Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[Igor Shestyorkin]

He did break records in Sweden. We don't know if he will better than fox but if he reaches his potential he will be.

Adam Fox was a top 15, arguably top 10 defenseman in the NHL in his rookie season. Metrics shows that. And if you're an eye test, and paid close attention to him, you'd be crazy to not have him in at least your top 20 defenseman. I'm a huge Nils fans but again, those expectations are way too high.

 

[bigdog16]

If Buff offered 8OA, Montour and Pekar for ADA, NYR would have to consider it.
Montour would definitely have value if flipped during season or at TDL. Or if re-signed for 2 years, could be the required D to expose to Seattle.
Maybe ask for rehabbing Huglen as well.
I like McCabe (LD) better than Montour, but he wears a letter and w/b UFA next summer

I think if Buff simply offered the 8th overall for ADA we would have to strongly consider it...And I don't see Buff doing that

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Some info on Montour. Sounds like he bounced around a bit and his style just didn't mesh well with their system. May not be a world beater but as a 3RD? Perhaps he could be had for very little and be a poor-mans Vince Dunn who people have been clamoring over

Exactly. He’s a 5D the Sabres got to be a top four guy, who shouldn’t play shutdown minutes or with someone like Dahlin, because of how he’ll compound the growing defenseman mistakes.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think if Buff simply offered the 8th overall for ADA we would have to strongly consider it...And I don't see Buff doing that

I'm not sure the 8th overall pick is enough for ADA considering the season he just had. I'd be game for a good prospect, 1st + reclamation project like Montour.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The more I think on it, the more I like the idea of offering Fast and Haula contracts to be the veteran utility knife players young teams need. Guys who can play PK, PP, up and down the lineup (in Haula's case, center or wing) and are defensively responsible. They both create havoc on the forecheck and are very good PKers. If that was the path forward I'd be okay with having Haula be the 2/3C for the next 3-4 years while Chytil develops. It would free up Buch or Strome as a trade chip as well.

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zib-Kaako
Lafreniere-Haula-Gauthier/Fast
Lemieux-Howden-Gauthier/Fast

This assumes Buch is traded

Haula for 4 years @ $4m per season
Fast for 3 years @ $3m per season

Haula is like the direct opposite of the type of player we should be targeting. We need size and bite and PK specialist(s)/players who can handle a heavier defensive load.

I don't like the idea of spending 7 mill on those 2 regardless. Maybe it doesn't matter much up front, but thats 7 million we won't have to pay Zibanejad, Kakko, Fox, etc. The only way I'd give fast 3 mill is on a 1 year deal.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think if Buff simply offered the 8th overall for ADA we would have to strongly consider it...And I don't see Buff doing that

I don’t think we would trade ADA for the 8th pick.

If we’re trading ADA it should be for a roster upgrade

 

[NYR Viper]

Haula is like the direct opposite of the type of player we should be targeting. We need size and bite and PK specialist(s)/players who can handle a heavier defensive load.

I don't like the idea of spending 7 mill on those 2 regardless. Maybe it doesn't matter much up front, but thats 7 million we won't have to pay Zibanejad, Kakko, Fox, etc. The only way I'd give fast 3 mill is on a 1 year deal.

If you structure those deals properly it's a moot point because those guys have value around the league. I'm not overly concerned with the next 3-4 years, especially when I start considering it more than possible Strome, Buch and ADA aren't here by then. At which point the team should have plenty of money

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The constant undervaluing of DeAngelo here is baffling.

All of his warts included, hes the kind of player you'd be happy to get with the 8th overall in any draft.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don’t think we would trade ADA for the 8th pick.

If we’re trading ADA it should be for a roster upgrade

In fairness, with the 8th overall pick in this draft, that could be an immediate roster upgrade. Possibly.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In fairness, with the 8th overall pick in this draft, that could be an immediate roster upgrade. Possibly.

8th overalls from every draft since the Crosby draft

Devin Setoguchi
Peter Mueller
Mikkel Boedker
Scott Glennie
Alex Burmistrov
Sean Couturier
Derek Pouliot
Rasmus Ristoleinen
William Nylander
Zach Werenski
Alex Nylander
Casey Skinnyfat
Adam Boqvist
Phillip Broberg

The bolded are the only guys I'd take over DeAngelo. Couturier was the only guy who jumped right into the NHL (Nylander and Werenski were both in the league by year 2 though.)

If you were to redraft his actual draft year, DeAngelo is arguably the best D to come out of that draft.

 

[charliemurphy]

can Georgiev and Canes 1st give the Rangers top 10 pick? or would more have to be added and by what team? not sure what Georgiev's value is although I rather them keep him and hope Hank retires early to go to Sweden.

Minnesota at 9 could be a possible fit? If not Georgiev then maybe Buchnevich to play with Kaprizov but not sure what their cap situation is.

