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With the loss tonight and Boston’s winning, we have to strongly consider selling. Especially if we lose again tomorrow and/or Boston wins on Saturday, selling high on some of our guys might be the best course of action. We have to seriously look to the future. It’s the decisions now that’ll dictate what we do for the next 5-7 years. We have the foundation to be a top team for several years. Management has their work cut out for them. This deadline could bear some nice fruit for us.
 
Jones for Ekholm
Chytil for Cirielli

Lafreniere Mika Kakko
Panarin Strome Kravtsov
Kreider Cirielli Buchnevich
Howden Barron Blackwell

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist

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Why do you wanna trade a real terrific dman prospect for Ekholm who is gonna wanna a raise after next year and what is he 30?31? I think it would be a bad idea to pay another dman big money like we did with Trouba.
I mean if we were gonna be serious contenders next year maybe.
 
With the loss tonight and Boston’s winning, we have to strongly consider selling. Especially if we lose again tomorrow and/or Boston wins on Saturday, selling high on some of our guys might be the best course of action. We have to seriously look to the future. It’s the decisions now that’ll dictate what we do for the next 5-7 years. We have the foundation to be a top team for several years. Management has their work cut out for them. This deadline could bear some nice fruit for us.
I'm feeling you are right but what if the offers for Strome aren't that great because of this crazy season that is covid???
Maybe you find a desperate team but I think it's gonna be hard this year.
 
Why do you wanna trade a real terrific dman prospect for Ekholm who is gonna wanna a raise after next year and what is he 30?31? I think it would be a bad idea to pay another dman big money like we did with Trouba.
I mean if we were gonna be serious contenders next year maybe.
And have an 18 million dollar 3rd line
 
So let me get this straight. If we added a Mackinnon, like Laf was compared to we arent a cup contender? Come on seriously? If Laf takes that step we are absolutely in the conversation of a cup. How many 1 goal games have we lost? We are absolutely in that conversation and especially if the kids continue to take a step forward. That can't be debatable.

It is absolutely debatable, and no, even with Mackinnon, this team wasn't going to be a Cup contender. Experience matters. Playoff NHL is a different game than regular season. Zib, Kreider, and Panarin have some playoff experience. Strome had a few games, but they were 5 years ago. Buch had like 5 total games. And that's basically it among the forwards. It's even worse on defense. The only two D with playoff experience are Trouba and Smith. Trouba's playoff history isn't exactly stellar, and Smith is a train wreck in the best of times. I fully expect this team to wash out in the 1st or 2nd round a couple of years in a row, and then make a deeper run or two before being serious contenders for the Cup.

Next you should take those eyes and read up on it because the percentage of low income households in the United States have decreased considerably since the 70s while top income earners have increased. Actually both low income and middle income households have shrunk while top income households have increased significantly. More people are doing better. So your eyes are deceiving you. I would rather not go into it more and would rather talk hockey instead of economics so I will leave it at that.

That's funny, because a non-partisan research organization says that everything you just wrote is incorrect:

6 facts about economic inequality in the U.S.).

I think you are also confusing handing out horrible contracts with cap management. Handing out terrible contracts like Girardi or Staal is obviously bad. Any UFA can ask for the moon and if you give it to him it could screw the team for years. I wouldn't want Fox signed to 12 mill a year and he is obviously ridiculous. Rangers have plenty of cap now and can sign Mika, Strome and Buch to good contracts that are tradeable if and when the kids take the next step. They just have to be smart. If their demands are crazy you absolutely trade them. Kreider and Trouba can also be moved when their NMC's are up.

You know the difference between a horrible contract and a mediocre one? A mediocre contract becomes horrible when you need to move better players that you'd rather keep because you have too much money tied up in players that aren't worth it. Staal/Girardi weren't awful contracts at the time. Most of these boards were quite happy with the numbers. Then we had to start making difficult choices and buying players out and carrying dead cap for years. I'd love it if Zib/Strome/Buch all took sweetheart deals to stay here. I don't really see all (or any, if I'm honest) of them doing that. Zib is coming off of three consecutive years of VASTLY out-playing his contract, and he's late 20s. Same with Strome, but over the last two years. Buch is 25, but he's been getting closer to a ppg and now he's a PK asset as well. All three of them know that they will get paid by someone. The only way they remain here long term, in my view, is if they take a discount to keep the band together or if the Rangers overpay. If the latter happens, we will see the impact over the years of those contracts when we can't supplement the team, or have to bridge a player we'd rather lock up long term, etc. You say we can just move Kreider/Trouba/Mika/Strome/Buch. I'm sure Buffalo thought the same thing when they signed Okposo and Skinner. I'm sure TB thought the same thing when they signed Tyler Johnson. We're already gambling with the Kreider/Trouba deals. It's entirely possible that, in just a couple of years, those guys are the most expensive 3rd line winger/bottom pair D in the league. Eventually ELC's end, and we need to make sure that there is enough cap to keep the kids.

Loved those Detroit teams but their is a cap now so I dont know how possible that is now. Would love to see the Rangers make a run like that though

I actually think the Detroit method is the IDEAL approach for a capped league. If there are prospects always in the pipeline, you always have a replacement for a guy that wants too much of your cap. That's basically what I'm looking to do with Strome, Zib, and Buch. I'd like to see them stay, but there's a number for both cap hit and contract length. If they go past those numbers and draw a line in the sand, I'd rather the team move them for futures than giving them an anchor contract.
 
Laughton is a nice player but gonna want a nice raise and probably term. So not sure if it would be a good idea. This team is gonna have to develop these young kids and maybe get lucky with another Blackwell type signing for peanuts.
Same With Ekholm (I'm assuming that is who you mean). He's still signed next year.
I’m OK giving a Laughton three years. He will be aging out when we need the $. Huge cap room this summer and I’m willing to spend some of it.

