Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[GoAwayPanarin]

I could be wrong of course, but I don't see a guy like Strome costing a ton. Especially not in this market.

I DO see some team going bonkers and stupid for Mika and throwing him a truck load of money. I love Mika, but I think he's the guy you regret giving the money to (Krieder too but hey)...

Strome is at 4.5 right now.

How cheap do you think hes going to come? Anything over 5 would really be a non starter for me unless we're talking about a super short deal (3 years or less)

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome is at 4.5 right now.

How cheap do you think hes going to come? Anything over 5 would really be a non starter for me unless we're talking about a super short deal (3 years or less)

I'm confident he'll get around $7M

 

[egelband]

I could be wrong of course, but I don't see a guy like Strome costing a ton. Especially not in this market.

I DO see some team going bonkers and stupid for Mika and throwing him a truck load of money. I love Mika, but I think he's the guy you regret giving the money to (Krieder too but hey)...

Agreed on Strome. Not sure on Mika though. But if they’re comfortable with the medical report, I am too. That’s my only concern there.

 

[Daves a mess]

Strome is at 4.5 right now.

How cheap do you think hes going to come? Anything over 5 would really be a non starter for me unless we're talking about a super short deal (3 years or less)

Yeah. Can't see Strome signing here for anything that doesn't have a 6 in front of it. And 5 years min to boot.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Its weird to see fans more concerned with what the salary cap will look like in 3 years then actually winning a cup.

If Tampa thought that way they wouldn't have won last year.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah. Can't see Strome signing here for anything that doesn't have a 6 in front of it. And 5 years min to boot.

It's his big payday.

He'll be 28, playing the best hockey of his career at the most sought after position.

I would be extremely hesitant to give Strome or Mika over 5 years

 

[smoneil]

Its weird to see fans more concerned with what the salary cap will look like in 3 years then actually winning a cup.

If Tampa thought that way they wouldn't have won last year.

The team isn't really close to winning a Cup, though. And by the time it is, a lot of these kids are going to be on 2nd contracts (ie: the cap crunch will have already crunched). The team will be easing in rookies for major roles through at least two more seasons.

Also, we can't follow the TB method for two reasons. 1- Our state has income tax and 2- If we tried to pull what TB is pulling with Kucherov, the league would actually do something about it.

 

[Flan the incredible]

The team isn't really close to winning a Cup, though. And by the time it is, a lot of these kids are going to be on 2nd contracts (ie: the cap crunch will have already crunched). The team will be easing in rookies for major roles through at least two more seasons.

Also, we can't follow the TB method for two reasons. 1- Our state has income tax and 2- If we tried to pull what TB is pulling with Kucherov, the league would actually do something about it.

This isn't exactly true. If any of the kids turn into a superstar soon we could actually be right there. Second a home town discount is a home town discount. Taxes or not the value of the contract is the value. Everyone of their players arent taking less. Plus if Ranger fans hate it that much maybe don't vote in politicians who just want to tax the "rich". Third if the attitude is when the kids get better they will want more money so we should prepare now we better trade panarin....kidding of course. This board has literally tried to trade every person on the team making more then a mill while blaming the cap. This site is enamored with having a top prospect at every position. You dont win like that. You need a mix. We are the youngest team in the league with what 6 guys under contract that are not an ELC or a minimum deal. People in this thread would trade right now Buch,kreider, trouba, Mika and Strome for prospects. Every single one of them. It would be Panarin and Fox with a bunch of teenagers.

 

[duhmetreE]

Its weird to see fans more concerned with what the salary cap will look like in 3 years then actually winning a cup.

If Tampa thought that way they wouldn't have won last year.

Tampa has had their core locked up, long term. We have a large part of our core with ELCs ending. Not really 1:1

A team is hard pressed to consistently win in a capped-league, when giving out bad value contracts ( We have one already in Trouba ). That's the point.

