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Thats why. His dollars are going to be needed to pay other guys unfortunately. Has nothing to do with performance.
I'd love to be rid of some other players instead, but they've all got clauses.
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Thats why. His dollars are going to be needed to pay other guys unfortunately. Has nothing to do with performance.
I'd love to be rid of some other players instead, but they've all got clauses.
It doesn't matter if they keep Kakko or not, they're still going to need those dollars extra for Laf and Miller.
Chytil is a RFA too. If he pops then we're going to need more help than that.
Trade him to Florida in a deal for Lundell now.
Problems solved. No?
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If Trouba doesn't waive then I think the buyout may become a real option. The savings for 23-25 are substantial.
I’ll preface this by saying this isn’t my preference or proposal but something I’ve become increasingly convinced is likely.
The team obviously is going to treat this current core and window as a legit opportunity to win a Cup and build off last year’s run.
Malkin and the Penguins seem to be at an impasse and Malkin has essentially said he’d like to play for MTL or NYR. MTL is not going to be a contender any time soon. NY is viewed as a contender currently. Drury will definitely kick those tires.
And Malkin, although health being an issue, is still a point per game player. Having a chip on his shoulder and playing with Panarin in NYC may reinvigorate both. That said, I’m still not keen on the idea.
However, we have a big reluctance to move any of our high ceiling kids right now and most don’t want to. The asset cost for a Miller, Scheifele, PLD, etc. would be significant. Malkin would only cost a contract so the question becomes very simple - what will Malkin accept to take a shot on a team that is viewed as a contender. Would he take less term if he’s leaving Pittsburgh to make sure he’s happy where he goes rather seeking 4 years like he reportedly wanted from Pittsburgh? Would he take a modest deal to play for a contender with another Russian?
I still think there would be a lot of risk involved, more regarding whether he can stay healthy than his actual skill decline. If he could come in on a 2 year deal it would allow Chytil more runway to keep developing and kick the can on a true center decision down the road for us. I think Malkin, if healthy and motivated CAN be a good 2C for us, but I think it’s unlikely he’d stay healthy and then we’d need to back fill with Chytil/Goodrow, etc.
As I said, I’m not proposing or supporting this, but based on the team’s desire to add a 2C, Malkin’s perceived pedigree and the opportunity to not lose any assets, I can see Drury trying to swing this. This post is more me preparing for Malkin’s ugly ass to be a Ranger than advocacy if for it.
Panarin - Malkin - Kravtsov ? All hall of famers, right Ed?
The team obviously is going to treat this current core and window as a legit opportunity to win a Cup and build off last year’s run.
Malkin and the Penguins seem to be at an impasse and Malkin has essentially said he’d like to play for MTL or NYR. MTL is not going to be a contender any time soon. NY is viewed as a contender currently. Drury will definitely kick those tires.
And Malkin, although health being an issue, is still a point per game player. Having a chip on his shoulder and playing with Panarin in NYC may reinvigorate both. That said, I’m still not keen on the idea.
However, we have a big reluctance to move any of our high ceiling kids right now and most don’t want to. The asset cost for a Miller, Scheifele, PLD, etc. would be significant. Malkin would only cost a contract so the question becomes very simple - what will Malkin accept to take a shot on a team that is viewed as a contender. Would he take less term if he’s leaving Pittsburgh to make sure he’s happy where he goes rather seeking 4 years like he reportedly wanted from Pittsburgh? Would he take a modest deal to play for a contender with another Russian?
I still think there would be a lot of risk involved, more regarding whether he can stay healthy than his actual skill decline. If he could come in on a 2 year deal it would allow Chytil more runway to keep developing and kick the can on a true center decision down the road for us. I think Malkin, if healthy and motivated CAN be a good 2C for us, but I think it’s unlikely he’d stay healthy and then we’d need to back fill with Chytil/Goodrow, etc.
As I said, I’m not proposing or supporting this, but based on the team’s desire to add a 2C, Malkin’s perceived pedigree and the opportunity to not lose any assets, I can see Drury trying to swing this. This post is more me preparing for Malkin’s ugly ass to be a Ranger than advocacy if for it.
Panarin - Malkin - Kravtsov ? All hall of famers, right Ed?
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Oscar Lindberg
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I thought I saw It reported Malkin wants a long term deal, i don’t see how that works here. And they’d have move one of the other big contracts (i.e Kreider or Trouba) to facilitate that
Just too many obstacles to overcome
Just too many obstacles to overcome
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Drury seems to be very shrewd. It wouldn't surprise me for him to bridge Lafreniere and Miller on two year deals next summer, with the *wink wink nudge nudge* idea that they'll get handsome 6 or 7 year deals in 2025. They're the two of the young core I'd definitely invest in long term, but two year bridge deals for both will keep the cap hits down a bit while this team is in the middle of an open contention window.
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3Y?
