Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers options at the deadline?? Any speculation on who they would want???

 

[IDvsEGO]

Rangers options at the deadline?? Any speculation on who they would want???

Want or is reasonable?
Newhook/zegras would be our best options and would fit perfectly. But those aren’t going anywhere in a flat cap world.

 

[bobbop]

That's intriguing.. Is it worth the price for the year and a half? I'd do it

His experience could really help.

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist

seems legit. Don't have to play Fox 28 minutes a game. A balanced and steady rotation. Matchup/icetime will vary, based on style of opponent.

The Rangers have so many defensive prospects they are going to have to move someone. The Rangers also have a protection spot on defense available for upgrade. Jones is a real good player. The reason I think he might be available is that I can’t foresee another smallish defenseman with Fox and Lindgren already established and Lundkvist on the way. I just think Ekholm would give them a defensive balance that pushes the Rangers rebuild forward. He would be a terrific mentor for Nils. Best case he gives the Rangers a much needed lift on defense and the penalty kill. Worst case, he gets moved at next years deadline. Even if they make a deal for him after the season (and before the expansion draft) I’m still listening.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Strome is at 4.5 right now.

How cheap do you think hes going to come? Anything over 5 would really be a non starter for me unless we're talking about a super short deal (3 years or less)

Yeah, keep it at 5 million but bonus laden.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

If they’re being moved because of cap constraints, which has been the narrative, I see them being moved for futures only. And replaced internally, not by an expensive outsider.

Exactly! those players would be moved for prob a couple of firsts + when it comes down to it. Those extra firsts are now used with a few prospects and you get yourself your center. then you figure out what to do with Zibs. And if he isnt resigned bc of those very same cap restrictions youre talking about then he is dealt for a young and upcoming center already in the nhl similar to the brassard for zibs deal.

 

[bobbop]

We are not one superstar away from going from a non-playoff team to a Cup contender.

The Rangers are pretty fortunate to have checked the “elite talent” box on their rebuild. What they really need is a couple of solid middle class players, much like the Avalanche have obtained (e.g. Toews, Kadri, Saad) to fill out the lineup.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The Rangers are pretty fortunate to have checked the “elite talent” box on their rebuild. What they really need is a couple of solid middle class players, much like the Avalanche have obtained (e.g. Toews, Kadri, Saad) to fill out the lineup.

Kind of what I said earlier in the thread. If we could spend fewer assets to get a Center who is a 3 zone guy, can up our FO percentage, and is in the 50pt+ zone. I think we get more mileage with that player getting a bump in production with our Wings and shoring up some weakness in the overall game we play.

With our make-up, I'm not sure selling the farm for Eichel and his cap hit, plus his attitude is a wise move. "If" a player like Barkov is available in the future, we can decide if he is an improvement over Zibanejad at that point in time.

 

[Vitto79]

I would just say, be prepared for the Rangers to be stagnant or worse next season without Strome and/or Buch. That’s a lot of points to replace and Chytil, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov might not be there so soon.

why do they have to loose those players exactly ?

they can fit everyone in and the kids are a year older

cut on the cap w Georgiev on Monday

Smith and TDA money can go to Buch , Shesterkin , Lindgren

Chytil won’t get a big raise

 

[LannyMcdonald]

If they’re being moved because of cap constraints, which has been the narrative, I see them being moved for futures only. And replaced internally, not by an expensive outsider.

There are no cap constraints without expensive outsiders. This team is getting a tonne of dead cap space back over the next two years.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I just explained, folks....

what year other than this one has either Boston or Buffalo been in the same division as the Rangers?

1973, I think

 

[RGY]

SELL SELL SELL.

And Trade DQ if you can too.

 

[Savant]

 

[mike14]

Yeah, keep it at 5 million but bonus laden.

Happy to be told I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain that only entry-level contracts and 1-year over 35 contracts can have performance bonuses, so Strome cant have them

 

[Flan the incredible]

We are not one superstar away from going from a non-playoff team to a Cup contender. Miller, Kravtsov, Kakko, Laf, and even Chytil and Shesty will still have some growing pains as they move into more important roles. That's part of the logic of moving guys like Buch and Strome--it allows those younger, cheaper players to start adjusting to those new roles more quickly.

I'm not going to go super in depth on your "don't tax the rich if you love hockey" nonsense (because it's super off-topic), but anyone with eyes can see that the level of income inequality is at record levels in this country.

Strome and even Zib are not Panarin.

Nobody is saying that we shouldn't have a mix. Even if you assumed the team moved all three of Zib/Strome/Buch (which nobody is suggesting), the team still has Trouba, Kreider, and Panarin in veteran leadership roles. Yes, I suggested the possibility of moving Trouba in two years--by that point, Fox, Lindgren, Kakko, Chytil, etc will all be veterans on the team.

