Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[NYR]

Almost all coaches ride their top 3 lines pretty hard and use their 4th sparingly at ES. A 4th line these days is a hodgepodge of guys who either PK, play enforcer or are some other kind of specialty player (like a FO ace.) Yes ideally, you want good hockey players who can do these things well in those roles, but if we're being honest outside from Lemieux, we didn't have any, save the 2 games from Gettinger who killed it and then was never heard from again.

4th line even strength usage will not change. We need better players there, Im in agreement there but I don't think you can blame the coach for not having the pieces for that line. Sounds like your beef should be with Gorton.

More video game BS.
I don't even know how you come up with this nonsense lol.
Too not have a functioning 4th line in today's NHL is nothing short of idiotic
@Ola

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

More video game BS.
I don't even know how you come up with this nonsense lol.
Too not have a functioning 4th line in today's NHL is nothing short of idiotic
@Ola

Apparently you DONT know how to read.

 

[NYR]

Apparently you DONT know how to read.

"Almost all coaches ride their top 3 lines pretty hard and use their 4th sparingly at ES. A 4th line these days is a hodgepodge of guys who either PK, play enforcer or are some other kind of specialty player (like a FO ace.)"

Ya.. This was 7 years ago, Bro

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

"Almost all coaches ride their top 3 lines pretty hard and use their 4th sparingly at ES. A 4th line these days is a hodgepodge of guys who either PK, play enforcer or are some other kind of specialty player (like a FO ace.)"

Ya.. This was 7 years ago, Bro

nah it happens now brah.

find me a team that runs their 4th line as much as there others at even strength.

guess you missed the part where I said you want good players at those spots and not just some random bodies but you miss a lot of things so I shouldn’t be surprised.

How’s 20 ft zibanejad looking these days lmao.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Islander 4th line average TOI in the regular season

Martin: 10:25
Clutterbuck:13:25
Cizikas: 14:18

Isles top 3 forwards TOI

Barzal: 20:03
Nelson: 18:52
Lee: 18:18

Yup, evenly distributed ice time lol.

Before you ask, the next 3 are all in the 17+ minute range.

Then we have the guys like Uncle Leo, Ross Johnston and Khunhackl who sub in every now and then who come in with a sterling 12:36, 7:39 and 11:18.

I mean if you're going to take the tone that you take and be an ass about it, the least you can do is do your research.

Now Martin is the enforcer (though he sucks now) Clutterbuck and Cizikas both kill penalties pretty well. Cizikas, overpaid as he may be, is a really solid 4th line player. Kind of follows the template that I was suggesting this team use when building their 4th line, so you agree with me even though you don't know it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Doubtful for the Carolina pick.

But if the Rangers landed a second? Yeah, he could potentially be in play.

He's getting drafted in the 1st round you can bank on that.

 

[egelband]

Honestly, i'm rather keep DeAngelo than get Monahan. Just my opinion

Me too. I know he’s not a perfect fit since we have three good RD but I think that can be managed. There’s a lot of special teams and mixing and matching. On paper it doesn’t look ideal but in practice it appears to work out fine. We can cross the Lundkvist bridge when we get to it.

 

[NYR]

Islander 4th line average TOI in the regular season

Martin: 10:25
Clutterbuck:13:25
Cizikas: 14:18

Isles top 3 forwards TOI

Barzal: 20:03
Nelson: 18:52
Lee: 18:18

Yup, evenly distributed ice time lol.

Before you ask, the next 3 are all in the 17+ minute range.

Then we have the guys like Uncle Leo, Ross Johnston and Khunhackl who sub in every now and then who come in with a sterling 12:36, 7:39 and 11:18.

I mean if you're going to take the tone that you take and be an ass about it, the least you can do is do your research.

Now Martin is the enforcer (though he sucks now) Clutterbuck and Cizikas both kill penalties pretty well. Cizikas, overpaid as he may be, is a really solid 4th line player. Kind of follows the template that I was suggesting this team use when building their 4th line, so you agree with me even though you don't know it.

Islanders outwork Capitals for Game 2 win

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Literally 0% since he is under contract and cannot sign an NHL deal until his season ends.