 

[Fitzy]

The constant undervaluing of DeAngelo here is baffling.

All of his warts included, hes the kind of player you'd be happy to get with the 8th overall in any draft.

He is undervalued because he hasn’t played at this level long enough to ensure both the rangers and other interested teams that it wasn’t a fluke season and a half.

That happens with late bloomers. People begin to wonder if it’s a one hit wonder season.

 

[aufheben]

can Georgiev and Canes 1st give the Rangers top 10 pick? or would more have to be added and by what team? not sure what Georgiev's value is although I rather them keep him and hope Hank retires early to go to Sweden.

No.

 

[charliemurphy]

In fairness, with the 8th overall pick in this draft, that could be an immediate roster upgrade. Possibly.

Imagine walking away with both Lafreniere and Lundell.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The more I think on it, the more I like the idea of offering Fast and Haula contracts to be the veteran utility knife players young teams need. Guys who can play PK, PP, up and down the lineup (in Haula's case, center or wing) and are defensively responsible. They both create havoc on the forecheck and are very good PKers. If that was the path forward I'd be okay with having Haula be the 2/3C for the next 3-4 years while Chytil develops. It would free up Buch or Strome as a trade chip as well.

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zib-Kaako
Lafreniere-Haula-Gauthier/Fast
Lemieux-Howden-Gauthier/Fast

This assumes Buch is traded

Haula for 4 years @ $4m per season
Fast for 3 years @ $3m per season

I don't think in a flat cap situation giving Erik Haula that contract is the right thing to do.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He is undervalued because he hasn’t played at this level long enough to ensure both the rangers and other interested teams that it wasn’t a fluke season and a half.

That happens with late bloomers. People begin to wonder if it’s a one hit wonder season.

I don't know if calling him a late bloomer is really accurate. No he didn't step in a shine at 21, but not many do.

He was thought highly enough to be taken in the 1st round and was touted as the best offensive d man in the class who needs work in his own end and is a hot head.

I'd say hes living up to his billing.

 

[DanielBrassard]

He is undervalued because he hasn’t played at this level long enough to ensure both the rangers and other interested teams that it wasn’t a fluke season and a half.

That happens with late bloomers. People begin to wonder if it’s a one hit wonder season.

Well even in 18-19 he was still one of the better offensive defenseman in the entire league. And what you said is also exactly why in any trade including ADA, it's likely we would be on the short end of the value stick.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

The constant undervaluing of DeAngelo here is baffling.

All of his warts included, hes the kind of player you'd be happy to get with the 8th overall in any draft.

For real. He had the second highest xGAR offensively among ALL defenseman in the NHL. His offensive xGAR impacts alone this season were higher than Victor Herman’s entire xGAR over the year.

 

[cwede]

I think if Buff simply offered the 8th overall for ADA we would have to strongly consider it...And I don't see Buff doing that

i know, i agree, was just going along with the discussion...

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

I think if Buff simply offered the 8th overall for ADA we would have to strongly consider it...And I don't see Buff doing that

Why would we give up one of the best offensively oriented defenseman in the entire NHL for an unknown? 8th OA is good but we’re not in a rebuild anymore.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So we've traded DeAngelo and a 1st for 2 30+ year olds who are UFAs in a year and now he doesn't have the value on his own to get a top 10 draft pick....

Yeah, I think its safe to say that his value is being severely shortchanged here.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

would you guys accept these numbers from deangelo if he was to re-sign for the next 3 years?
82 12 31 43
81 13 37 50
82 17 27 44

i think he can do better and this past season although career best may not be a fluke. 24 years old - c'mon sign the guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

would you guys accept these numbers from deangelo if he was to re-sign for the next 3 years?
82 12 31 43
81 13 37 50
82 17 27 44

i think he can do better and this past season although career best may not be a fluke. 24 years old - c'mon sign the guy.

It depends on the contract. If he's at $5m sure. If he's at $7m, no

 

[Rangers394]

8th overalls from every draft since the Crosby draft

Devin Setoguchi
Peter Mueller
Mikkel Boedker
Scott Glennie
Alex Burmistrov
Sean Couturier
Derek Pouliot
Rasmus Ristoleinen
William Nylander
Zach Werenski
Alex Nylander
Casey Skinnyfat
Adam Boqvist
Phillip Broberg

The bolded are the only guys I'd take over DeAngelo. Couturier was the only guy who jumped right into the NHL (Nylander and Werenski were both in the league by year 2 though.)

If you were to redraft his actual draft year, DeAngelo is arguably the best D to come out of that draft.

Some ugly names there, yikes

 

[Rangers394]

Why would we give up one of the best offensively oriented defenseman in the entire NHL for an unknown? 8th OA is good but we’re not in a rebuild anymore.

8th overall is a good start and it's very valuable with this flat cap stuff. Very good young player on an ELC is priceless