Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

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We should be all in on Malkin
Everyone complains about our center depth and we have the opportunity to get a generational one who’s Russian, and nobody wants him lmao. 97% WAR this season.

If he’d take a reasonable deal I’m interested. I’ve said it before but Malkin is a very good player. And in a specific role he’d be a really good addition here. Many other ‘older’ players are still high end players. Bergeron. Pavelski. Jagr. Thornton. He’s soon to be 36 but expecting high level production, in the right role, until he’s 38-39 isn’t that far fetched. Also, if it’s structured properly, worst case scenario he could be traded or bought out.

For a guy like Malkin, what is the big concern? It’s injuries. Well if he has enough injuries where he decides to not play, the team can just LTIR him and he gets his money and the team gets the cap space.
 
I just have a weird feeling we’re going to sign Malkin idk why

Yeah, given our history, it is not that far fetched to consider that.

However, it would have to be a 1 year deal. As I understand it, Malkin is looking at a 3-4 year contract.
 
Not saying I want them to but it wouldn’t surprise me if they tried to resurrect another strome career since he won’t be qualified. I don’t think it would be the worst signing esp if it’s a safety net for injuries but really hope if they do sign him I hope it’s not to be a full time middle 6 c. But if they got him with stasny/Malkin on a 1-2 year deal wouldn’t be the worst idea. Esp if they’re able to keep their main assets instead of trading them away for rentals
 
If he’d take a reasonable deal I’m interested. I’ve said it before but Malkin is a very good player. And in a specific role he’d be a really good addition here. Many other ‘older’ players are still high end players. Bergeron. Pavelski. Jagr. Thornton. He’s soon to be 36 but expecting high level production, in the right role, until he’s 38-39 isn’t that far fetched. Also, if it’s structured properly, worst case scenario he could be traded or bought out.

For a guy like Malkin, what is the big concern? It’s injuries. Well if he has enough injuries where he decides to not play, the team can just LTIR him and he gets his money and the team gets the cap space.
Thats exactly what I was going to edit and add to my post lol. When he plays he is still absolutely elite, the only issue is if he’s not playing and in that case you can LTIR him anyway. I’d much rather sign Malkin without giving up anything than trade good players for PLD.

Also I’d argue Malkin actually fits our timeline better than a younger guy like PLD. We’ll be cap strapped in a few years when everyone’s got their raises, especially if we were adding PLD. We have a window where we have a bit more cap space and we could add an elite veteran center with 3 cups to his name.
 
We should be all in on Malkin
Everyone complains about our center depth and we have the opportunity to get a generational one who’s Russian, and nobody wants him lmao. 97% WAR this season. Without giving up any asset.

MALKIN'S CAP HIT WON'T WORK IN 2023-24. It probably won't work next year either. He's not signing for a year. Not signing without a NMC. It's a f***ing pipe dream.

Stop it people.
 
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Malkin is beyond cooked, or did you miss 7 games of cement footed basically nothing.

If he had anything in the tank you would have seen it. Just a bad attitude and a lot of slashing. Completely fraudulent 6 points.
 
Malkin is beyond cooked, or did you miss 7 games of cement footed basically nothing.

If he had anything in the tank you would have seen it. Just a bad attitude and a lot of slashing. Completely fraudulent 6 points.
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Flashing the periodic table of the elements doesn't account for the fact that Malkin would mean a very real possibility that we'd have to jettison both Trouba and Kreider a year early... somehow.

Which... flipping a guy who is approaching the NYR lead in all time playoff games is a bad look
 
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Yeah, given our history, it is not that far fetched to consider that.

However, it would have to be a 1 year deal. As I understand it, Malkin is looking at a 3-4 year contract.

Agreed 1 yr only and it’s crazy but possible
 
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What are Laf and Miller signing for? 2m each?

There are options to clear cap. What happens if Chytil doesn’t take a step? Or Kaako? Lindgren is an option for trade depending on the development of others. Kreider or Trouba May PREFER to be traded next offseason versus a year later as they will have a definitive say where they go (NMC vs NTC).

