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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

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Avery16 said:
Where does Clifford play on a roster that features Lemieux
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Depends on a couple of factors.

If Kreider ends up on the right side, you very well could see have Lemieux getting another look on the third. That would then put Clifford as the fourth line LW.

I think you could potentially slide him over the right if you needed to. Same for Lemieux.

But I think someone like Lemieux could be the type of player other teams are asking for if the Rangers want to make improve their roster. So as unhappy as that thought makes me, I can't rule it out either.

And if a move happens before free agent season, that could be a path for the Rangers.
 
I would hope Brodin or Lindholm (ANH) were in the fishbowl of "ADA for ?" inquires around the league.

I could go either way but Lindholm + Rackell would be a heck of a get if we could work something out. Rackell would make us a better playoff team.

ADA would balance their team a bit, they only have Manson as a true RD and Fowler + ADA could boost their PP numbers.
 
NYR Viper said:
I didn't say I wanted 3 years I was trying to grasp what we can expect him to get.

I'd prefer 2 years, not sure on the salary.

Lemieux can play RW or LW can't he? I remember reading that he can play either wing and I believe he has bounced between the two with the Rangers
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Yeah a 2 year deal would be much easier to stomach. I'm not sure I see a role for him though unless as a Lemieux replacement if we move him elsewhere in a separate deal.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
3 year deal for Clifford? Are we trying to relive the Tanner Glass experience or what?

Doesn't Lemieux bring most of what Clifford would while being younger and better? Am I missing something?
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What you're missing is that this team severely lacks NHL caliber depth in its bottom 6, especially the variety that can play with an edge as evidenced by our early playoff exit.

The goal would be to have Clifford AND Lemieux. Clifford is not Tanner Glass. He can actually play hockey in a team's bottom 6 and not be a liability, can PK, and brings a veteran presence to the locker room and has won 2 cups.

So long as we aren't paying him north of 2 million, I don't mind that at all as a bottom 6 reinforcement.
 
I don't think signing bottom 6 players out of free agency is the way to go, unless they are cheap re-treads like Ruslan Fedotenko.

You trade for guys like Lemieux, and develop the rest out of your system.

Throw in the fact that both Kreider and Chytil are likely to be 3rd liners next year, and it's really only the 4th line that needs substantial work.
 
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Mikachu93 said:
What you're missing is that this team severely lacks NHL caliber depth in its bottom 6, especially the variety that can play with an edge as evidenced by our early playoff exit.

The goal would be to have Clifford AND Lemieux. Clifford is not Tanner Glass. He can actually play hockey in a team's bottom 6 and not be a liability, can PK, and brings a veteran presence to the locker room and has won 2 cups.

So long as we aren't paying him north of 2 million, I don't mind that at all as a bottom 6 reinforcement.
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Eh, idk. I get what you're saying about us needing some more snarl and Clifford is fine and he's definitely better than Glass is but giving him a 3 year deal would be a similarly misguided from a contract/cap perspective, at least to me. He'll be 30 in January, he's a 4th liner. I just don't see any reason to invest anything in him.

If he'll sign for a year or two at 1.5m, sure why not. But he made 1.6 AAV on his previous deal, he'd likely want over 2m+ now. If we sign him for 2m AAV, that likely means we're saying goodbye to Fast.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Eh, idk. I get what you're saying about us needing some more snarl and Clifford is fine and he's definitely better than Glass is but giving him a 3 year deal would be a similarly misguided from a contract/cap perspective, at least to me. He'll be 30 in January, he's a 4th liner. I just don't see any reason to invest anything in him.

If he'll sign for a year or two at 1.5m, sure why not. But he made 1.6 AAV on his previous deal, he'd likely want over 2m+ now. If we sign him for 2m AAV, that likely means we're saying goodbye to Fast.
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I think Fast may already be gone unless he likes what he sees and want to be a part of it. I know the Rangers would welcome him back, but we'd probably be asking him to leave money on the table.
 
Edge said:
I think Fast may already be gone unless he likes what he sees and want to be a part of it. I know the Rangers would welcome him back, but we'd probably be asking him to leave money on the table.
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Yeah that's true. I'm still holding out hope that the flat cap will limit the chances of a team swooping in and overpaying him.
 
