Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[huerter]

I definitely agree with Ola when it comes to Quinns quotes about not having a shoot first mentality or whatever. That was not a reason for why this team struggled but Quinn always cited it.

 

[Gargyn]

I'm arguing that

As am I. Guess it is arguable after all. Weird.

 

[Fitzy]

Its that he’s likely to be in line behind Kakko and Kravtsov on the right side long term, but after this coming season will demand a long term contract extension that will not suit our pay scale if he does indeed end up a third line RW. Even if he stays as a second line wing (presume that Kravtsov busts), it would take a real stretch for him to be more important to our long term success than Panarin, Kakko, and Lafreniere. And even if he ends up being more important or better than Kreider, we’ve already chosen to pay Kreider. Then there is also paying Zibanejad and some day either Chytil or another 2C.

If Buch can be re-upped for $3m, fine, but chances are he gets more like the $6m that Kreider got.

Which means he’s unaffordable to us and we cannot lock ourselves into that contract, which means it’s likely that we should look to trade him before he hits the market and walks for nothing.

It’s not an indictment of Buch as quality depth; I’d love to keep him as a long term 2RW/3RW, but he’s just going to be unaffordable.

If the reason we trade Buchnevich is because of future cap considerations, then i'd be more amenable to using him with the Carolina pick to trade up and draft Lundell then to go out and get yet another 25 year old right winger with more 'sandpaper', as some here are suggesting.

 

[Rangers394]

This DeAngelo argument is still going on? Lol

 

[duhmetreE]

Its that he’s likely to be in line behind Kakko and Kravtsov on the right side long term, but after this coming season will demand a long term contract extension that will not suit our pay scale if he does indeed end up a third line RW. Even if he stays as a second line wing (presume that Kravtsov busts), it would take a real stretch for him to be more important to our long term success than Panarin, Kakko, and Lafreniere. And even if he ends up being more important or better than Kreider, we’ve already chosen to pay Kreider. Then there is also paying Zibanejad and some day either Chytil or another 2C.

If Buch can be re-upped for $3m, fine, but chances are he gets more like the $6m that Kreider got.

Which means he’s unaffordable to us and we cannot lock ourselves into that contract, which means it’s likely that we should look to trade him before he hits the market and walks for nothing.

It’s not an indictment of Buch as quality depth; I’d love to keep him as a long term 2RW/3RW, but he’s just going to be unaffordable.

It's also an indictment to the teams makeup. We cannot have a top9 of offensive players that dont contribute defensively/PK/grind. We need to have a much better balance.

 

[mas0764]

I'm not the one arguing DeAngelo should be retained at $5M+ as a "driver of offense"

Yeah but your argument that a percentage of his points come from just handing it off to Panarin and that every other D in the league could do the same, requires context or it’s worthless. How many points do the other top defenders get from similar passes?

 

[Rangers394]

Would anybody be interested in Turcotte from LA? I noticed LA doesn't have many wing prospects but they do have a few centers over there and will likely add another with Byfield. We have the opposite. Would Kravstov for Turcotte make sense? Not sure how the value looks.

 

[Thirty One]

Would anybody be interested in Turcotte from LA? I noticed LA doesn't have many wing prospects but they do have a few centers over there and will likely add another with Byfield. We have the opposite. Would Kravstov for Turcotte make sense? Not sure how the value looks.

Value is heavily in our favor.

 

[kovazub94]

If the reason we trade Buchnevich is because of future cap considerations, then i'd be more amenable to using him with the Carolina pick to trade up and draft Lundell then to go out and get yet another 25 year old right winger with more 'sandpaper', as some here are suggesting.

Call spade a spade. If it’s about future cap considerations then it’s a less skilled / lower quality right winger.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers trade DeAngelo for a center I think I’d roll the dice on Montour if Buffalo would trade him for next to nothing. He’s a RFA and I’m not sure they’re keen on signing him. Or if he reaches UFA I’d think about giving him a 2 year deal as a show-me and an opportunity for him on what should be an offensive powerhouse. He’d be a nice 3RD and he plays that ‘rover’ style

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Okay so once we get a start date for the season, what are the chances that we sign Nils (if hes still here) and get him over for camp?

Literally 0% since he is under contract and cannot sign an NHL deal until his season ends.

The transfer agreement does not apply here as the deadline to sign EU players already under contract, which is what the transfer agreement covers, is July 15th

 

[bbny]

Would Kravtsov+ to Buffalo for their #8 make sense? If Lundell is there?

I'd obviously would be fine with Rossi too.

edit -
Buffalo gets their top line
Skinner Eichel Kravtsov

We get our line
Lafreniere/Panarin Lundell Kakko

So draft Kravtsov #9, have him develop for 2 years and look good doing so, then trade him for #8. How long do we have to wait for Lundell?

I'd pass. I'd like to either see how Kravtsov does here or if he's traded, it's for legitimate players now.

 

[gravey9]

If the Rangers trade DeAngelo for a center I think I’d roll the dice on Montour if Buffalo would trade him for next to nothing. He’s a RFA and I’m not sure they’re keen on signing him. Or if he reaches UFA I’d think about giving him a 2 year deal as a show-me and an opportunity for him on what should be an offensive powerhouse. He’d be a nice 3RD and he plays that ‘rover’ style

There's a big rumor that Montour is going to become a UFA because the Sabres may not qualify him. We'll see. But I want to make sure whoever we sign is a steadying force on the left side. We need a stalwart who can play against the best opposition forwards so that we're not developing Miller and Robertson the way we developed Skjei.

