Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Now I will say this there is an argument to be made (not saying I agree with it but I see it as a valid argument)

to trade for Vince Dunn since he’s the most recent flavor of the week IF and ONLY IF

1. you have decided to trade DeAngelo because you don’t want to tie up more money on the right side and feel you don’t want to limit offensive opportunities for Fox and Trouba while being certain Lundkvist is a player.
2. You are getting a young center in return and saying goodbye to Ryan Strome in the process.

I just don't see it this year. It's a lot of movement and there isn't going to be a lot of time to get ready. I don't think the NHL is going to have any explosive deals this limited offseason like it did in 2016. Flat cap + Expansion + Covid are really going to play a massive role.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I said some chips, not all of them.

we’re pretty loaded depth wise in the system where we can survive this.

Last post before I have to go but I've appreciated this game of chess posting we're playing lol (cheers!).

The bottom six is still a mess. No more McKegs of the world and PDG needs to go. You have two young centers who are usually/often/but not always centers, an agitating yet inconsistent winger in Lemiuex, and a very young developing Gauthier.

 

[Kovalev27]

I tend to agree. I do believe Lundqvist retires and we sign DeAngelo to a bridge deal. 3 years like other young stars are getting.

I am seeing a lot behind NYR trading that 2nd first rounder for immediate help though.

I think Strome is 50/50 I’m not quite sure but I don’t think he’s here more than a year

 

[JC704]

The type of move that makes sense is finding a guy who may be a UFA soon that fits the team. The McDonagh trade is a good example from TB’s perspective. They didn’t move any prime assets. Howden and Hajek were secondary for them. They then re-signed McDonagh.

The Rangers have A LOT of secondary assets they could move for the right guy. The key is finding that guy.

IMO, I think the Rangers end up with one of Jonas Brodin, Vince Dunn, Oscar Klefbom, Hampus Lindholm, or even a Noah Hanifin. Each can be had for different prices, but the Rangers are one of 4/5 teams in the league who can meet those prices.

I think Buch, Chytil. Howden, Lias, Kravtsov, Tony, Nils, Hajek, Rykov, Carolina's pick and Georgiev are all in play. A combination of these assets can get a few of those guys above. Lindholm would be a massive trade, but worth it for this roster right now.

 

[bobbop]

I have no interest in Todd Rierden. He took over a Stanley Cup championship team and wasn’t able to win a playoff series.

Did you see the Capitals defense this year? They looked like a turnstile.

On top of everything else, Rierden looks pretty sullen on the bench. I’d rather someone with some energy and enthusiasm.

I’d still love them to take a look at Scott Stevens.

 

[bobbop]

I tend to agree. I do believe Lundqvist retires and we sign DeAngelo to a bridge deal. 3 years like other young stars are getting.

I am seeing a lot behind NYR trading that 2nd first rounder for immediate help though.

I think Strome is 50/50 I’m not quite sure but I don’t think he’s here more than a year

Three years brings him to UFA. Has to be 2 (likely) of 4+

 

[Tawnos]

I have no interest in Todd Rierden. He took over a Stanley Cup championship team and wasn’t able to win a playoff series.

Did you see the Capitals defense this year? They looked like a turnstile.

On top of everything else, Rierden looks pretty sullen on the bench. I’d rather someone with some energy and enthusiasm.

I’d still love them to take a look at Scott Stevens.

I know it’s not really rational, but I never want Scott Stevens to have anything to do with the Rangers.

 

[haohmaru]

I tend to agree. I do believe Lundqvist retires and we sign DeAngelo to a bridge deal. 3 years like other young stars are getting.

I am seeing a lot behind NYR trading that 2nd first rounder for immediate help though.

I think Strome is 50/50 I’m not quite sure but I don’t think he’s here more than a year

I think Lundqvist retiring is more wishful thinking from Rangers fans than it is reality.

From NYT:

"Lundqvist did not sound like a professional athlete who was anywhere close to retirement, an option in front of him. Next season will be the final one on his contract. He will be owed $5.5 million, but his salary will count as $8.5 million against the salary cap because it is an average over the length of the contract. He intends to continue his career, perhaps for a couple more years, according to someone familiar with his thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity."

