Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[huerter]

McDonagh to Toronto has made sense for a long time.

If the cap doesn't exist then he makes sense for us too.

 

[rangers1314]

If he's a genius, he'll stay away from McDonagh at this stage of his career.

Dubas is GM’in for his job right now.

McD slides below Morgan Reilly, like he did Hedman.

The question is, what’s up with Jake Muzzin? Can they move him? He’s got 2 more years, this is his last with full control. Friedman had floated maybe Muzzin moves this summer.

 

[egelband]

You’re thinking of Sean Day


Tampa isn’t taking money back. It’s why they need to move McD in the first place

They don’t need to take all the money back. If McDonagh is moving it’s gonna be to a good team. And good teams are up against the cap. It’s gonna have to be a compromise. TB can get some cap relief but there’s going to have to be some money going back.

 

[RangerBoy]

Weekes said as many as 8 teams are looking for a #1 goalie.



Edmonton-Smith may not play again.
Toronto-Campbell is not returning.
Jersey-they still have Blackwood and Bernier under contract
Caps
Avs

Edmonton and Jersey are interested in Campbell. Husso should get a big contract.

That's five.

Montreal has an issue with Price. He may or may not play. Allen is still there.
Chicago doesn't have any goalies signed for next season. They are not interested in winning any games.

 

[egelband]

If he's a genius, he'll stay away from McDonagh at this stage of his career.

Nah McDonagh has a couple good runs left in him. A team like the Leafs could really use a guy like McDonagh. I’m sure they’ll continue to dumpster dive though.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

You’re thinking of Sean Day


Tampa isn’t taking money back. It’s why they need to move McD in the first place

Right you are. This is why you are the Most Valuable Poster.

 

[rangers1314]

Right you are. This is why you are the Most Valuable Poster.

Hell yeah

 

[mas0764]

Elliotte Friedman on the NHL Network. The Rangers are looking for a young player who doesn’t require waivers for Georgiev. Teams are saying you guys aren’t qualifying him so why should we give you that return. Teams are interested in Georgiev. He said Winnipeg isn’t trading Scheifele. He said term is a major sticking point in the talks with Strome.

Dylan Holloway please

 

[rangers1314]

Dylan Holloway please

That ain’t happening.

This is a nice challenge for the new scouts. Go find an undervalued forward a team would give us for Geo.

 

[Anthony5967]

The entire night. It’s all I can think about; I want Drury to pull the trigger on JT Miller. Slot this guy behind Zibanejad, let him center Panarin. $5.25M. Rental, whatever. You make a play for a C like that and retain this same roster, sign Motte, growth and maturity from the kids, Shesterkin, you have yourself a top team in the East with two playoff runs of experience in them in those 20 games. Assess next season. Chytil+Lundkvist package. “But then you lose Chytil in two years.” Okay, so you do what all good teams do and find a replacement in FA. That’s what your scouts are there for. Jones, Robertson, still here. More draft picks to be made. I need this.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Miller-Lafrenière
Blais-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Motte-Rydahl-Cuylle

Extras: Hunt-Brodzinski-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Extra: Braun? Robertson? Hajek?

Shesterkin
Backup

 

[NickyFotiu]

Montreal shouldn't even be in this conversation of comparison. Their 2 best players paid the Price (pun intended) with their careers while also drawing into the easiest and most unique playoff bracket thanks to the strict Canadian govt travel restrictions.

Point remains. Many teams have had nice runs over time and still dropped off the next season. We need to improve if we want to win. We will not get back standing still

 

[mti79]

This won’t get it done for Puljujarvi.

He did what we all hope VK does, come back and totally resurrect his value. Edmonton was once close to trading him here for Lias Anderson.

Edmonton is gonna get a legit return for him.

What's a legit return vs what's too much to give up?

Georgie, a '22 3rd and Lundkvist for Puljujarvi and a '23 3rd?