 

[NYSPORTS]

This DeAngelo argument is still going on? Lol

Plus offense, suspect defense, cap, his age, team dynamics . . . there is a lot to debate.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So draft Kravtsov #9, have him develop for 2 years and look good doing so, then trade him for #8. How long do we have to wait for Lundell?

I'd pass. I'd like to either see how Kravtsov does here or if he's traded, it's for legitimate players now.

Bingo!!!! - this team needs a Center now. Team speaks highly about Howden but, gee, tough to be comfortable IMO.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Bingo!!!! - this team needs a Center now. Team speaks highly about Howden but, gee, tough to be comfortable IMO.

Howden cannot be a top 6 center. He was never going to be before he was in the NHL(I tracked his progress beforehand when he was a Tampa prospect and never saw high ceiling personally) and he really hasn’t proven anything while here besides the fact that he looks outmatched most of the time.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Does anyone think Gorton might be tempted to take Morgan's brother with the carolina pick? Dman with Halifax.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Does anyone think Gorton might be tempted to take Morgan's brother with the carolina pick? Dman with Halifax.

I don't think he's a realistic target with the players on the board in that range, but he's a talented kid.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Does anyone think Gorton might be tempted to take Morgan's brother with the carolina pick? Dman with Halifax.

No.

He fell off the map this year.

 

[Fitzy]

Plus offense, suspect defense, cap, his age, team dynamics . . . there is a lot to debate.

It's a very big decision and, along with Georgiev, is one of the few that needs to be made this offseason

 

[Edge]

Does anyone think Gorton might be tempted to take Morgan's brother with the carolina pick? Dman with Halifax.

Doubtful for the Carolina pick.

But if the Rangers landed a second? Yeah, he could potentially be in play.

 

[Ola]

Would anybody be interested in Turcotte from LA? I noticed LA doesn't have many wing prospects but they do have a few centers over there and will likely add another with Byfield. We have the opposite. Would Kravstov for Turcotte make sense? Not sure how the value looks.

I think Turcotte had a bit of a meh year last season, but I definitely love his fundamentals. That natural center smarts and skating is a rare combination.

I don’t think he is ready for the NHL this season, so it wouldn’t be a now-trade. Generally I think we rush these kids way to much, and I wonder if this isn’t the case more than ever. The higher the competition gets in hockey, the harder it will be for kids to compete with guys in their prime. It’s simple logic. Go back 20-30 years in Soccer and teenagers could do a lot of damage, now it’s very rare that one of the absolute top teams regularly plays someone like younger than 21-22 y/o. It will become like that in hockey too, even more so since it’s such a complex sport.

When you draft someone you got to expect that they are 4-5 years away. Nothing else will cut it. This is a topic that is subject to extreme confirmation bias. It can feel like everyone around us regularly are lead by kids. But more often than not players need time to get going.

I think Turcotte potentially could be a great fit with Kakko for example and if LAK feels they got too many centers (I don’t think they will, don’t think there is such thing as too many centers on a team in hockey), I definitely think Gorts should make the investment. I would do Kravy and Nils and not think twice about it.

 

[Ola]

Does anyone think Gorton might be tempted to take Morgan's brother with the carolina pick? Dman with Halifax.

I definitely think many are hoping to snatch him in the second round. I saw him some last season and have checked in on him again this year. Fundamentally he is a 1st round talent for sure. Injuries has kept him back this season but those happens.

Will be a very high value pick if he goes late 1st or the 2nd round.

There is a lot to like about him. Just how he carries himself. He is confident. No nonsense. Smart player. Good lateral movement. Good size.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Literally 0% since he is under contract and cannot sign an NHL deal until his season ends.

The transfer agreement does not apply here as the deadline to sign EU players already under contract, which is what the transfer agreement covers, is July 15th

Lame

 

[gravey9]

I think Turcotte had a bit of a meh year last season, but I definitely love his fundamentals. That natural center smarts and skating is a rare combination.

I don’t think he is ready for the NHL this season, so it wouldn’t be a now-trade. Generally I think we rush these kids way to much, and I wonder if this isn’t the case more than ever. The higher the competition gets in hockey, the harder it will be for kids to compete with guys in their prime. It’s simple logic. Go back 20-30 years in Soccer and teenagers could do a lot of damage, now it’s very rare that one of the absolute top teams regularly plays someone like younger than 21-22 y/o. It will become like that in hockey too, even more so since it’s such a complex sport.

When you draft someone you got to expect that they are 4-5 years away. Nothing else will cut it. This is a topic that is subject to extreme confirmation bias. It can feel like everyone around us regularly are lead by kids. But more often than not players need time to get going.

I think Turcotte potentially could be a great fit with Kakko for example and if LAK feels they got too many centers (I don’t think they will, don’t think there is such thing as too many centers on a team in hockey), I definitely think Gorts should make the investment. I would do Kravy and Nils and not think twice about it.

I feel like Turcotte isn't the right guy to go after right now. He's a bit smaller. And based on what he looked like amongst bigger NCAA players last season, t I think he's a 2-3 years away from being a regular at best.

Regardless I would strongly prefer a stout Center and opposite winger for Panarin. I think Strome and Fast were find for regular season, but come play-in/playoffs, Panarin didn't have nearly as much space vs the Canes. Nowhere near the space he had with CBJ in the previous playoffs. He had Dubois and another bigger guy on the other wing. Guys who can go and retreive the puck and use their bodies which allowed Panarin to stay out of traffic a bit more. If we're going to go the route of trading a lot for another team's top prospect, I'd rather find a different kind of player.

I get that we're going to be a puck possession team. But you can't be a possession team in the playoffs if you can't dominate the boards.