Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[egelband]

A great positive with the kids is that they seem to be getting better as the season rolls along. Especially as the schedule has been tighter. That’s really a great sign.
Throw Gauthier in there for the final 15 games or so and let’s see what we have.

Please. I can’t believe Gauthier is getting scratched still. He should be definitely playing over Howden. And maybe over Rooney too. Either way this guy needs to be developing.

 

[pld459666]

Boston basically gave up nothing of note and got Hall who, while he may not be having a good year, still has the ability to pot 10-12 goals down the stretch.

This is a no brainer for them.

 

[wafflepadsave]

What do you want him to do?

I like @Ranger Spice but have to agree here. Those little moves minus Johnson have been fruitful.

 

[RGY]

Boston basically gave up nothing of note and got Hall who, while he may not be having a good year, still has the ability to pot 10-12 goals down the stretch.

This is a no brainer for them.

Yep. Buffalo is just straight up misery. Everything has gone wrong there. They could not manage to get a 1st round pick for a former Hart Trophy winner, of course Hall had a lot to do with that. Meanwhile, Columbus gets a 1st round pick for Foligno. Crazy.

Man if the Rangers had a stronger 4th line and 3rd pair they would be in the top 4 right now imo. But they are 4 points out with Boston having games in hand, it doesnt make sense to do anything. If they were tied, I would consider doing something with how cheap prices are this year.

But they are likely not getting into the playoffs when they have a coach that just makes some of the dumbest personnel decisions.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Unless we 3peat in the lottery.. I dont see it happening.

Gorton might not make a big move until the lottery takes place anyway. Get Steven McDonalds badge ready...

There will not be a 3-peat. nhl won’t tolerate any of that.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I think any major moves for the Rangers, if pursued, will be summer time topics.

Right now I expect them to maybe see if they can flip Smith, maybe PDG, and maybe ADA.

Howden is a maybe. But having Blackwell, Rooney and Howden means that at least two of them will still be the Rangers post-expansion draft, so that might be a facto.

Quinn’s stepson isn’t getting traded.

 

[ETTER DE]

Sell what? Sellers sell their expiring contracts at the TDL. Rarely see players with term moved as main pieces. Smith is expiring. PDG is expiring. Rooney and Blackwell and even Kinkaid have another year. Buch is RFA, not UFA. There’s nothing to sell. Rangers moves would be hockey moves, not rentals and if they happen, they’ll happen at the draft or over summer.

Yandle (in) and McDonagh (out) had term left.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I think they’d certainly listen, but they have Blackwell and Rooney signed for next year too. So I don’t know if there’s the same motivation to flip him for some kind of return at this time.

Not to mention that the returns are minimal.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kreider is fine. He's not being paid to be 'the guy'. He's 2nd wave. At the time Buch was just as inconsistent and we didn't win the Lottery. I also rather have Kreider in the playoffs

I do not know what's going on with our vets. They've been bad/flat/non-respnosnive/going through the motions.

When we extended Kreider and traded for Gauthier, this team had an inconsistent Buchnevich, a struggling young Kravtsov and Kakko coming off the worst rookie season in years.

Since then, Buchnevich took a huge step, Kakko turns everything around, Kravtsov looks like a completely different person and we won the lottery drafting the consensus no 1 in Lafrenière.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yeah. That’s my issue with Kreider. He doesn’t have to score to be valuable. But he’s not doing those things either.

He’s either engaged or not. Total tv watching too much of the time.

 

[RangerBoy]

Again, if he gets moved it’s not a matter of desire so much as a potential matter of economics based on previous decisions.

I have no problem with a desire to keep Buch. There’s a damn good argument to be made for that tactic. But we need to stop presenting this topic as if it’s because the Rangers and fans want more picks and prospects.

That’s not what is prompting the conversation.

Buchnevich has been the Rangers best forward this season. Zibanejad and Kreider have been inconsistent. Panarin disappeared for 3 weeks when those allegations surfaced. Buchnevich plays in all situations. He is a very good teammate. The Rangers can't afford him. The cap will be a flat $81.5M for a while.

The Rangers gave Kreider $6.5M last year thinking the cap would go up with the new NHL TV deal. Covid-19 ruined everything.

Even if the Rangers had the ability to pay Buchnevich long-term money, would it be a wise decision?

