Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[IDvsEGO]

ideally we should trade Strome and Howden

I think it really depends on stromes contract asks. If he’s willing to go 5X5, which is a small raise, then I’d keep him. I’d even say 1-2 years of ntc. Buch is a little different. Buch is probably someone who needs to be traded because he’s blocking.
Strome has shown he’s a solid 2C. And chytil hasn’t quite forced the issue yet.

 

[rangers1314]

I think it really depends on stromes contract asks. If he’s willing to go 5X5, which is a small raise, then I’d keep him. I’d even say 1-2 years of ntc. Buch is a little different. Buch is probably someone who needs to be traded because he’s blocking.
Strome has shown he’s a solid 2C. And chytil hasn’t quite forced the issue yet.

This is the biggest thing for me.

Going into this season, we all talked about how important it was to see that "jump" from Chytil to make the organization believe he can be a #2C on a contending team, that hasn't happened. He hasn't even proven that he should be a C long term. I still think he's destined for the wing.

 

[Fitzy]

It all depends on the return for Buchnevich.

There has to be some way for NYR to come away with a good young center on an ELC. We have so many good defensive prospects that the team isn't going to be able to hope to keep all of them.

Edge noted moving on from Lindgren eventually and I agree that might be wise, but not until he is in his late 20's.

 

[cwede]

There is a over-the-top trade thread at Trade "Rumors" page about Byfield/Turcotte and NYR,
but it distilled, in spots, down to some more realistic topics,
and guy mentioned Tyler Madden, maybe for Robertson,
(a thread i replied to, countering their unfamiliarity w MR)
I was aware of Madden, as a 'nucks pick, from WJC, as Northeastern's leading scorer during Hughes' freshman year, and from Toffoli trade. But really only from on-line reading
Figured some folks here might have opinions ...

 

[rangers1314]

It all depends on the return for Buchnevich.

There has to be some way for NYR to come away with a good young center on an ELC. We have so many good defensive prospects that the team isn't going to be able to hope to keep all of them.

Edge noted moving on from Lindgren eventually and I agree that might be wise, but not until he is in his late 20's.

Yeah, I think you let him get his 3rd contract from someone else.

 

[TheDirtyH]

This is the biggest thing for me.

Going into this season, we all talked about how important it was to see that "jump" from Chytil to make the organization believe he can be a #2C on a contending team, that hasn't happened. He hasn't even proven that he should be a C long term. I still think he's destined for the wing.

Chytil looks a lot like other young players who need the opportunity to truly pop. He's been in the plus on most metrics, and in a season where he's broken his hand, contracted COVID-19, and hasn't played with a consistent combination of linemates at all (and with 0 time with any of our top 6 forwards), he's been remarkably consistent.

You can take that consistency and say, he is what he is. But there's another way of looking at it that's really encouraging. Because he's been a consistently positive player for us. His scoring both in raw numbers and especially at a per60 rate are really impressive. Of course it'd be great if Chytil was producing star results in a third line role, but what's his upside really? I think he's proven himself ready to play in the 2C spot, especially if that means playing with Panarin.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah, I think you let him get his 3rd contract from someone else.

That's my thinking as well.

Give him a 3 year deal that takes him to RFA at age 26, then trade him if we've developed sufficient depth. We should know what we have in Jones and Robertson easily by that point, as well as a better understanding of how good Miller is.

He's a great NY Ranger but he screams Dan Girardi if we keep him around too long.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yeah, I think you let him get his 3rd contract from someone else.

I think that makes sense. But maybe go a year longer with the 2nd contract...sign him through 2024. Will be an RFA one year from UFA.

 

[DanielBrassard]

One thing about Lindgren is he's a really good skater which differentiates him from Girardi. I understand the viewpoint and agree with the idea that they shouldn't give him his 3rd contract but I wouldn't have a problem signing him until he's 28-29 and then moving on from him.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

It all depends on the return for Buchnevich.

There has to be some way for NYR to come away with a good young center on an ELC. We have so many good defensive prospects that the team isn't going to be able to hope to keep all of them.

Edge noted moving on from Lindgren eventually and I agree that might be wise, but not until he is in his late 20's.

Lindgren is better and cheaper than Trouba, I would first try to move Trouba. And somehow I doubt we will get a good return for Lidgren especially with how lazy Gorton is lately.

 

[Fitzy]

One thing about Lindgren is he's a really good skater which differentiates him from Girardi. I understand the viewpoint and agree with the idea that they shouldn't give him his 3rd contract but I wouldn't have a problem signing him until he's 28-29 and then moving on from him.

That would also be fine. 3 x 2.8 or 5 x 3.5 would be fair options.

We've seen how he's been put under a lot of pressure this season being the 'go to' top pairing. He's a great compliment to Fox but I think he will look a lot more comfortable when the team has a better balanced blueline with a third pairing that isn't as badly sheltered.

 

[Fitzy]

Lindgren is better and cheaper than Trouba, I would first try to move Trouba. And somehow I doubt we will get a good return for Lidgren especially with how lazy Gorton is lately.

He's cheaper than Trouba, but I wouldn't say he's better overall. He's a solid #4 who is playing with a Norris caliber partner.