I'm not sure how all of this will shake out, but I don't think it's with Lundqvist giving a presser and quietly finishing his career in Sweden.

 

[cwede]

...I think Buch, Chytil. Howden, Lias, Kravtsov, Tony, Nils, Hajek, Rykov, Carolina's pick and Georgiev are all in play. A combination of these assets can get a few of those guys above....

Gotta move ADA, if/before acquire a keeper vet D, before Expansion draft. (Can only protect 1 more after 8, 55)

I do NOT believe Chytil, Krav or Nils in play. But Gorts does not tell me much lately.

NYR really do not need to fix LHD this season.
Don't let 6 weeks, in winter, confuse that rebuild still only midway
After Exp draft, and Hank, Shatt, Staal, Smith deals expired, and various kids make strides '20-21, THEN worry about tweaking roster to contend.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think Lundqvist retiring is more wishful thinking from Rangers fans than it is reality.

From NYT:

"Lundqvist did not sound like a professional athlete who was anywhere close to retirement, an option in front of him. Next season will be the final one on his contract. He will be owed $5.5 million, but his salary will count as $8.5 million against the salary cap because it is an average over the length of the contract. He intends to continue his career, perhaps for a couple more years, according to someone familiar with his thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity."

I'm not sure how all of this will shake out, but I don't think it's with Lundqvist giving a presser and quietly finishing his career in Sweden.

how old is this quote?

 

[Kovalev27]

I think Lundqvist retiring is more wishful thinking from Rangers fans than it is reality.

From NYT:

"Lundqvist did not sound like a professional athlete who was anywhere close to retirement, an option in front of him. Next season will be the final one on his contract. He will be owed $5.5 million, but his salary will count as $8.5 million against the salary cap because it is an average over the length of the contract. He intends to continue his career, perhaps for a couple more years, according to someone familiar with his thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity."

I'm not sure how all of this will shake out, but I don't think it's with Lundqvist giving a presser and quietly finishing his career in Sweden.

When is that Even from? Didn’t even know the times had a NYR beat

things change. And with escrow as bad as it will be he might not even make what he could make in Sweden potentially.

he will not play for the NYR. And as I’ve laid out with the amount of UFA and or soon to be UFA goalies ahead of him Plus a flat cap he has very little opportunity available.

I’d be very surprised if he plays another nhl game

 

[haohmaru]

When is that Even from? Didn’t even know the times had a NYR beat

things change. And with escrow as bad as it will be he might not even make what he could make in Sweden potentially.

he will not play for the NYR. And as I’ve laid out with the amount of UFA and or soon to be UFA goalies ahead of him Plus a flat cap he has very little opportunity available.

I’d be very surprised if he plays another nhl game

It was from a week ago.

Henrik Lundqvist, Key to Rangers’ Past Glory, Awaits His Future

(Edited to add)

A Rangers buyout might actually lengthen his NHL career, not shorten it. Some team, somewhere, is going to give him a low $ (I doubt he cares about money) offer and tell him he'll have a chance to compete for a starting position.

I don't think he's done either way (buyout or no).

 

[Cag29]

IMO, I think the Rangers end up with one of Jonas Brodin, Vince Dunn, Oscar Klefbom, Hampus Lindholm, or even a Noah Hanifin. Each can be had for different prices, but the Rangers are one of 4/5 teams in the league who can meet those prices.

I think Buch, Chytil. Howden, Lias, Kravtsov, Tony, Nils, Hajek, Rykov, Carolina's pick and Georgiev are all in play. A combination of these assets can get a few of those guys above. Lindholm would be a massive trade, but worth it for this roster right now.

I would not trade Nils Lundkvist.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I have no interest in Todd Rierden. He took over a Stanley Cup championship team and wasn’t able to win a playoff series.

Did you see the Capitals defense this year? They looked like a turnstile.

On top of everything else, Rierden looks pretty sullen on the bench. I’d rather someone with some energy and enthusiasm.

I’d still love them to take a look at Scott Stevens.