The transfer agreement does not apply here as the deadline to sign EU players already under contract, which is what the transfer agreement covers, is July 15th

Maybe he quits on his SEL team because he’s playing too many videos games and not getting proper rest, and come to the NYR on a loan agreement?

 

[MrAlmost]

Any chance the predators move Austin Watson? That could be an interesting move. Might be a little too expensive though.

 

[n8]

Supposing we trade Strome, would anyone sign Galchenyuk to a 2 year $5.5M contract ($2.75AAV)? It could be one of those wild gamble plays that also gets us someone we can expose.
I do think we end up giving Strome a short term deal and stick with him - potentially moving him per expansion draft.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Me too. I know he’s not a perfect fit since we have three good RD but I think that can be managed. There’s a lot of special teams and mixing and matching. On paper it doesn’t look ideal but in practice it appears to work out fine. We can cross the Lundkvist bridge when we get to it.

It's not the Lunkdvist bridge most are trying to cross its the lack of LD and a replacement 2c. Take from your area of strength to fill holes in the roster. It makes no sesne to have 3 top 4 right dmen and 0 top 4 left dmen. This team will go nowhere until that is addressed. Personally i wanna sign short deals to deangelo and strome and possibly move them after next year when we get a better idea what they are and what Miller, Barron, Kakko, lindqvist, Kravtsov, Robertson, Jones and Lafrienierre are as players.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Supposing we trade Strome, would anyone sign Galchenyuk to a 2 year $5.5M contract ($2.75AAV)? It could be one of those wild gamble plays that also gets us someone we can expose.
I do think we end up giving Strome a short term deal and stick with him - potentially moving him per expansion draft.

At this point, he's not a gamble, he's a lock to disappoint.

 

[Waivers]

No this happened during the regular season too.

Adam Fox was our TOI leader for the last 25 games of the season.

Edit: 5v5

Do you have a link to this statistic for the last 25 games of the NHL season where Fox led our defenseman in 5v5 ATOI? So, Trouba led the Rangers in 5v5 ATOI for defenseman for the first 45 games, and the following 25 games after, Fox led the D core for 5v5 ATOI?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Do you have a link to this statistic for the last 25 games of the NHL season where Fox led our defenseman in 5v5 ATOI? So, Trouba led the Rangers in 5v5 ATOI for defenseman for the first 45 games, and the following 25 games after, Fox led the D core for 5v5 ATOI?

Correct.

Lindgren-Fox started to match up against the top lines more often for the last 2 months of the season. This also happened to be the time that the team turned things around but there are more elements to their improvement than just that (Shesty, the PP went bonkers, going from worst defensive team in the league to just a bad defensive team, etc.)

 

[kovazub94]

Correct.

Lindgren-Fox started to match up against the top lines more often for the last 2 months of the season. This also happened to be the time that the team turned things around but there are more elements to their improvement than just that (Shesty, the PP went bonkers, going from worst defensive team in the league to just a bad defensive team, etc.)

I’m glad you made a note of other circumstances. I’d add how about the fact that the team got tired of expecting Skjei to raise his level of play and after his trade Trouba was paired with Smith who spent majority of his time right before that as a forward on the forth line. Surely his promotion to pair with Trouba had an impact on the amount of ice time this pair (Trouba) got and the “beneficiary” of Trouba’s reduced time was Fox, no?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m glad you made a note of other circumstances. I’d add how about the fact that the team got tired of expecting Skjei to raise his level of play and after his trade Trouba was paired with Smith who spent majority of his time right before that as a forward on the forth line. Surely his promotion to pair with Trouba had an impact on the amount of ice time this pair (Trouba) got and the “beneficiary” of Trouba’s reduced time was Fox, no?

Maybe, but what ever it was, Trouba's numbers actually improved once this happened (at least the analytics, which had been trending upwards before this anyway) but Fox crushed it with the added responsibility.

The majority of these games came before the Skjei trade but slotting that pairing down because of performance is a good point.

