite guy in the 2019 draft. Doesn't always work that way though.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Correct.

Incidently, he was my favorite guy in the 2019 draft. Doesn't always work that way though.

I'd still like to know who made up that rumor about the Rangers purchasing Dylan Cozens's suit. Haha

 

[Edge]

I'd still like to know who made up that rumor about the Rangers purchasing Dylan Cozens's suit. Haha

That one came out of left field from some random rumors site.

Not only is it false, it would be completely irregular for a team to do that. Because regardless of intentions, he isn't their player yet.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That one came out of left field from some random rumors site.

Not only is it false, it would be completely irregular for a team to do that. Because regardless of intentions, he isn't their player yet.

Rangers gonna buy Drysdale a timeshare this year and this board is going to implode

 

[NYR Viper]

There were rumors the Rangers liked MacDermid from LA. Big LD