Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[Flan the incredible]

I wonder how many RFAs will not be qualified due to the flat cap. Obviously Bennett comes to mind but I bet there will be more. Could be an opportunity.

 

[Draft Guru]

I'm lukewarm on Trouba.

I think he's not as bad as his biggest critics make him out to be, nor quite as good as others feel he's been this year.

He's still a guy who makes me alternate between cheers and curses, sometimes within the course of mere minutes.

I think he has an important role here, but not necessarily one that is quite as vaunted as it sometimes it portrayed.

I think he's better this year than last year, but I also think he's right back in a situation where he has a LD who compliments him well (and will keep getting better), and playing behind a legit top-notch RD.

So in that sense he's more or less what I thought he'd be - a second pairing defenseman who does his best when the right pieces are around him. How much is that worth and for how long? That's where it gets tricky.

Trouba is a good player, but the problem I have is we gave up an asset and handed him a 7 yr/56M contract for what we thought was a 50 point defenseman. 18 of his 50 points in his final season with the Jets came on the Power Play. He's not quarterbacking our power play here, and rightfully so since we have Fox (and last year DeAngelo deserved the PP1 assisgnment).

So we have an $8 million dollar defenseman that doesn't have a big role on our power play. That's a tough cap hit to stomach given the circumstances.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I wonder how many RFAs will not be qualified due to the flat cap. Obviously Bennett comes to mind but I bet there will be more. Could be an opportunity.

Bennett will be qualified.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Trouba is a good player, but the problem I have is we gave up an asset and handed him a 7 yr/56M contract for what we thought was a 50 point defenseman. 18 of his 50 points in his final season with the Jets came on the Power Play. He's not quarterbacking our power play here, and rightfully so since we have Fox (and last year DeAngelo deserved the PP1 assisgnment).

So we have an $8 million dollar defenseman that doesn't have a big role on our power play. That's a tough cap hit to stomach given the circumstances.

honestly I’m fine with the cap hit considering he will be our oldest defenseman next year most likely.
his play style will also thrive in the playoffs, and as a stabilizing force in the backend has probably helped the development of our kids in general.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Bennett will be qualified.

Really? I would think the 2.55 mill is a bit high for his complete lack of production this year and his team high -16. Every Flames game i have watched this year he has been either invisible or awful. To me he looks like he just wants out.

 

[Avery16]

Trouba is a good player, but the problem I have is we gave up an asset and handed him a 7 yr/56M contract for what we thought was a 50 point defenseman. 18 of his 50 points in his final season with the Jets came on the Power Play. He's not quarterbacking our power play here, and rightfully so since we have Fox (and last year DeAngelo deserved the PP1 assisgnment).

So we have an $8 million dollar defenseman that doesn't have a big role on our power play. That's a tough cap hit to stomach given the circumstances.

Another example of someone we had to pay significantly to get, twice. If we intended to give Trouba that kind of contract, we should have just let him hit UFA to do it and peddled Pionk elsewhere, drafted Heinola.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Really? I would think the 2.55 mill is a bit high for his complete lack of production this year and his team high -16. Every Flames game i have watched this year he has been either invisible or awful. To me he looks like he just wants out.

He has trade value.

 

[Savant]

I'm lukewarm on Trouba.

I think he's not as bad as his biggest critics make him out to be, nor quite as good as others feel he's been this year.

He's still a guy who makes me alternate between cheers and curses, sometimes within the course of mere minutes.

I think he has an important role here, but not necessarily one that is quite as vaunted as it sometimes it portrayed.

I think he's better this year than last year, but I also think he's right back in a situation where he has a LD who compliments him well (and will keep getting better), and playing behind a legit top-notch RD.

So in that sense he's more or less what I thought he'd be - a second pairing defenseman who does his best when the right pieces are around him. How much is that worth and for how long? That's where it gets tricky.

Said it at the time. He’s Rosivzal 2.0

 

[Savant]

Another example of someone we had to pay significantly to get, twice. If we intended to give Trouba that kind of contract, we should have just let him hit UFA to do it and peddled Pionk elsewhere, drafted Heinola.

They should have just kept Hayes

 

[Flan the incredible]

He has trade value.

I would think his trade value is down to either a 3rd or 4th round pick tops. The cap space probably has similar trade value.

Looking at their roster he also might get picked by Seattle for grit. They need to take on salary so they probably wouldn't care about the cap hit.

 

[jay from jersey]

Another example of someone we had to pay significantly to get, twice. If we intended to give Trouba that kind of contract, we should have just let him hit UFA to do it and peddled Pionk elsewhere, drafted Heinola.

The main issue was we bought his significant UFA years. Even after all the drama with the jets Chevy offered him 6.5 on a multi year deal. 8 is def too steep but he’s no Staal or Girardi. He’s only going to be 32-33 when his deal is done. He is a trade worthy piece in the last 3 years of his deal, big right handed minute eating D are always in demand. He’s definitely better this year, he’s also helping miller thru the ups and downs of his first year gaining valuable experience. He was very good against Carolina in the bubble and I expect him to be good when this team is in playoff contention. It was the right deal to make at the time even though he’s 1 to 1.5 mill overpaid

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would think his trade value is down to either a 3rd or 4th round pick tops. The cap space probably has similar trade value.

Looking at their roster he also might get picked by Seattle for grit. They need to take on salary so they probably wouldn't care about the cap hit.

