Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hampus or Elias?

Just get both

 

[Fitzy]

I dont think we will have cap space to get both a #1 LD and and high end 2c... I would prioritize the LD over 2c. Strome is fine and hopefully chytil will grow into it in the next 1-3 years.

plus if panarin and laf both drive the play, a high end C is less important.

our LD is in shambles for the next 1-2 seasons though and is by far our weakest spot.

It needs to be a real top end guy too, so we can shift Lindgren and Smith down into the 2D and 3D roles that fit them well. A stopgap isn't going to cut it.

I'm talking someone measurably better than Brady Skjei, and that's going to cost a pretty penny. Thankfully we have some expendable assets.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Buffalo already has too many RHD so I dont see a fit for ADA there.

None of their righties are nearly as good as him. Ristolainen sucks. Montour is good as gone for them. Jokiharju isn't even close to TDA's level. Colin Miller had a down year and is also inferior as a player to TDA. I don't think they'd have an issue getting him.

I personally don't want the NYR to trade him but, just saying.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Just get both

Get the 2C and the first-pair LD. All you need is Lindholm.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I dont think we will have cap space to get both a #1 LD and and high end 2c... I would prioritize the LD over 2c. Strome is fine and hopefully chytil will grow into it in the next 1-3 years.

plus if panarin and laf both drive the play, a high end C is less important.

our LD is in shambles for the next 1-2 seasons though and is by far our weakest spot.

If Hank retires and Staal is bought out/also retires, all bets are off.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Get the 2C and the first-pair LD. All you need is Lindholm.

Then go after Oskar Lindblom, sign Olof Lindbom and see Rangers lose their shit

 

[RangersFan1994]

can Georgiev and Canes 1st give the Rangers top 10 pick? or would more have to be added and by what team? not sure what Georgiev's value is although I rather them keep him and hope Hank retires early to go to Sweden.

 

[True Blue]

I hope Lundkvist has an out with his Swede team. Kid is going to be an upgraded Fox and that's saying a lot. He's a stud.

He has not even stepped a toe onto North American ice and now he will be better than Fox?

If TDA goes to Buffalo my guess is in a deal for Reinhart. He doesn't take draws so maybe he's playing wing more than center. Either way, he's tough and hard to play against. He's 24. I could see him be a perfect fit on the wing on the third line. That would mean that they would keep Strome. I do know there were many reports the Rangers loved Cozens and the Sabres have to be desperate to build a winner and Eichel who seems to be losing interest staying there. Maybe TDA, Buchnevich and Chytil for Cozens and the 8th overall.

So first you want to trade a 24 year old, 60 point right defenseman for a third line wing. Then you want to trade away said defenseman, a right wing was was trending to 55 points and a young prospect for nothing more than another prospect and a first round pick? This is what makes sense to you?

Now, most will probably think that is overpayment.

# BecauseItIsADumbIdea

 

[Thirty One]

He has not even stepped a toe onto North American ice and now he will be better than Fox?

So first you want to trade a 24 year old, 60 point right defenseman for a third line wing. Then you want to trade away said defenseman, a right wing was was trending to 55 points and a young prospect for nothing more than another prospect and a first round pick? This is what makes sense to you?

# BecauseItIsADumbIdea

The difference in the way you describe the Rangers versus the Sabres

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

I hope Lundkvist has an out with his Swede team. Kid is going to be an upgraded Fox and that's saying a lot. He's a stud. If TDA goes to Buffalo my guess is in a deal for Reinhart. He doesn't take draws so maybe he's playing wing more than center. Either way, he's tough and hard to play against. He's 24. I could see him be a perfect fit on the wing on the third line. That would mean that they would keep Strome. I do know there were many reports the Rangers loved Cozens and the Sabres have to be desperate to build a winner and Eichel who seems to be losing interest staying there. Maybe TDA, Buchnevich and Chytil for Cozens and the 8th overall. If Eichel truly is going to hold the organization up for ransom. They have to be desperate to win now. Now, most will probably think that is overpayment. I don't. A few reasons. One, those three players would have to be protected for the expansion draft. Two, it gives us a lot more cap flexibility for the future. Three, Cozens is a stud and like Lafrenierre, he's another player built for the playoffs and he's a big time center prospect. Four, the 8th pick can be used on a talented center prospect. If you asked me would we be in better shape 3 years from now with Cozens here than those 3 players and my answer would be yes. Cozens has number 1 center potential and Zibanejad has a history of concussions. They need to find a big time center to carry the load if he's out.