If you ignore the salary cap, you invite disaster. We ignored it when we signed Staal and Girardi to their last contracts. Nobody is saying to trade it all away for magic beans. But if Zib plans to go for 10mil per? I'm taking phone calls and seeing if we could get a high end center prospect for him. If Strome wants 8 or 9 million per? Same deal. Buchnevich is a bit different. He's one of my favorite Rangers, and he really seems to help any line he's on, but he's on the right side, and two of our top prospects at that position are already on the roster. All three of them can't be in the top 6, and if we can move Buch for a good young center, that gives us flexibility re: the Strome/Zibanejad situation.

This team "harvested the whole farm" for one big Cup push in 1994. I'd like to see them take a different approach this time, carefully pruning and weeding the farm to do what Detroit did in the 90s. They ALWAYS had some great prospects cooking in the AHL, and made smart moves to become a perennial Cup contender.

So let me get this straight. If we added a Mackinnon, like Laf was compared to we arent a cup contender? Come on seriously? If Laf takes that step we are absolutely in the conversation of a cup. How many 1 goal games have we lost? We are absolutely in that conversation and especially if the kids continue to take a step forward. That can't be debatable.

Next you should take those eyes and read up on it because the percentage of low income households in the United States have decreased considerably since the 70s while top income earners have increased. Actually both low income and middle income households have shrunk while top income households have increased significantly. More people are doing better. So your eyes are deceiving you. I would rather not go into it more and would rather talk hockey instead of economics so I will leave it at that.

I think you are also confusing handing out horrible contracts with cap management. Handing out terrible contracts like Girardi or Staal is obviously bad. Any UFA can ask for the moon and if you give it to him it could screw the team for years. I wouldn't want Fox signed to 12 mill a year and he is obviously ridiculous. Rangers have plenty of cap now and can sign Mika, Strome and Buch to good contracts that are tradeable if and when the kids take the next step. They just have to be smart. If their demands are crazy you absolutely trade them. Kreider and Trouba can also be moved when their NMC's are up.

I agree with you on that 94 team. I hated those trades when they happened. I love what the team is doing building through the draft. Our prospect pool looks really good. I just dont think we need a prospect at every spot and I think the kids need to push the vets out of their spots then you move them. As of right now no one has dethroned Buch, Mika, strome, panarin or Kreider. Will they? I sure hope so. I think people are just getting prospect excited because of what the Rangers have been doing and you arent winning a cup with all prospects. Its never been done for multiple reasons.

Loved those Detroit teams but their is a cap now so I dont know how possible that is now. Would love to see the Rangers make a run like that though

 

[bobbop]

Off season shopping list:

1. Matthias Ekholm
2. Scott Laughton

Room to protect both in the expansion draft.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Tampa has had their core locked up, long term. We have a large part of our core with ELCs ending. Not really 1:1

A team is hard pressed to consistently win in a capped-league, when giving out bad value contracts ( We have one already in Trouba ). That's the point.

I dont think they are as different as you think. They have their star players and caught a huge break with kucherov out this season. They also foolishly handed out all those NMC's and have a contract or 2 that are meh. They would give away Tyler Johnson if they could. I am not a fan of the vasilevskiy deal either as I dont think any goalie should be paid that much.

I also think the kids need to do more if you want to call them our core. Minus Fox and Lindgren the others still have a lot to prove.

 

[Circus86]

I think we should trade Strome and Blackwell. Sell high.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I would be surprised if we do anything this trade deadline. Maybe a swap of one of our borderline expansion eligible forwards. Would love Smith moved but I doubt that happens. Think its going to be pretty boring.

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers are pretty fortunate to have checked the “elite talent” box on their rebuild. What they really need is a couple of solid middle class players, much like the Avalanche have obtained (e.g. Toews, Kadri, Saad) to fill out the lineup.

Yeah but I’m not sure that elite talent is elite when the rest of the team is ready. I’d still feel way better if they had a high end center prospect to play with Kakko and Lafreniere, of the same age.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Yeah playoffs are not happening definitely the time to sell on Strome

 

[bl02]

Off season shopping list:

1. Matthias Ekstrom
2. Scott Laughton

Room to protect both in the expansion draft.

Laughton is a nice player but gonna want a nice raise and probably term. So not sure if it would be a good idea. This team is gonna have to develop these young kids and maybe get lucky with another Blackwell type signing for peanuts.
Same With Ekholm (I'm assuming that is who you mean). He's still signed next year.

 

[bl02]

Rangers options at the deadline?? Any speculation on who they would want???

Stand pat and hope this scouting staff doesn't pick another Lias when we pick a center prospect.
I mean if someone blows their doors off for Strome I guess go for it.

 

[bl02]

Yeah but I’m not sure that elite talent is elite when the rest of the team is ready. I’d still feel way better if they had a high end center prospect to play with Kakko and Lafreniere, of the same age.

Haven't you heard of one goal Karl? He's marinating over there in Sweden. Seriously tho they will need to draft someone at center and not strike out this time.

 

[Vitto79]

Yeah playoffs are not happening definitely the time to sell on Strome

gotta listen and if blown away go for it but it’s gotta be a young C

 

[duhmetreE]

Jones for Ekholm
Chytil for Cirielli

Lafreniere Mika Kakko
Panarin Strome Kravtsov
Kreider Cirielli Buchnevich
Howden Barron Blackwell

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist