Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[Kovalev27]

The rangers just need to be patient with their OWN LD prospects. They have the pieces coming to be very solid for a long time. Miller Robertson Lindgren Hajek alone are all impressive young kids.

we spent money on Trouba we went out and got Fox and a DeAngelo we have to be smart with the left side.

 

[SA16]

The main issue with Reirden is he had a terrible goalie. The caps were a bad defensive team in their SC year under Trotz too.

 

[Tawnos]

The rangers just need to be patient with their OWN LD prospects. They have the pieces coming to be very solid for a long time. Miller Robertson Lindgren Hajek alone are all impressive young kids.

we spent money on Trouba we went out and got Fox and a DeAngelo we have to be smart with the left side.

This is why I’m interested in players like Brodin, Murray, Nurse, and Lindholm. Because it gives us a big improvement for the current team, the ability to let prospects develop naturally, without locking them into a long term commitment.

 

[Fitzy]

as long as the player doesn’t have a full blown NTC i think the Rangers are safe.

Let’s hope this doesn’t turn into a Zubov II situation. The Rangers lose Zubov and for the rest of his career the Rangers realized they really could have used him.

Well I certainly hope they don't trade ADA for a 29 year old who wants to float around playing pond hockey for two years before turning the effort back on again after leaving NYR.

Robitaille should be sending us all yearly apology cards for that embarrassment.

 

[TopShelf86]

The rangers just need to be patient with their OWN LD prospects. They have the pieces coming to be very solid for a long time. Miller Robertson Lindgren Hajek alone are all impressive young kids.

we spent money on Trouba we went out and got Fox and a DeAngelo we have to be smart with the left side.

Agreed...just have to stick it out one more year and in the meantime the prospects will get their seasoning.
No reason to go out and spend when trouba gets 8 and tony gets a raise

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Enough with the LHD acquisitions its going to mess up expansion protection and you have K. Miller, Robertson, Reunnenan, Hajek all in the pipeline fighting for somewhere between 1-2 spots depending on what they do with Smith. There might not even be an AHL season this year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Enough with the LHD acquisitions its going to mess up expansion protection and you have K. Miller, Robertson, Reunnenan, Hajek all in the pipeline fighting for somewhere between 1-2 spots depending on what they do with Smith. There might not even be an AHL season this year.

not all of those guys will play here and they can work their way around expansion.

getting a LD who is several years into their career makes a shit load more sense than relying on guys with no nhl experience to step in an eat significant minutes right away.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That goes for all offensive D.

You're still using a 3 game sample as your primary argument. I guess the Blues should flip us Parayko for a 4th because he was bad in the Vancouver series.

Stop trying to make this about 3 games. It's about the fact that he can't play effective defense. Yes he was horrible in those games, most of the team was, but his play in his own end wasn't any worse than it was all year, it just showed up more because he was terrible offensively too. What i was pointing out was just that, when the offense dries up the defensive problems are front and center, but as long as Tony gets an assist here or there it's glossed over. When he isn't scoring he is better off on the bench, you can't pay a guy 5 mill long term for that. I'm fine having him on a short deal but we need to move him for something that fits our needs more than a 5 mill 3rd pair offensive dman.
Also, not all offensive defensemen can't play d, thanks for pointing out Paraynko, as he can play both ends of the ice, same with Werenski, people were dumping on his offense for a while but his own end was fine, there is a massive difference between those players and Deangelo.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

not all of those guys will play here and they can work their way around expansion.

getting a LD who is several years into their career makes a shit load more sense than relying on guys with no nhl experience to step in an eat significant minutes right away.

But 2020-21 is not the year to do this. We don't even know when the season will start and in what capacity. There are teams in the West that literally can't play because of covid in their areas.

Next year is an audition year for the LHDs to see who is where and then work it out from there. Between four rookies one can take a spot.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

But 2020-21 is not the year to do this. We don't even know when the season will start and in what capacity. There are teams in the West that literally can't play because of covid in their areas.

Next year is an audition year for the LHDs to see who is where and then work it out from there. Between four rookies one can take a spot.

Or maybe they don't and thats fine too, we still have Smith, Lindgren and Staal signed this year. We are 2 years from competing for anything anyway.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

How would people feel about inquiring about Lars Eller to help with the center ice position? What would it cost?

Can a deal of Buch + Hajek for Eller and draft picks work?

 

[Vitto79]

Or maybe they don't and thats fine too, we still have Smith, Lindgren and Staal signed this year. We are 2 years from competing for anything anyway.

I do agree they need a few more years to really compete anyway

With that said if a Vince Dunn is avail for picks , prospects why not get him ?

Miller . Robertson , Jones can simmer for a few years instead of rushing them

W the expansion draft a year away yes then you deal TDA for a young 2C

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Stop trying to make this about 3 games. It's about the fact that he can't play effective defense. Yes he was horrible in those games, most of the team was, but his play in his own end wasn't any worse than it was all year, it just showed up more because he was terrible offensively too. What i was pointing out was just that, when the offense dries up the defensive problems are front and center, but as long as Tony gets an assist here or there it's glossed over. When he isn't scoring he is better off on the bench, you can't pay a guy 5 mill long term for that. I'm fine having him on a short deal but we need to move him for something that fits our needs more than a 5 mill 3rd pair offensive dman.
Also, not all offensive defensemen can't play d, thanks for pointing out Paraynko, as he can play both ends of the ice, same with Werenski, people were dumping on his offense for a while but his own end was fine, there is a massive difference between those players and Deangelo.

LOL no it was clearly worse in those games because he could barely move out there. It was clear as f***ing day to anyone watching with out biased eyes and was later confirmed by our FO that he had a hamstring injury. The only thing this clarified is just how bad Staal is when Tony can't carry him around (most of us knew this already.)

I don't know what he did to you (if he was mean to you on twitter, just be glad he didn't try to fight you) but holy shit... Also I wasn't the one who brought up the 3 games, you were.

Your argument is horrible. An offensive D isn't worth a lot if his forwards aren't producing - ground breaking analysis there. Whats next? Defensive D aren't worth anything if their goalie sucks? Parayko is a player of whom I am a HUGE fan of. He had a rough series against Vancouver - That was the only point I was trying to make since you're fixated on DeAngelo's performance against the Canes.

When he isn't scoring he's still contributing massively to transition which is a huge part of offensive production, even if he doesn't get credit for a point. I would rather have that than a guy who blocks a shot on a play that only occurred because he gave away the puck to begin with and gets painted as a "great defensive player."

Also he was 3rd amongst our D in TOI. That doesn't make him a third pair D no matter how hard you want to believe it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But 2020-21 is not the year to do this. We don't even know when the season will start and in what capacity. There are teams in the West that literally can't play because of covid in their areas.

Next year is an audition year for the LHDs to see who is where and then work it out from there. Between four rookies one can take a spot.

The spot currently occupied by the Staalbatross? Yes.

The spot next to Trouba? I would say no. Thats still a massive hole that needs to be patched and I very much doubt that any of our guys are going to be able to handle that role anytime soon.

 

[pld459666]

Quinn is no where close to getting replaced.

Foolish to think otherwise

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think with TDA you bridge him and keep him on the team. His personality isn't for everyone but honestly, a lot of athletes don't have personalities we would love.

He was wonderful in the regular season.

The question with him and I think where he deserves one more shot if not two, the old Mike Keenan test; is he great in the regular season and can't grind in the playoffs, or can he adjust his game?

You don't have to be Hal Gill or Jeff Beukeboom to be a playoff warrior, just toughen up and adapt your style. Anton Stralman never put anyone through walls but he was always solid in the postseason.

Every organization/program has to weed the guys who can handle the postseason to guys who can't. That's why every team that wins has some vets who know what it takes.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if a team like Edmonton immediately jumps into the OEL race allowing someone like Klefbom to be more available for help up front.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The spot currently occupied by the Staalbatross? Yes.

The spot next to Trouba? I would say no. Thats still a massive hole that needs to be patched and I very much doubt that any of our guys are going to be able to handle that role anytime soon.