Trouba won't be tradeable until 2024. That's around the same time I suggested moving on from Lindgren, so certainly it's possible they both go.

Miller-Fox
Robertson-Lundkvist
Jones-Schneider

At that point. Though, to be honest, Jones and Schneider aren't going to wait around 3 more seasons before the get NHL minutes. It's a good problem to have- a logjam of defensemen, but I just wish they'd hurry up and develop because Smith and Hajek are hot garbage right now.

 

[DanielBrassard]

That would also be fine. 3 x 2.8 or 5 x 3.5 would be fair options.

We've seen how he's been put under a lot of pressure this season being the 'go to' top pairing. He's a great compliment to Fox but I think he will look a lot more comfortable when the team has a better balanced blueline with a third pairing that isn't as badly sheltered.

I think he's handled it incredibly well. He's been great this season and I have no problem with him where he is honestly. Having a better bottom-pairing will help for sure though and keep everyone fresh.

 

[Machinehead]

I get that they didn't want a team so bad that it was toxic, which I agree with.

Also, I get that they didn't know they'd have Lafreniere and they didn't know Fox would walk on water.

But Kreider and Trouba were just always too expensive to just ice competitive players. Strome and Fast do that better for a combined hit lower than Kreider's.

I won't kill them for Kreider because you could argue that Kreider before his injuries in 18-19 was a unique player that you likely wouldn't find or develop. Kreider of a couple of years ago is something this team really misses.

With Trouba, I never got it. He's a good player but he's just not special. They said "when a player like this becomes available..." A player like what?? He was always the second best RD on the Jets behind Byfuglien. Granted, defensemen don't necessarily have to add much. There's value in just eating minutes without being a tragedy. But he's not getting paid like it.

 

[DudMan28]

That's my thinking as well.

Give him a 3 year deal that takes him to RFA at age 26, then trade him if we've developed sufficient depth. We should know what we have in Jones and Robertson easily by that point, as well as a better understanding of how good Miller is.

He's a great NY Ranger but he screams Dan Girardi if we keep him around too long.

Thats how you stay good for an extended period of time. Keep the pipeline stocked by trading from positions of strength where young guys are ready to takeover. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Fitzy]

Thats how you stay good for an extended period of time. Keep the pipeline stocked by trading from positions of strength where young guys are ready to takeover. Rinse and repeat.

Sure. We just have to get good in the first place.

One of the big puzzles this season is that we have a lot of players playing outstanding hockey, and yet we aren't in serious competition to even make the playoffs.

Yes, the third pairing sucks, and yes, the kids aren't scoring a ton, but we've gone 2 rounds deep in the playoffs with much worse rosters.

The 07-08 NYR, 11-12 NYR, 16-17 NYR teams were no better on paper than this current group. They all went 2 rounds deep. No 1.5 PPG MVP candidate Panarin, no Norris caliber defenseman (Though McDonagh was close for a while). All had mediocre players on the third pairing and inconsitent production from the third line. The only distinctions are goaltending and coaching. Shesty hasn't even been statistically worse than Henrik this year, so you kind of have to look at Quinn and say HMMMM

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Chytil was forcing the issue in regards to playing like a 2C before getting injured and catching Covid

With the proper opportunity and health he will be a beast of a center.

I’m not going to come to any conclusions about his future long term with the team because of his play post breaking his hand and Covid

 

[dumpin]

I understand the financial reason for the trade Buch conversations, but I think it would be a hit to team chemistry. He appears to have developed into a team leader and is certainly popular with his teammates.

Are we still in the rebuild or is it time to make a playoff type move like trading the #1 pick and a B prospect for a 20 something year old 2nd line center with upside. That Islander #1 pick got them a couple of good players albeit older stock.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Our D situation:

ADA devalued
Hajek devalued
Smith zero value
Crawley, Bitetto, Raddysh, Geertsen, Ragnarssson, Sjalin, Kjellberg zero value
Rykov devalued
Trouba untradeable
Jones will become UFA in 2 years
Reunanen not much trade value because he only played 1 game because Bitetto was more important to a rebuilding organization
Fox will ask for 10 mil after next season
Skninner has no room at all

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

*yawn*

 

[haohmaru]

I think it's funny.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I say buyout Trouba

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is the biggest thing for me.

Going into this season, we all talked about how important it was to see that "jump" from Chytil to make the organization believe he can be a #2C on a contending team, that hasn't happened. He hasn't even proven that he should be a C long term. I still think he's destined for the wing.

so one thing that might be getting missed. This is less Chytil and more on strome.
chytil’s production is about on pace for a 40pt season. And that’s with the injury and clearly coming back too soon.
Strome however is proving that not only is he a 2C, but that he can do it without Panarin.

His production never dropped with panarin out, he’s starting to play better defensively, and take less penalties.
It’s hard to ask a 21 year old to actually out produce a 2C in his prime.

 

[Avery16]

Yeah, I think you let him get his 3rd contract from someone else.

Lindgren reminds me more of Beukeboom than of Girardi. This market is different from what was present for either comparisons. I think you hold on to someone like Lindgren as long as it makes business sense. We already know it makes locker room sense.

 

[Avery16]