Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[Savant]

Buy what?

Haven’t really looked into it honestly, but I will rummage around. As I said I wouldn’t do it, so I haven’t put too much thought into it. I do have some general thoughts though.

• Need to move Smith and PDG at the deadline for assets. No reason not to.
• If they trade Buchnevich (for economic reasons, not advocating this) they actually need another RW for at least a season or two
• If they trade Zibanejad (for economic reasons , not advocating this) they need to get at least one center back
  
• Besides Smith, I think they are locked into their D

Don’t think there is a major move on the table, but after the expansion draft will be interesting.

I will say, I honestly don’t like the composition of the team right now. There is a lot of talent but it is unbalanced. Rangers are going to need to start finding some balance sooner than later.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Someone should tell that to David Quinn then.

Quinn wants to win games. He wants to keep his job.

 

[Savant]

Buy what?

Haven’t really looked into it honestly, but I will rummage around. As I said I wouldn’t do it, so I haven’t put too much thought into it. I do have some general thoughts though.

• Need to move Smith and PDG at the deadline for assets. No reason not to.
• If they trade Buchnevich (for economic reasons, not advocating this) they actually need another RW for at least a season or two
• If they trade Zibanejad (for economic reasons , not advocating this) they need to get at least one center back
  
• Besides Smith, I think they are locked into their D
• They are probably locked into their goaltending but would trade Georgiev if a deal came up
• EDIT - would also try to sell high on Blackwell if you could get a 2nd, maybe a 3rd for him, you kind of have to do it.

Don’t think there is a major move on the table, but after the expansion draft will be interesting

I will say, I honestly don’t like the composition of the team right now. There is a lot of talent but it is unbalanced. Rangers are going to need to start finding some balance sooner than later.

 

[Savant]

Quinn wants to win games. He wants to keep his job.

Right. I don’t disagree with you, but if he wants to win games and keep his job he needs to make the playoffs. And if he wants to make the playoffs he probably needs to buy. It’s a cycle. I for one would be glad if the front office doesn’t back him.

Also the problem is if he is doing a good enough job developing - I do not think that he is.

 

[Avery16]

• Need to move Smith and PDG at the deadline for assets. No reason not to.

The reason why not is that nobody is interested in them.

 

[Savant]

The reason why not is that nobody is interested in them.

Worse players have been moved at the deadline. You aren’t going to get a big return, but you can try to get something.

 

[Fitzy]

If Desharnais couldn't return anything at the deadline, IDK if anyone is actually interested in Di Giuseppe.

Moving Smith is certainly a 'sell' move, and who knows if NYR management is still holding out hopes of climbing into that last playoff spot by going on a late run here.

Edge has said that there's nothing "Big" just conversations about ADA and the aforementioned players, so we def won't see anything involving Buchnevich or Strome this deadline. That's probably an offseason discussion.

It's gonna be quiet, and that's fine.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Right. I don’t disagree with you, but if he wants to win games and keep his job he needs to make the playoffs. And if he wants to make the playoffs he probably needs to buy. It’s a cycle. I for one would be glad if the front office doesn’t back him.

Also the problem is if he is doing a good enough job developing - I do not think that he is.

They should have hired an actual development coach if that was their goal. Not a coach who was trying to win championships with an all-star roster every year, getting the top recruits handed to him year after year

 

[Savant]

They should have hired an actual development coach if that was their goal.

Isn’t that what they thought Quinn was? They didn’t exactly hire a win-now coach either. Trotz for example was available that offseason too. It kills me that Quinn turned them down at first but Gorton was locked in on him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Isn’t that what they thought Quinn was? They didn’t exactly hire a win-now coach either. Trotz for example was available that offseason too. It kills me that Quinn turned them down at first but Gorton was locked in on him.

I never really saw Quinn as a development coach. Just because he coached in college, doesn't automatically make him a development coach

Bazin, Sandelin, Carver, Madigan, Leaman... Those are coaches I consider development coaches. They get the most out of (with all due respect) marginal prospects. Guys drafted in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round, and undrafted players.

Quinn got to work with guys like Keller, Eichel, Fabbro, Tkachuk, McAvoy, Bellows, Bowers... Not saying Quinn had no impact on those players but they came in with much more talent and a bigger reputation than the kids the other coaches relied on.

I think Quinn would be a great coach for Vegas or Colorado. I just never felt he was the right fit, not necessarily a bad coach.

 

[Savant]

I never really saw Quinn as a development coach. Just because he coached in college, doesn't automatically make him a development coach

Bazin, Sandelin, Carver, Madigan, Leaman... Those are coaches I consider development coaches. They get the most out of (with all due respect) marginal prospects. Guys drafted in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round, and undrafted players.