And I would love to force one of them out, center is a much bigger need for us than LW or D
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Also where is this reporting coming from Malkin wants to either play here or Montreal?
At least with the Rangers I can semi understand but Montreal sucks, why would he want to go there?
At least with the Rangers I can semi understand but Montreal sucks, why would he want to go there?
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Zac Jones is a good prospect but I don't want him as the second pairing LHD opening night without some decent insulation behind him on the 3rd pair that can step up and play those minutes if he struggles. I'd bring Braun back as the 7th that can play competently anywhere on the defensive corps on spot duty when called upon. Alex Edler is another one of those players if Braun doesn't want to come back.
Florida also can't take on any more cap. Even Lindgren's $3 million is going to be too rich for their blood. They need cheap talent on ELC's and to move cap out. Nils Lundkvist for Sam Bennett is the trade that makes sense for both teams.
That quote was from years ago. I'm putting zero stock into it.
Is Malkin a commrade of the motherland? Maybe he's looking to get a longer term contract to get a longer US work visa to avoid having to go back to Russia.
He goes to Florida, NYR, or stays in Pittsburgh. No chance he goes to Montreal at this stage, IMO.
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Edge, before people chased him away, mentioned that, if asked, both would be willing to be dealt to a place of their choice. So, the Rangers would have limited options, but something could be worked out. The NMC is really about having control for the players.
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This information came from an interview his father gave years ago.
Absolutely those are all options. I’m just saying that you better be prepared to move some well liked players or budding kids because we have two of Hornqvist, Motte, and Raffl signed.
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I’m of the opinion that Malkin should be explored but not given a blank check. 2-3 year deal is possible depending on the cap hit and structure of the deal. If he wants 4 years and $7m then obviously it’s a no. If it’s 3 years at $5.5m or even $6m, depending on the structure and clauses associated, it’s possible and should be explored.
Again, my main argument is against those dismissing it as a possibility to be explored. Not automatically saying it’s a slam dunk no matter what.
It’s very possible that Raffl makes $1.3-1.5m and Hornqvist makes $1m. Those are not the contracts that will necessitate those moves. Even Motte, if he’s at $1.75-1.95m isn’t what would make that necessary.
Again, my main argument is against those dismissing it as a possibility to be explored. Not automatically saying it’s a slam dunk no matter what.
It’s very possible that Raffl makes $1.3-1.5m and Hornqvist makes $1m. Those are not the contracts that will necessitate those moves. Even Motte, if he’s at $1.75-1.95m isn’t what would make that necessary.
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Look put the cost aside for a bit.
Of all the players we’ve talked about the last few weeks (Copp, Strome, PDL, Malkin, etc) NO ONE makes the rangers better than Kane does. No one. It’s not even close. I don’t care that he isn’t C.
Some people act like you don’t know how good Kane is. If he’s available, he is target #1.
Davidson is in a tough spot. He got clowned on the Debrincat deal. If he had gotten a better return there, he’d have more leeway with the fans on not getting a killing for Kane, given Kanes control of the situation. That’s out the door now.
Kane is in the driver seat. He knows this team stinks, but he probably doesn’t want this dragging into the regular season. He will give CHI his list of teams this week, and it’ll probably have a deadline to make a deal.
Of all the players we’ve talked about the last few weeks (Copp, Strome, PDL, Malkin, etc) NO ONE makes the rangers better than Kane does. No one. It’s not even close. I don’t care that he isn’t C.
Some people act like you don’t know how good Kane is. If he’s available, he is target #1.
Davidson is in a tough spot. He got clowned on the Debrincat deal. If he had gotten a better return there, he’d have more leeway with the fans on not getting a killing for Kane, given Kanes control of the situation. That’s out the door now.
Kane is in the driver seat. He knows this team stinks, but he probably doesn’t want this dragging into the regular season. He will give CHI his list of teams this week, and it’ll probably have a deadline to make a deal.
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Not to be that guy but when has the whole “player controls the situation” thing ever actually resulted in a paltry return happening for the Rangers?
St Louis only wanted to come here and the Rangers still had to pay out the ass to get him. Eichel seemingly wanted to be here and the Rangers would have had to overpay to get him/no chance to get him at all.
This will be no different, and this has the added detriment of not actually filling a pressing need for the team.
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Somewhat similar but also Completely different situation, he was coming here regardless and everyone knew it from the moment he was drafted
Veryyyy interesting
Kempe has 186 points at this juncture at age 25. Copp has 202 points at age 28. They have similar year by year point total trajectories. Kempe has been trending upward further than Copp while being on teams that were less than competitive in his career compared to Copp who has been on team that were contending for the playoffs every season and then some.
4 x $5 aav should be the max for copp.
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Idk if he is allowed to be posted directly but IncarceratedBob said this morning the Rangers aren’t directly in on Kadri but are monitoring the situation as things progress
So take it for what you will, sounds like Drury to me
So take it for what you will, sounds like Drury to me
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