AlexisLafreNYR said:
I don’t think we would trade ADA for the 8th pick.

If we’re trading ADA it should be for a roster upgrade
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Igor Shestyorkin said:
Why would we give up one of the best offensively oriented defenseman in the entire NHL for an unknown? 8th OA is good but we’re not in a rebuild anymore.
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Im not saying it would be a good idea, but from a market value standpoint that is fair. I have faith DeAngelo will be a good offensive dman, but will he replicate a .80 point per game pace next year and put up 60+ over 82 games? Not sure about that yet
 
It wouldn’t be too surprising if the flat cap resulted in the top guys still getting their money and depth UFAs getting brutally squeezed. Plus a resurgence of old school “second contracts” around the league.

In a flat cap and stressed internal budget world...guys like Fast/Clifford could be the big losers (personally) and be available for cheaper than usual.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Eh, idk. I get what you're saying about us needing some more snarl and Clifford is fine and he's definitely better than Glass is but giving him a 3 year deal would be a similarly misguided from a contract/cap perspective, at least to me. He'll be 30 in January, he's a 4th liner. I just don't see any reason to invest anything in him.

If he'll sign for a year or two at 1.5m, sure why not. But he made 1.6 AAV on his previous deal, he'd likely want over 2m+ now. If we sign him for 2m AAV, that likely means we're saying goodbye to Fast.
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I think Clifford won't get north of 2 in this market. Fast is a goner unless Hank retires and we have an extra 8.5m to mess around with.

Then we could sign both of those guys tbh.

Fast - 2-3 years 2.5-3m
Clifford - 2 years, 1.75m

Your bottom 6 has some combo of Lafreniere, Chytil, Fast, Clifford, Howden, Gauthier, Lemieux with one of those guys getting top 6 mins.

A much better problem to have than what we currently roll out there.
 
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bigdog16 said:
Im not saying it would be a good idea, but from a market value standpoint that is fair. I have faith DeAngelo will be a good offensive dman, but will he replicate a .80 point per game pace next year and put up 60+ over 82 games? Not sure about that yet
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His xG numbers indicate he should be a very productive defenseman for years to come. Not to mention he’s on a team loaded with forward talent.
 
Dr Quincy said:
5 on 3 in an exhibition but still he always seems to be right in front of the net when he's in SWE.
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Lias Andersson will have a very long and prosperous career in the SHL like his father. I wish him great success on raising his jersey to the rafters of HV71’s arena.
 
bigdog16 said:
Loaded with unproven forward talent with a lot of potential, yes.

We had 2 players over 60 points
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Ryan Strome had 59 in 70 games. Kreider, Buchnevich are very good wingers in their own right and Buch’s production has seen an uptick every season. Kreider is a lock for 20+ goals. And you basically have to expect some form of a jump from at least a couple of the young forwards or else it’s a bit of a disappointment.

Let’s also not act as if DeAngelo can’t create offense on his own.
 
Why not just get Simmonds instead of Clifford? At least Simmonds is a RW. I don't want any of them but if i had to choose, i'll take Simmonds
 
bigdog16 said:
Loaded with unproven forward talent with a lot of potential, yes.

We had 2 players over 60 points
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How many would they have had with a 82 game schedule? At least 3 and as many as 5, with DeAngelo being one of the 5.

You do realize that most teams, even the best teams, usually only have 3-4 guys over 60 points right?

The trendy, pre real playoff EC favorite Flyers had 1 player this season who eclipsed 60.

Bruins also had 2.

Vegas had 2

Colorado had 1, Injuries played a factor, but I'm sticking with your parameters.
 
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I'm sure the advanced stats community can come up with a reason why this is a horrible comparison but i found this interesting.

Through their age 24 seasons:

Anthony DeAngelo: 200 gp, 24g, 81a, 105 pts, -13
Kevin Shattenkirk: 201 gp, 23g, 86a, 109 points, +18

edit: yes i am well aware that the 2020 season was shortened due to Covid-19
 
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