Quinn got to work with guys like Keller, Eichel, Fabbro, Tkachuk, McAvoy, Bellows, Bowers... Not saying Quinn had no impact on those players but they came in with much more talent and a bigger reputation than the kids the other coaches relied on.

I think Quinn would be a great coach for Vegas or Colorado. I just never felt he was the right fit, not necessarily a bad coach.

Oh I agree. You are preaching to the choir. I thought Gorton was sipping the Boston Kool Aid the whole way with that hire. I don’t know why they locked onto him but they didn’t get a win-now guy and they didn’t get a development guy. It shows. Quinn also hasn’t evolved from being NCAA coach which is what kills me. He is the same guy he was at BU. Not going out on a limb but Sandelin would have been the guy I would have given all that effort to get out but I doubt he leaves Duluth

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

The reason why not is that nobody is interested in them.

Smith is a post season specialist, that’s how he earned his 4yr contract here in the first place. Plays a heavy game and has great pinch reads. Still salty DQ made him play forward for a year until deciding it didn’t work.

 

[RGY]

 

[rangers1314]

Jon Merrill traded to Montreal

 

[I Eat Crow]

My predictions for tonight/tomorrow:

Smith, Howden and PDG go nowhere.

Gauthier is dealt somewhere random for a 5th rounder or another reclamation project.

The Rangers acquire Justin Gabriel from SJ for "toffness" for a late pick.

Going to be a pretty tame 24 hours for the Rangers.

Hall goes to Colorado.

Vegas gets Nick Foligno.

Iafallo goes to Minnesota.

Just about everyone else of note that didn't move already stays put.

 

[True Blue]

Quinn wants to win games. He wants to keep his job.

He wants to win games? What NHL coach does not? Or a coach/manager in any other major league?

 

[RGY]

Jon Merrill traded to Montreal

Surprised they did not want to reunite the Staal brothers

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Smith goes. If nothing else, it’s a favor to him for the work he put in and for being such a good teammate so he can fight for his next contract. A big post season somewhere and that changes things for him as UFA.

 

[RGY]

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Prediction
Blackwell for a 2022 3rd

 

[gravey9]

We already had our deadline add -- Vitali Kravtsov.

 

[Shadowtron]

I’m predicting it’s going to be a very boring trade deadline for us Rangers fans lol.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My predictions for tonight/tomorrow:

Smith, Howden and PDG go nowhere.

Gauthier is dealt somewhere random for a 5th rounder or another reclamation project.

The Rangers acquire Justin Gabriel from SJ for "toffness" for a late pick.

Going to be a pretty tame 24 hours for the Rangers.

Hall goes to Colorado.

Vegas gets Nick Foligno.

Iafallo goes to Minnesota.

Just about everyone else of note that didn't move already stays put.

I can see it.

I'd be a bit annoyed if Smith stayed though.

 

[haveandare]

I never really saw Quinn as a development coach. Just because he coached in college, doesn't automatically make him a development coach

Bazin, Sandelin, Carver, Madigan, Leaman... Those are coaches I consider development coaches. They get the most out of (with all due respect) marginal prospects. Guys drafted in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round, and undrafted players.

Quinn got to work with guys like Keller, Eichel, Fabbro, Tkachuk, McAvoy, Bellows, Bowers... Not saying Quinn had no impact on those players but they came in with much more talent and a bigger reputation than the kids the other coaches relied on.

I think Quinn would be a great coach for Vegas or Colorado. I just never felt he was the right fit, not necessarily a bad coach.

Isn’t that more like what he’s getting here though? Kakko, Laf, Kravstov, Miller, a Fox, etc are talented kids with big reputations. They’re not marginal late round picks.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I never really saw Quinn as a development coach. Just because he coached in college, doesn't automatically make him a development coach

Bazin, Sandelin, Carver, Madigan, Leaman... Those are coaches I consider development coaches. They get the most out of (with all due respect) marginal prospects. Guys drafted in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round, and undrafted players.

Quinn got to work with guys like Keller, Eichel, Fabbro, Tkachuk, McAvoy, Bellows, Bowers... Not saying Quinn had no impact on those players but they came in with much more talent and a bigger reputation than the kids the other coaches relied on.

I think Quinn would be a great coach for Vegas or Colorado. I just never felt he was the right fit, not necessarily a bad coach.

Why? He's proven nothing. He's inexperienced at the NHL level. He's not shown much proficiency at strategy or motivation.