You're way overrating Nils if you think he'll be better than Fox.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

can Georgiev and Canes 1st give the Rangers top 10 pick? or would more have to be added and by what team? not sure what Georgiev's value is although I rather them keep him and hope Hank retires early to go to Sweden.

Probably not.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

As usual you are lost and lack knowledge on our prospects. Lundkvist IMO should have ranked in the top 5 in the prospect rankings. He was ranked low because there is always a anti NY hatred out there. He did things that no d prospect has ever done in that league. He has a chance to be a top 5 defenseman year after year. If you did your research you would know that. Buchnevich, TDA and Chytil to me are players with significant flaws in their games. Cozens could be a number 1 center. His game is rock solid. I don't see any of those 3 guys as long term NYR players. Buffalo is getting desperate because they have to show Eichel they can win now. As usual you trash other posters because you lack vision. Nothing new with you. Now on ignore.

 

[Ruggs225]

If Hank retires and Staal is bought out/also retires, all bets are off.

For this year yes. But we still have to re-sign fox, zbad, kakko, laff, shesty, ada in the next 1-3 years. Also if kravtsov becomes great add him to the mix as well as chytil. Plus buch for good measure.

yes most are rfas, but RFAs are demanding more money.

We already have trouba, panarin and kreider to big contracts. And the cap will not being going up much at all over that time period.

we cant sign a high end 2c that will demand a big contract in a couple years without some serious cap problems. We already might have serious cap problems in 3 years.

Also remember the seattle expansion draft is coming. We pick up someone who is non exempt and we have to lose someone else.

2c is not nearly as bug an issue for us as is LD. Especially when u look at the cap.

sticking with Strome on a 2 year contract is the smart decision.

 

[bigdog16]

As usual you are lost and lack knowledge on our prospects. Lundkvist IMO should have ranked in the top 5 in the prospect rankings. He was ranked low because there is always a anti NY hatred out there. He did things that no d prospect has ever done in that league. He has a chance to be a top 5 defenseman year after year. If you did your research you would know that. Buchnevich, TDA and Chytil to me are players with significant flaws in their games. Cozens could be a number 1 center. His game is rock solid. I don't see any of those 3 guys as long term NYR players. Buffalo is getting desperate because they have to show Eichel they can win now. As usual you trash other posters because you lack vision. Nothing new with you. Now on ignore.

I mean, you did say its your opinion.

My opinion is if you are expecting Nils to have a rookie year equivalent to Fox then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. I think it will take him at least a half season to adjust to the NA game.

 

[Richard Banger]

You're way overrating Nils if you think he'll be better than Fox.

He did break records in Sweden. We don't know if he will better than fox but if he reaches his potential he will be.

 

[Richard Banger]

I mean, you did say its your opinion.

My opinion is if you are expecting Nils to have a rookie year equivalent to Fox then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. I think it will take him at least a half season to adjust to the NA game.

Yeah I think he won't have the same immediate impact that fox had. But IMO I think Nils will be the better Dman.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

As usual you are lost and lack knowledge on our prospects. Lundkvist IMO should have ranked in the top 5 in the prospect rankings. He was ranked low because there is always a anti NY hatred out there. He did things that no d prospect has ever done in that league. He has a chance to be a top 5 defenseman year after year. If you did your research you would know that. Buchnevich, TDA and Chytil to me are players with significant flaws in their games. Cozens could be a number 1 center. His game is rock solid. I don't see any of those 3 guys as long term NYR players. Buffalo is getting desperate because they have to show Eichel they can win now. As usual you trash other posters because you lack vision. Nothing new with you. Now on ignore.