Whatever it is they will get something for him.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think trading him to Detroit would make a ton of sense for everybody.

Imo when the wife is done with her residency, I think he would go to the panthers, Lightning, canes, etc some where down south early since his main home is FLA. some teams definitely won’t have a need for him but there will he others that do. I think gun to my head, he is easier to move then kreider. Not that I think moving Kreids is an impossible task when he has 2-3 years left either

 

[duhmetreE]

Kravtsov would be a better center than Chytil

 

[Alluckks]

I get that they didn't want a team so bad that it was toxic, which I agree with.

Also, I get that they didn't know they'd have Lafreniere and they didn't know Fox would walk on water.

But Kreider and Trouba were just always too expensive to just ice competitive players. Strome and Fast do that better for a combined hit lower than Kreider's.

I won't kill them for Kreider because you could argue that Kreider before his injuries in 18-19 was a unique player that you likely wouldn't find or develop. Kreider of a couple of years ago is something this team really misses.

With Trouba, I never got it. He's a good player but he's just not special. They said "when a player like this becomes available..." A player like what?? He was always the second best RD on the Jets behind Byfuglien. Granted, defensemen don't necessarily have to add much. There's value in just eating minutes without being a tragedy. But he's not getting paid like it.

I think Trouba has helped our young D development a lot, especially Miller

 

[Flan the incredible]

The main issue was we bought his significant UFA years. Even after all the drama with the jets Chevy offered him 6.5 on a multi year deal. 8 is def too steep but he’s no Staal or Girardi. He’s only going to be 32-33 when his deal is done. He is a trade worthy piece in the last 3 years of his deal, big right handed minute eating D are always in demand. He’s definitely better this year, he’s also helping miller thru the ups and downs of his first year gaining valuable experience. He was very good against Carolina in the bubble and I expect him to be good when this team is in playoff contention. It was the right deal to make at the time even though he’s 1 to 1.5 mill overpaid

I dont know why but I think he is eventually traded to Detroit. He can mentor Seider. That would be a good 1 2 punch on the right side. He is from the area. Plus they have plenty of cap space and he would probably waive to go there. I would think if lundkvist does well next year the clock starts ticking.

 

[Chytilmania]

Should really see what we can squeeze out of a desperate team for Blackwell. No way we resign this guy after next season anyway.
Then in the offseason we need to consolidate. Get rid of the plethora of guys that may never get a shot, including Gauthier, and let's get the kids a bigger role.

 

[Cag29]

Kravtsov would be a better center than Chytil

Kravtsov looks very good.

 

[Alluckks]

I get that they didn't want a team so bad that it was toxic, which I agree with.

Also, I get that they didn't know they'd have Lafreniere and they didn't know Fox would walk on water.

But Kreider and Trouba were just always too expensive to just ice competitive players. Strome and Fast do that better for a combined hit lower than Kreider's.

I won't kill them for Kreider because you could argue that Kreider before his injuries in 18-19 was a unique player that you likely wouldn't find or develop. Kreider of a couple of years ago is something this team really misses.

With Trouba, I never got it. He's a good player but he's just not special. They said "when a player like this becomes available..." A player like what?? He was always the second best RD on the Jets behind Byfuglien. Granted, defensemen don't necessarily have to add much. There's value in just eating minutes without being a tragedy. But he's not getting paid like it.

I should also add to my previous post - I don't think Trouba is worth what he is being paid, I think that a more apt contract for him would have been like 6 x 6.5

However, if I had to reason why the Rangers paid up, is because they knew what they were getting with him and they wanted a steady, good skating, and good character veteran D that was also young enough to grow with their rebuild to help steady the ship along the way. I think they were willing to pay extra to ensure that they got something in that department, even if Trouba isn't consistently what we hoped he would max out at.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Said it at the time. He’s Rosivzal 2.0

Rosi was a really good player for us and was always criminally underrated. The biggest issue with him was there were multiple albatrosses when he was on the roster and it made his cap hit seem awful. Trouba is a fine player. Yes, the cap hit is sizable, but it's also not close to what a true #1 would garner. I'm pretty fine with it for now and it's not like he's dead weight.

 

[Machinehead]

I should also add to my previous post - I don't think Trouba is worth what he is being paid, I think that a more apt contract for him would have been like 6 x 6.5

However, if I had to reason why the Rangers paid up, is because they knew what they were getting with him and they wanted a steady, good skating, and good character veteran D that was also young enough to grow with their rebuild to help steady the ship along the way. I think they were willing to pay extra to ensure that they got something in that department, even if Trouba isn't consistently what we hoped he would max out at.

This is a fair point

 

[Cag29]

With consideration to the 81.5 flat cap. I starting to think we should extend Strome instead of trading him. A righty center that clicks with Panarin. Maybe 5.5 for 4

 

[Alluckks]

This is a fair point

I'm also not looking forward to rationalizing how to move him out of here because he is a detriment in his final 3 years or so

But a lot can happen between now and then so we'll deal with that when we get there

 

[RGY]

With consideration to the 81.5 flat cap. I starting to think we should extend Strome instead of trading him. A righty center that clicks with Panarin. Maybe 5.5 for 4

If he was willing to take that, I think he would be signed already.

 

[Cag29]

If he was willing to take that, I think he would be signed already.

I guess if he wants 7m per we have to trade him. I don’t see how that will fit.