I’m OK swapping assets to get Ekholm. He seriously upgrades the back end and buys the Rangers time until young players are ready.
 
Can I say that I don't get all the people writing off Chytil? He's still 21 years old and has been getting better and better with little opportunity. The more people want him traded the more I get "Marc Savard" vibes from him. That was another player that everyone seemed to want to move because they thought he was done developing at 22, and he just kept getting better each year.
 
I’m OK giving a Laughton three years. He will be aging out when we need the $. Huge cap room this summer and I’m willing to spend some of it.

I’m OK swapping assets to get Ekholm. He seriously upgrades the back end and buys the Rangers time until young players are ready.
What kind of assets? you're not getting him without overpaying since the Preds are now relevant again. Maybe in the offseason? I just don't wanna pay another dman 5-6 million plus unless you just plan on having him for one year and then saying goodbye.
We have a legit LHD in Jones coming in 2022-2023 and still think the organization thinks highly of Robertson.
 
What kind of assets? you're not getting him without overpaying since the Preds are now relevant again. Maybe in the offseason? I just don't wanna pay another dman 5-6 million plus unless you just plan on having him for one year and then saying goodbye.
We have a legit LHD in Jones coming in 2022-2023 and still think the organization thinks highly of Robertson.
Off-season. Nashville has projection problems
 
Yeah but I’m not sure that elite talent is elite when the rest of the team is ready. I’d still feel way better if they had a high end center prospect to play with Kakko and Lafreniere, of the same age.
I know this is a hugely unpopular opinion around here, but why not look into trading Kakko or Laf for a similar center prospect? I’m not talking about trading them for Eichel and his contract, I’m talking about a hockey deal for a player of similar age that is cost controlled.

Small sample size for sure but Kravtsov looks like a player too. Something has got to give on the wings, and I’m not sure that it needs to be a vet at this point.

Figuring out this roster puzzle is going to be really difficult. I don’t envy this management team right now.
 
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I know this is a hugely unpopular opinion around here, but why not look into trading Kakko or Laf for a similar center prospect? I’m not talking about trading them for Eichel and his contract, I’m talking about a hockey deal for a player of similar age that is cost controlled.

Who is the best young center not currently in the NHL? Zegras? Byfield?

Small sample size for sure but Kravtsov looks like a player too. Something has got to give on the wings, and I’m not sure that it needs to be a vet at this point.

Figuring out this roster puzzle is going to be really difficult. I don’t envy this management team right now.
 
knowing how lazy Gorton is I don't expect a lot of moves, maximum 2 trades.

A hard working GM that would want the best for the team and try to maximize his assets and sell high and salvage something out of some poor performing players that aren't working out would make a bunch of moves.
 
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The Rangers are 7 points back and the team in front of them has two games in hand and, quite frankly, are the better team with, what, 17 games remaining? If there are assets that you're on the fence about selling then it's time to get off that fence.

The Rangers were guilty all night of forcing passes that weren't there and passing when they should've been shooting. The deserved what they got last night and with Boston winning and them losing, this playoff "chase" charade is over.
 
Yeah I don’t know for sure but I thought they could add bonuses?

No. Only ELCs and 1 year contracts for 35+ players or players coming off a significant injury can have performance bonuses.

Any contract can have signing bonuses, but that's just the part of their salary that is guaranteed (and makes contracts more buyout proof).
 
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The Rangers are 7 points back and the team in front of them has two games in hand and, quite frankly, are the better team with, what, 17 games remaining? If there are assets that you're on the fence about selling then it's time to get off that fence.

The Rangers were guilty all night of forcing passes that weren't there and passing when they should've been shooting. The deserved what they got last night and with Boston winning and them losing, this playoff "chase" charade is over.

BOS also has BUFF at least 5 more time.
 
With the loss tonight and Boston’s winning, we have to strongly consider selling. Especially if we lose again tomorrow and/or Boston wins on Saturday, selling high on some of our guys might be the best course of action. We have to seriously look to the future. It’s the decisions now that’ll dictate what we do for the next 5-7 years. We have the foundation to be a top team for several years. Management has their work cut out for them. This deadline could bear some nice fruit for us.
Sell what exactly? The only guys I'd want to move have NMCs.
 
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I know this is a hugely unpopular opinion around here, but why not look into trading Kakko or Laf for a similar center prospect? I’m not talking about trading them for Eichel and his contract, I’m talking about a hockey deal for a player of similar age that is cost controlled.

Because is there one?

Byfield is probably the highest rated and we just decided we wanted Laf over him.

I'm not giving up Kakko for Lundell, Newhook or Krebs.
 
I don't think we are going to see a sell off anymore. Guys like Smith, sure. But I really doubt any contributing players are traded in the TDL fashion, for futures in other words.

Maybe they get dealt in a hockey deal but why would a contender give what we are looking to add at this point in our build.

And I don't think they gut the roster and leave the team in a bad spot or susceptible to blow outs and losing streaks.
 
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The Rangers are 7 points back and the team in front of them has two games in hand and, quite frankly, are the better team with, what, 17 games remaining? If there are assets that you're on the fence about selling then it's time to get off that fence.

The Rangers were guilty all night of forcing passes that weren't there and passing when they should've been shooting. The deserved what they got last night and with Boston winning and them losing, this playoff "chase" charade is over.

They also missed two wide open nets. I'm all for trading assets and such, but it seems to be a pretty big buyers market this year. I'd rather keep certain players than get pennies on the dollar. Do I like Strome? Not particularly. But somebody has to play center. There is a certain value in keeping the lineup structure somewhat intact for such a young team, especially if the market is poor.
 
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