Love Lundkvist and think his game will translate very well in the NHL.

Having said that, how many games have you watched the kid play? Are you as familiar with him as you are with the Russian language?

—Asking for a friend.

 

[NYR Viper]

What are people's opinion of Brandon Montour? I'll be the first to say that I did NOT watch many Buffalo games this season so I am looking to become educated on him. Reclamation project?

Here's where my head is at. If Buffalo were indeed interested in ADA and offered their 1st this year + Montour + ______, would the Rangers be interested, knowing Montour could be a 3RD option for a year or two (perhaps they work out a 2-year deal where they offer him up to Seattle) while Nils plays another year in Sweden. Or perhaps Montour plays well in NY and is moved for help elsewhere.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What are people's opinion of Brandon Montour? I'll be the first to say that I did NOT watch many Buffalo games this season so I am looking to become educated on him. Reclamation project?

Here's where my head is at. If Buffalo were indeed interested in ADA and offered their 1st this year + Montour + ______, would the Rangers be interested, knowing Montour could be a 3RD option for a year or two (perhaps they work out a 2-year deal where they offer him up to Seattle) while Nils plays another year in Sweden. Or perhaps Montour plays well in NY and is moved for help elsewhere.

That + would have to be very significant.

Montour has NOT been good to say the least.

 

[NYR Viper]

The more I think on it, the more I like the idea of offering Fast and Haula contracts to be the veteran utility knife players young teams need. Guys who can play PK, PP, up and down the lineup (in Haula's case, center or wing) and are defensively responsible. They both create havoc on the forecheck and are very good PKers. If that was the path forward I'd be okay with having Haula be the 2/3C for the next 3-4 years while Chytil develops. It would free up Buch or Strome as a trade chip as well.

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zib-Kaako
Lafreniere-Haula-Gauthier/Fast
Lemieux-Howden-Gauthier/Fast

This assumes Buch is traded

Haula for 4 years @ $4m per season
Fast for 3 years @ $3m per season

 

[Zynbanejad]

Where is this TDA to Buffalo talk coming from?

 

[NYR Viper]

That + would have to be very significant.

Montour has NOT been good to say the least.

Say it's Middlestadt (ducks away quickly)

 

[cwede]

... If Buffalo were indeed interested in ADA and offered their 1st this year + Montour + ______, would the Rangers be interested, knowing Montour could be a 3RD option for a year or two (perhaps they work out a 2-year deal where they offer him up to Seattle) while Nils plays another year in Sweden. Or perhaps Montour plays well in NY and is moved for help elsewhere.

That + would have to be very significant. Montour has NOT been good to say the least.

If Buff offered 8OA, Montour and Pekar for ADA, NYR would have to consider it.
Montour would definitely have value if flipped during season or at TDL. Or if re-signed for 2 years, could be the required D to expose to Seattle.
Maybe ask for rehabbing Huglen as well.
I like McCabe (LD) better than Montour, but he wears a letter and w/b UFA next summer

 

[charliemurphy]

I offer sheeted Cirelli in NHL 20 and only had to give up a 2nd rounder. I hope Gorton has the brains to figure this out.

Can't see this happening unless the cap forces teams to put out offer sheets on players.
Is the compensation only a 2nd rounder? We don't have one but if it's for 2021 then why not. Turn right around and trade Strome for help on the bottom lines or LD. Cirelli would be great.

 

[NYR Viper]

The three defensemen with strong analytics were safer chip the puck out guys + Jokiharju, who played with both Scandella and McCabe. Montour’s whole game is skating with the puck in transition, and a more stable player in Dahlin had similar issues adapting to a lower risk system.

He also played a bunch of time on his left side, so he was just completely out of sorts.

Now even with those structural problems, he isn’t particularly noteworthy at either end, and needs either a very good defensive stabilizer or offensive presence to create an effective pairing.

Some info on Montour. Sounds like he bounced around a bit and his style just didn't mesh well with their system. May not be a world beater but as a 3RD? Perhaps he could be had for very little and be a poor-mans Vince Dunn who people have been clamoring over