I’m not saying it’s all easy but there are more options than just shutting the door.

Malkin is beyond cooked, or did you miss 7 games of cement footed basically nothing.

If he had anything in the tank you would have seen it. Just a bad attitude and a lot of slashing. Completely fraudulent 6 points.

He was coming back from a major injury, playing too many minutes with the injuries to the Pens and played in a long OT. He wasn’t healthy.
 
Brian Boyle was slow as balls and he’s probably the best pure PK’er we’ve had since the lockout. Sean Couturier isn’t fast either and at his peak he was a phenomenal penalty killer.

You don’t have to be fast to be a good penalty killer.
Boyle worked on his skating with Barbara Underhill as we all know.

I'm not saying you need to be a blazer to be a great PKer, but you need other attributes. Does Kakko have them yet? Will Gallant allow him to develop by trial and error?

Also both Boyle and Couturier do faceoffs and are damn good at it.
 
He was coming back from a major injury, playing too many minutes with the injuries to the Pens and played in a long OT. He wasn’t healthy.
36 y/o have a tendency to not get healthier as time goes on. He's also not taking a discount, and if he is, it's not here.
 
I'd be fine with Eugene if there was a possibility he would sign short term but I think some team will give him 3 years or more, whether it's Pitt in which case we won't have a chance to sign him anyway, or some other team. I don't think we can sign him.
 
Flashing the periodic table of the elements doesn't account for the fact that Malkin would mean a very real possibility that we'd have to jettison both Trouba and Kreider a year early... somehow.

Which... flipping a guy who is approaching the NYR lead in all time playoff games is a bad look
Who in gods name cares about Kreider’s number of playoff games record?

I agree about the rest re: Malkin.
 
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Yikes, when checking cap friendly, our cap situation is even worse than I expected.

Am I missing something below??

(a) Short 3 forwards and 1 back-up goalie (assuming Jones is among top 6 Ds) — we have 9.2m in Cap space.

(b) Assuming 1 forward and 1 back-up goalie cost 1m a piece, that puts us at 7.2m for a team short of Kakko and 2C.

(c) Are we really giving Kakko a 1 year deal, given that we already have Laf, K’Miller, Chytil and Kravy becoming RFAs next summer?

Where is Kakko coming in at? 2.5m per for 2 years?

That leaves us with 4.7m for a 2nd line C. I will revert to what this means in (e) below.

(d) Can any savings be made? Of course we can attach like a 2nd/3rd round pick to Nemeth and move his salary but he is still replaced on the roster by app. another 1m D, so that saves us just 1.5m. That means 6.2m.

In addition, I assign the cheapest players 1m instead of like 850k, but you need some flexibility under the cap. That evens this out.

(e) Next season, 2023/24, K’Andre Miller and Laf must be resigned. Filip Chytil is also a RFA. How much will they cost us?

K Miller should come in and 5m. Laf is determined by his play.

The cap in 23’ will be 83,500,000m. We already knows this. Let’s start over:
1. In 23’ we will have a roster with 5 forwards, 5 Ds and 1 goalie, i.e short of 8 forwards, 2 Ds and 1 back-up goalie, for 25m of cap space (assuming Kakko gets 2 years.
2. The 4th line, back-up goalie and spare F+D is filled with cheap players.
3. This leaves us with app. 15.4m in 2023 to resign (assuming KKs bridge is 2 years):
Laf,
Chytil,
Kravy, and
K’ Miller

This is assuming of course that the “2c” position is — not — filled yet. Let’s say we bridge K’ Miller to 3 years 5.4m, we are left with 10m to sign:
“2c”,
Laf,
Chytil, and
Kravy

Goodrow and Nemeth are good buy-outs in 2023. If we BO them in 23’ and replace them with 1m players, we get another 3.5m.

(f) How can we be expected to be planning to fill “2c” with an established C paid and with term beyond 22/23??