There needs to be extreme patience with the Trouba spot. Can't go all in next year when this team has a lot of dead weight and isn't ready to contend. Plus you can't trade a lot of your assets for a guy with only 1-2 years left with covid looming. No one knew McD would become McD until Staal was hurt, so I think internally you give the kids a shot.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There needs to be extreme patience with the Trouba spot. Can't go all in next year when this team has a lot of dead weight and isn't ready to contend. Plus you can't trade a lot of your assets for a guy with only 1-2 years left with covid looming. No one knew McD would become McD until Staal was hurt, so I think internally you give the kids a shot.

McD was groomed in an ideal situation where he got plenty of time in lower leverage minutes before he stepped up and took those hard minutes. I'm not arguing against that.

Our problem is with the long term contracts we've handed out and the ELC's that won't be ELC's forever, the smart move would be to try and push some of our chips forward to give this group a chance to win before the tough decisions have to be made (We'll be able to keep the guys we want to keep, but we're going to end up losing a ton of support players.) We have some time, but we don't have a ton of it.

I forget who said it, but if you wait for the perfect opportunity to do something, you may end up missing out all together.

 

[Minmonster]

We are currently at 24th. If Islanders, Canucks, or Stars win their series we move up 1 spot for each.

Clear and concise thank you

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

McD was groomed in an ideal situation where he got plenty of time in lower leverage minutes before he stepped up and took those hard minutes. I'm not arguing against that.

Our problem is with the long term contracts we've handed out and the ELC's that won't be ELC's forever, the smart move would be to try and push some of our chips forward to give this group a chance to win before the tough decisions have to be made (We'll be able to keep the guys we want to keep, but we're going to end up losing a ton of support players.) We have some time, but we don't have a ton of it.

I forget who said it, but if you wait for the perfect opportunity to do something, you may end up missing out all together.

This group as currently constructed isn't going to win anything other than the hearts of their significant others. Rebuilds take 3-5 years and this is entering year 3. Cut the dead weight, and make some good minor moves this offseason (Nieto/Shearey someone to beef up the bottom 6). You have bad contracts (and the Shattenkirk buyout max) + a flat cap + expansion draft + covid to deal with. You have a coach who may not even be here in twelve months. This is not the year to go all in.

It's not about being perfect I agree but it's about maximizing chances to win and lets be real, the 2009-10 Rangers which were probably the worst of all the post-lockout teams prior to rebuild would spank this group.

Going all in now is like when Phil Esposito tried to do that while he was GM here with some very bad teams.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This group as currently constructed isn't going to win anything other than the hearts of their significant others. Rebuilds take 3-5 years and this is entering year 3. Cut the dead weight, and make some good minor moves this offseason (Nieto/Shearey someone to beef up the bottom 6). You have bad contracts (and the Shattenkirk buyout max) + a flat cap + expansion draft + covid to deal with. You have a coach who may not even be here in twelve months. This is not the year to go all in.

It's not about being perfect I agree but it's about maximizing chances to win and lets be real, the 2009-10 Rangers which were probably the worst of all the post-lockout teams prior to rebuild would spank this group.

Going all in now is like when Phil Esposito tried to do that while he was GM here with some very bad teams.

I said some chips, not all of them.

we’re pretty loaded depth wise in the system where we can survive this.

 

[bobbop]

For the record not advocating this. Just interesting. That would be a tough contract to move. 29 years old with 7 years remaining at $8.25.

OEL has been an underachiever for much of his career. He certainly has has flashes but the only reason he got that contract was the Coyotes couldn’t afford to let him get near free agency. Good, not great player.

 

[NYR Viper]

The type of move that makes sense is finding a guy who may be a UFA soon that fits the team. The McDonagh trade is a good example from TB’s perspective. They didn’t move any prime assets. Howden and Hajek were secondary for them. They then re-signed McDonagh.

The Rangers have A LOT of secondary assets they could move for the right guy. The key is finding that guy.

 

[Kovalev27]

Now I will say this there is an argument to be made (not saying I agree with it but I see it as a valid argument)

to trade for Vince Dunn since he’s the most recent flavor of the week IF and ONLY IF

1. you have decided to trade DeAngelo because you don’t want to tie up more money on the right side and feel you don’t want to limit offensive opportunities for Fox and Trouba while being certain Lundkvist is a player.
2. You are getting a young center in return and saying goodbye to Ryan Strome in the process.