Before I hit post, let it be known that I've been drinking and I have no idea what the return for JP would be but I just think EDM could do worse than AG

 

[huerter]

The entire night. It’s all I can think about; I want Drury to pull the trigger on JT Miller. Slot this guy behind Zibanejad, let him center Panarin. $5.25M. Rental, whatever. You make a play for a C like that and retain this same roster, sign Motte, growth and maturity from the kids, Shesterkin, you have yourself a top team in the East with two playoff runs of experience in them in those 20 games. Assess next season. Chytil+Lundkvist package. “But then you lose Chytil in two years.” Okay, so you do what all good teams do and find a replacement in FA. That’s what your scouts are there for. Jones, Robertson, still here. More draft picks to be made. I need this.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Miller-Lafrenière
Blais-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Motte-Rydahl-Cuylle

Extras: Hunt-Brodzinski-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Extra: Braun? Robertson? Hajek?

Shesterkin
Backup

Those Gilbert, Messier, Ratelle, and Hadfield lines are gross.

 

[egelband]

Point remains. Many teams have had nice runs over time and still dropped off the next season. We need to improve if we want to win. We will not get back standing still

Yes. But the improvement may come from within, so to speak.

 

[egelband]

I think Friedman’s content is generally good and interesting but he’s so annoyingly self-important. With all the meaningful disclaimers and thoughtful pauses.

 

[bobbop]

It’s been reported by Friedman and others that TB is working with McD to find a suitable trade destination for him.

He will waive for the right spot and TB is willing to work with him on it.

Friedman said today to watch St. Louis

St. Louis would make a lot of sense

 

[Kocur26]

I made a thread a few days ago about us being in major trouble… it was deleted .

It’s all coming to fruition and reality now .

In a few days Vatrano , Motte , Copp , Strome are all gone .

Because we are cap choked

We could also be on the verge a of wild panic move deal that completely blows up the system.

I don’t trust Drury at all …

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I made a thread a few days ago about us being in major trouble… it was deleted .

It’s all coming to fruition and reality now .

In a few days Vatrano , Motte , Copp , Strome are all gone .

Because we are cap choked

We could also be on the verge a of wild panic move deal that completely blows up the system.

I don’t trust Drury at all …

We do know how rentals work right? Combine that with Copp and Strome's 1 and only decent shot at a pay day with teams like Seattle with an open check book and guaranteed top 6 and PP1 time...

Blows up the system? We have a logjam of defenseman and forwards that can be used to get players to fix needs or style.

You need to read something else other than Larry otherwise those shelter drills under your school desk might get tiresome.

 

[McRanger92]

New management and he wants to be there. Rutherford has done a great job overseeing the new standards for the executive group there.

I still think Boeser could be traded. 7.5 QO was a non-starter for most teams, at least now there’s cost certainty.

Rutherford/Allvin are smartly committing to a a Pettersson/Hughes/Demko core. Miller will get them 2 really good pieces (possibly from us). They are definitely on the right track

So Staple says Gauthier requests a trade but is resigned. He could have just not accepted the QO and gone UFA.

Easier to trade when the acquiring team knows he’s under contract, don’t overthink it

 

[BBKers]

Kreider Zib Laf
Panarin PLD (trade) Kakko
Kravtsov Stastny Hornqvist (buyout)
Motte Goodrow Blais
Kassian (buyout), Smith (Detroit via trade)

Chychrun (trade) Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Schneider
Vlasic (buyout) or Braun

Igor
Lindgren

This is a winner
In fantasyland

 

[n8]

Just out of curiosity, why break up Fox-Lindgren?

most likely to get Schneider a more reliable partner. Get Fox a better partner. And Give Jones a RD anchor he can learn with the way Miller learned off of Trouba.

 

[RangerBoy]

There is a twitter account from Vancouver that sometimes has good information. All of the Vancouver media types follow him on twitter.





Some comments are trying to dismiss the tweet out of hand while someone said this guy is usually right.

Miller is a rental. He wants an eight year extension at $8M-$9M AAV.