The space doesn’t exist. Even if we absolutely max our cap space with BOs and fill all other spots with cheap players, resign the kids (Chytil, Kravy and Laf) to pressed bridge deals, assuming none of them performs, we at the most could spare 4.5m to 5m for “2c”. But that is assuming that none of the kids breaks out. Like if Kravy has a good rookie season, it destroys any chance of giving a 2c 4.5m. It’s perhaps 3m.

(g) Seriously, Chytil has arbitration rights in in 23’ (right?), isn’t it more or less a forgone conclusion that he is history? Kids get paid in arbitration. Any kind of production from him and we would never be able to keep him. What does he get in arb if he gets 40 pts in 22/23, 3.25-3.75m? We can’t afford that, even if we max the buy-outs.

(h) Some are thinking, but we could perhaps deal any of the vets?

The only tradable contracts on the roster for 23’ assumed above would be Lindgren’s 3m, Fox and Shesty. Everyone else has full NMCs.

(i) Honestly, if — any — of the kids breaks out (Laf, Kravy, Chytil and co, not KK if he gets a 2y bridge) don’t rule out a buy-out of Jacob Trouba in 23’. That saves us 5.7m in 23’ and “just” cost us 17m over 5 years in cap.

A lot of teams are in the same boat and will be squeezed worse than the Rangers.

Backup goalie shouldn't be an issue. If Allaire believes either Charlie Lindgren or Eric Comrie can 20-25 games, they will be much cheaper with more upside from the vets on the markets like the Greiss's, Jones's, and Halaks's of the world. $1 million max for either Lindgren or Comrie. Kinkaid as the insurance policy in Hartford as he is very capable of spot starting.

Nemeth you can send to Hartford. Jones is ready for the 6D spot. He looked fine with Schneider in the traditional "Good Cop, (Puck Mover), Bad Cop (Stat At Home)" role. Honestly if Nils is still here, they can rotate or get by with a combo of Jones/Schneider/Lundkvist as a third pair.

Kaako gets a two year bridge deal, that'll happen.

2C is really the driver of the offseason. You can go with a younger and cheaper 2C like a Nic Roy which will allow you to add another depth forward whether resign Motte or a Rafl, or you can trade and spend for a more expensive 2C but then get ready for a lot more of Hunt/McKeggs (he's coming back we all know it!).

I'm fine with Malkin for 1-2 years and just letting guys like Cullye, Othmann, or even an "older prospect" like Gettinger or Richards battle if out for the 12th forward role.

It's going to be interesting because after Kadri and Trochek, I see teams either giving less for longer term, or more for lesser years. A guy like Copp may not get more than $6/4 or $6.6/2.

I don't see anyone giving Malkin 4 years. The possibilities are Seattle, Arizona, and Anaheim. Malkin wouldn't go to Arizona unless he wants to get into real estate and basically double his post playing income. I don't see Francis giving 4 year to Malkin. Would Anaheim with their young core?
 
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I'd rather trade him a year early than 5 years too late.

Me too but this won't even have to do with that.

His salary+the dead cap we have coming off is going to pay for one of the RFA duo next season and part of the other. Rangers need to be really smart about how they handle this summer so they don't run into issue there.
 
I'll keep saying it, but people need to prepare for this being Lindgrens last year here.

Why? Need some evidence. It's all rumor and innuendo now. He's signed for two more. He showed how important he is in the postseason. He's still young enough where he's not going to have the Laidlaw/Girardi decline.

He might be traded in two summers, but most likely they go to arb and do a two year deal.

Me too but this won't even have to do with that.

His salary+the dead cap we have coming off is going to pay for one of the RFA duo next season and part of the other. Rangers need to be really smart about how they handle this summer so they don't run into issue there.

I'm not one of those people down on Kakko, but objectively, there is a better chance Kakko with one year on a bridge deal is dealt next summer if he is injured or doesn't break 40 points than one year of Lindgren before he's an RFA.
 
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