I’m game for Stevens. Imagine him grooming Lindgren.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I tend to agree. I do believe Lundqvist retires and we sign DeAngelo to a bridge deal. 3 years like other young stars are getting.

I am seeing a lot behind NYR trading that 2nd first rounder for immediate help though.

I think Strome is 50/50 I’m not quite sure but I don’t think he’s here more than a year

3 years takes him right to Free Agency, so no.

 

[Edge]

He's getting drafted in the 1st round you can bank on that.

Most likely yes.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

VK being loaned back to Russia definitely bumps the odds for Fast staying at least another year imo. It also probably means Buch stays as well because even though we have Kakko and Goat they’re both raw and need more time to develop and aren’t ready for that top rw role.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Gotta move ADA, if/before acquire a keeper vet D, before Expansion draft. (Can only protect 1 more after 8, 55)

I do NOT believe Chytil, Krav or Nils in play. But Gorts does not tell me much lately.

NYR really do not need to fix LHD this season.
Don't let 6 weeks, in winter, confuse that rebuild still only midway
After Exp draft, and Hank, Shatt, Staal, Smith deals expired, and various kids make strides '20-21, THEN worry about tweaking roster to contend.

Nor should they be. That is the kind of strategy that has failed us miserably in the past.

 

[Savant]

I have no interest in Todd Rierden. He took over a Stanley Cup championship team and wasn’t able to win a playoff series.

Did you see the Capitals defense this year? They looked like a turnstile.

On top of everything else, Rierden looks pretty sullen on the bench. I’d rather someone with some energy and enthusiasm.

I’d still love them to take a look at Scott Stevens.

Stevens would be a disaster. Trottier hire all over again.

if the Rangers replace Quinn, they can’t go unproven again, unless they want to try a guy like Knoblauch who they would be promoting from within.

 

[Savant]

Gotta move ADA, if/before acquire a keeper vet D, before Expansion draft. (Can only protect 1 more after 8, 55)

I do NOT believe Chytil, Krav or Nils in play. But Gorts does not tell me much lately.

NYR really do not need to fix LHD this season.
Don't let 6 weeks, in winter, confuse that rebuild still only midway
After Exp draft, and Hank, Shatt, Staal, Smith deals expired, and various kids make strides '20-21, THEN worry about tweaking roster to contend.

I disagree about Rangers not needing to fix LHD. It would be negligent to not get Trouba a better partner. There is too much invested there, to risk it becoming another Rosivzal situation.

 

[Edge]

It was from a week ago.

Henrik Lundqvist, Key to Rangers’ Past Glory, Awaits His Future

(Edited to add)

A Rangers buyout might actually lengthen his NHL career, not shorten it. Some team, somewhere, is going to give him a low $ (I doubt he cares about money) offer and tell him he'll have a chance to compete for a starting position.

I don't think he's done either way (buyout or no).

Seems like such a shame to play for a random middle of the pack team, on a low salary, with the hope that maybe you can wrestle the starting job long enough to be a middle of the pack starter.

I know that’s never how the player sees it, but it’s nice when the ending is clean and doesn’t have some epilogue in a forgotten destination where everyone later admits the story was already over and the last part was anticlimactic.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Stevens has bailed on each of his last 2 jobs.
What exactly has he accomplished as a coach anyway?

 

[Kovalev27]

3 years takes him right to Free Agency, so no.

Why do you think these kids are signing those contracts?

 

[Kovalev27]

It was from a week ago.

Henrik Lundqvist, Key to Rangers’ Past Glory, Awaits His Future

(Edited to add)

A Rangers buyout might actually lengthen his NHL career, not shorten it. Some team, somewhere, is going to give him a low $ (I doubt he cares about money) offer and tell him he'll have a chance to compete for a starting position.

I don't think he's done either way (buyout or no).

And those very few teams looking for a starting goalie Have more options this summer than I can ever remember. Hank will be one of the lowest men on the totem pole. Just don’t think it’s going to be worth it for him.

 

[bobbop]

Why do you think these kids are signing those contracts?

Most have four years until UFA. McAvoy, Tkachuk etc,