The Rangers have so many mouths to feed. Panarin will get his minutes. Kreider will get his minutes. Lafrenière and Kakko are ready for bigger roles. Kravtsov isn't far behind them. He still has to go through the process a little bit more. There are not enough minutes for everyone.

Buchnevich has become everything and more for the Rangers. He is a group II with arbitration rights this summer. One year away from group III. We know what that means.

 

[mas0764]

Buch is RFA. Why are we trading him?

The idea would be if and only if he can bring back a young 1C like Lundell.

 

[leetch99]

I don't know anything about him and he's rookie so I can't really go by his numbers.

No...it is his potential for being a real PITA and wreaking havoc and he does play a lot of C and kills penalties and is willing to fight for his buds . Projects as a great 4th liner with possibly some 3rd line upside . We don't have a guy like him on the roster . I doubt Bruins will want to part with him on the cheap by any means . He seems like a natural for Boston .

 

[LORDE]

When we extended Kreider and traded for Gauthier, this team had an inconsistent Buchnevich, a struggling young Kravtsov and Kakko coming off the worst rookie season in years.

Since then, Buchnevich took a huge step, Kakko turns everything around, Kravtsov looks like a completely different person and we won the lottery drafting the consensus no 1 in Lafrenière.

Kreider was also the biggest piece on the market at the deadline and many of us wanted him dealt... of course if the deal wasn't there you can't make it but resigning him WITH the NTC was always a bad idea and we all knew it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The idea would be if and only if he can bring back a young 1C like Lundell.

Well, that's a no-brainer for me. Buch for Lundell is a great deal and sets us up down the middle

Kreider was also the biggest piece on the market at the deadline and many of us wanted him dealt... of course if the deal wasn't there you can't make it but resigning him WITH the NTC was always a bad idea and we all knew it.

No argument here. I was on the "trade Kreider" train but I am only explaining the possible reasoning behind the Kreider extension. I never liked it, from the moment he signed.

 

[rangers1314]

Hall to Boston for Bjork and 2. Curtis Lazer also to Boston.

 

[mas0764]

Thanks Gorton for your Kreider decision.

If we had dumped Kreider for what clearly would have been a massive haul last deadline (probably starts at a first; I’m guessing a way better return than Hayes brought, probably more like a Nash deal, a first and a highly regarded prospect), we would probably have had the ammo to trade up for Lundell.

Of course we probably would not have Lafreniere either so sometimes better to be lucky than right.

 

[mas0764]

We need top9 2 way centers, while being less finesse and perimeter style players.

Barkov
Cirielli
Larkin
Krebs
Holloway
Lundell
____________

Obviously if someone like Kravtsov can make the transition to center, it changes a lot of things. Maybe Barron as a bottom6 center. A lot of things can change in a season.

There has to be a way to trick some teams into handing us a couple of those names in the off-season. We have so many defensive prospects. Gotta find a way.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kinda figured Hall would bring back a 1st, Sabres GM is not good

And Buchnevich is as good as gone. Can’t tie up money to another winger. I think they chose wrong between Kreider and him but not much to be done about it

All you can do is hope is that Kreider deal dosen’t bite you in the ass too much

 

[mas0764]

Is Quinn gone after this season ends?

I would guess no.

 

[mas0764]

Boston basically gave up nothing of note and got Hall who, while he may not be having a good year, still has the ability to pot 10-12 goals down the stretch.

This is a no brainer for them.

I think I would have kept Hall and tried to re-sign him and hope for a bounce back year, if I’m Buffalo, rather than get almost nothing for him.

 

[ThirdEye]

I think I would have kept Hall and tried to re-sign him and hope for a bounce back year, if I’m Buffalo, rather than get almost nothing for him.

im thinking the two parties completely soured on one another. To the point of it being irreconcilable

 

[NYR Viper]

I think I would have kept Hall and tried to re-sign him and hope for a bounce back year, if I’m Buffalo, rather than get almost nothing for him.

I see no reason Hall would want to stay in Buffalo.

Basically Buffalo signed Lazar and Hall, paid them 'x' millions and then were able to 'buy' a 2nd + Bjork.

 

[pld459666]

There will not be a 3-peat. nhl won’t tolerate any of that.

They can't stop it this year

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who is in on him? Montreal? Maybe Pitt pre Carter?