 

[egelband]

It's not the Lunkdvist bridge most are trying to cross its the lack of LD and a replacement 2c. Take from your area of strength to fill holes in the roster. It makes no sesne to have 3 top 4 right dmen and 0 top 4 left dmen. This team will go nowhere until that is addressed. Personally i wanna sign short deals to deangelo and strome and possibly move them after next year when we get a better idea what they are and what Miller, Barron, Kakko, lindqvist, Kravtsov, Robertson, Jones and Lafrienierre are as players.

Fair enough, but it’s the perceived logjam that’s spurring people to want to move ADA. Whether they consider that logjam a problem in itself or found money to make a move with.

Also, I don’t feel 2C is an urgent need to fill.
If it were, I’d be looking at moving Buch or obviously Strome first, or other assets. I don’t think 2C needs to be a player much better than Strome, even. Maybe a different style player, though.
Anyhow, beyond all that, I think ADA is a special and unique player. And I want to keep those kinds of guys and try to make it work. To me, 3 Top Four RD is not ideal, for sure, but it can be managed.

Of course the FO should be always listening. I just wouldn’t be rushing into anything. Short deals for all is also totally fine. I am not terribly concerned with who’s signed for how long. Just as long as they don’t give out any bad long term deals.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Supposing we trade Strome, would anyone sign Galchenyuk to a 2 year $5.5M contract ($2.75AAV)? It could be one of those wild gamble plays that also gets us someone we can expose.
I do think we end up giving Strome a short term deal and stick with him - potentially moving him per expansion draft.

Galchenyuk is realllyyyy bad. I wouldn't.

 

[JC704]

It's incredibly odd why Rangers wants to move Ryan Strome, especially when he is due an (earned) raise that is likely not going to break the bank salary cap wise.

 

[TopShelf86]

It's incredibly odd why Rangers wants to move Ryan Strome, especially when he is due an (earned) raise that is likely not going to break the bank salary cap wise.

I have no problem with Strome if the price is right for another year maybe 2 while they sort out who the long term 2C is.
Meantime he plays with Panarin and increases his trade value and grows more under Quinn.
It would be perfect if they could draft the right center that's 2 years away from the big club and step right in when Strone leaves.

 

[egelband]

It's incredibly odd why Rangers wants to move Ryan Strome, especially when he is due an (earned) raise that is likely not going to break the bank salary cap wise.

I think the trade talk is just fan musing. But have there been any rumors about moving Strome? I imagine they’ll give him a one year deal or two if he wants a little security. But it won’t be big money and won’t be longterm. Too much uncertainty on both sides and not much cap room.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lame

Don't shoot the messenger

 

[GAGLine]

It's incredibly odd why Rangers wants to move Ryan Strome, especially when he is due an (earned) raise that is likely not going to break the bank salary cap wise.

We have cap issues. Something will have to give. I've said it before, but I could see Strome signing his 3.2 mil QO.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Fair enough, but it’s the perceived logjam that’s spurring people to want to move ADA. Whether they consider that logjam a problem in itself or found money to make a move with.

Also, I don’t feel 2C is an urgent need to fill.
If it were, I’d be looking at moving Buch or obviously Strome first, or other assets. I don’t think 2C needs to be a player much better than Strome, even. Maybe a different style player, though.
Anyhow, beyond all that, I think ADA is a special and unique player. And I want to keep those kinds of guys and try to make it work. To me, 3 Top Four RD is not ideal, for sure, but it can be managed.

Of course the FO should be always listening. I just wouldn’t be rushing into anything. Short deals for all is also totally fine. I am not terribly concerned with who’s signed for how long. Just as long as they don’t give out any bad long term deals.

I agree about Deangelo being offensively gifted. The problem is he is below average on d and if the offense dries up a bit you are left with a smallish, though fiesty version of Tyson Barrie. I know our team wasn't good in the post season outside of a handful of players but Deangelo's game was an example of what you are left with if the offense dries up. He is a wonderful skater, great passer, and can sneak in back door with the best of them but personally I'd wanna see what we could get for him in his career year considering we have enough players in his position to make that move. If we can't get something that makes us stronger in another area I'm fine keeping him on a short term deal and kicking the can down the road.