The Athletic had a story on the Canucks a few days ago. Some fans were commenting how the Wild-Kings trade doesn't really help the Canucks cause. LA gave up a #1 pick and Faber for Fiala and the Kings signed Fiala to a 7 year extension. Miller is a rental for most of these teams. The Rangers don't have the cap space for an extension.

People tried to connect the Devils trading the 2nd pick overall for Miller or Fiala. Fitzgerald isn't doing that.

Ottawa at #7 liked Fiala but they didn't want to pay him nearly $8M AAV.

LA traded a #1 pick in a below to average draft and Faber who was seen his value increase since he was selected in the 2nd round a couple of years ago for Fiala with a seven year extension.

Flat cap NHL reality is setting in. We will see how many players get shutout on the free agent market and settle for less.

 

[RangerBoy]

I think Friedman’s content is generally good and interesting but he’s so annoyingly self-important. With all the meaningful disclaimers and thoughtful pauses.

Friedman and the other insiders provide good content. However, they don't know the inner workings of every team.

Elliotte and Marek were discussing Georgiev on Thursday afternoon. They both assumed the Rangers are qualifying Georgiev. Why wouldn't the Rangers not give him a QO? Later that night, they recorded the 32T podcast. Elliotte said the Rangers have a cap issue with the QO. Someone heard the segment and sent him a note. They were wrong.

They were discussing the Fiala trade. Are the Kings done? Maybe the Kings can get Forsberg too. Again. Just look at the Kings cap situation. They have $11M. Most of that money will go towards Kempe. They will re-sign Mikey Anderson. Fill out of their roster. The space is gone. The Kings don't have space for another big player. Someone should tell the insiders.



Seravalli says the Rangers want Kadri. The Rangers can't afford that. I know Frank was complaining about having to spend two months on the road covering the playoffs. He could do the math and not put that information/speculation out there. Just because a team executive or player agent heard that about Ksdri doesn't mean it's true or even close to reality.

 

[RangerBoy]

St. Louis would make a lot of sense

I thought the Blues wanted Chychrun. The Kings were supposedly the destination for Chychrun. They don't have the cap space. Where is that guy ending up? Which team is paying the bounty Arizona wants for the player? St.Louis needs to be careful with McDonagh. Too much money and term remaining. The Blues have a Thomas extension to plan for. ROR is a free agent next summer. Kyrou's contract. I know the Blues have been looking for a LD for a while. St. Louis will probably try to send Scandella's contract to TB. McDonagh would probably go to St.Louis because it's not far from Minnesota.

 

[Tob]

There is a twitter account from Vancouver that sometimes has good information. All of the Vancouver media types follow him on twitter.





Some comments are trying to dismiss the tweet out of hand while someone said this guy is usually right.

Miller is a rental. He wants an eight year extension at $8M-$9M AAV.

The Athletic had a story on the Canucks a few days ago. Some fans were commenting how the Wild-Kings trade doesn't really help the Canucks cause. LA gave up a #1 pick and Faber for Fiala and the Kings signed Fiala to a 7 year extension. Miller is a rental for most of these teams. The Rangers don't have the cap space for an extension.

People tried to connect the Devils trading the 2nd pick overall for Miller or Fiala. Fitzgerald isn't doing that.

Ottawa at #7 liked Fiala but they didn't want to pay him nearly $8M AAV.

LA traded a #1 pick in a below to average draft and Faber who was seen his value increase since he was selected in the 2nd round a couple of years ago for Fiala with a seven year extension.

Flat cap NHL reality is setting in. We will see how many players get shutout on the free agent market and settle for less.

I can't wait for the salary shock of this year's free agent frenzy. Top dogs get their pay and there will be tons of high value guys that can be picked up for cheap. Our ELCs and RFAs are worth their weight in gold until the cap goes up. I doubt Drury is foolish enough to ignore the cap reality in pursuit of some "final piece" acquisition on the 2C hole.