 

[duhmetreE]

A cup will be won or lost based on decisions made over the next few years.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

you folks don't understand Frederic or Studnicka, then.... and in this era of being divisional opponents why would Boston trade either to the Rangers.

We arent even division rivals outside of this fugazi season

 

[smoneil]

This isn't exactly true. If any of the kids turn into a superstar soon we could actually be right there. Second a home town discount is a home town discount. Taxes or not the value of the contract is the value. Everyone of their players arent taking less. Plus if Ranger fans hate it that much maybe don't vote in politicians who just want to tax the "rich". Third if the attitude is when the kids get better they will want more money so we should prepare now we better trade panarin....kidding of course. This board has literally tried to trade every person on the team making more then a mill while blaming the cap. This site is enamored with having a top prospect at every position. You dont win like that. You need a mix. We are the youngest team in the league with what 6 guys under contract that are not an ELC or a minimum deal. People in this thread would trade right now Buch,kreider, trouba, Mika and Strome for prospects. Every single one of them. It would be Panarin and Fox with a bunch of teenagers.

We are not one superstar away from going from a non-playoff team to a Cup contender. Miller, Kravtsov, Kakko, Laf, and even Chytil and Shesty will still have some growing pains as they move into more important roles. That's part of the logic of moving guys like Buch and Strome--it allows those younger, cheaper players to start adjusting to those new roles more quickly.

I'm not going to go super in depth on your "don't tax the rich if you love hockey" nonsense (because it's super off-topic), but anyone with eyes can see that the level of income inequality is at record levels in this country.

Strome and even Zib are not Panarin.

Nobody is saying that we shouldn't have a mix. Even if you assumed the team moved all three of Zib/Strome/Buch (which nobody is suggesting), the team still has Trouba, Kreider, and Panarin in veteran leadership roles. Yes, I suggested the possibility of moving Trouba in two years--by that point, Fox, Lindgren, Kakko, Chytil, etc will all be veterans on the team.

If you ignore the salary cap, you invite disaster. We ignored it when we signed Staal and Girardi to their last contracts. Nobody is saying to trade it all away for magic beans. But if Zib plans to go for 10mil per? I'm taking phone calls and seeing if we could get a high end center prospect for him. If Strome wants 8 or 9 million per? Same deal. Buchnevich is a bit different. He's one of my favorite Rangers, and he really seems to help any line he's on, but he's on the right side, and two of our top prospects at that position are already on the roster. All three of them can't be in the top 6, and if we can move Buch for a good young center, that gives us flexibility re: the Strome/Zibanejad situation.

This team "harvested the whole farm" for one big Cup push in 1994. I'd like to see them take a different approach this time, carefully pruning and weeding the farm to do what Detroit did in the 90s. They ALWAYS had some great prospects cooking in the AHL, and made smart moves to become a perennial Cup contender.

 

[RGY]

why are we trading for ekholm? who in the top 4 is he displacing, miller?
Ekholm isn't a bottom pair d man

I wouldnt mind reducing Miller’s minutes for this season. You have to remember he is still a rookie. The pair of him and Trouba last game was a gong show. The kid has played a lot. Its a big transition and a lot to ask. There is nothing wrong with pulling back the reins. He is a very fluid skater who with more energy after enduring less minutes, could be very effective.

 

[leetch99]

A cup will be won or lost based on decisions made over the next few years.

I think we have a legit shot at it next season....I really do . I have great faith that KK and Laf and Kravs ALL take a big step forward and Chytil as well . We will score many goals !!! We will have Zibs -Strome-Chytil down the middle and if we keep Buch even for 1 season....we are set on the top 3 lines and have a Barron-Rooney-Gauthier like 4th line...maybe upgrade at either of the 3-4 C spot for a gritty C that can win draws at the deadline .

Sign Buch for 1-3 seasons ...he might want a crack at a cup too . Add Giordano at the 2022 deadline for 2nd rounder+prospect ? ..remember he is not young but can still give us valuable minutes and only here for one playoff and then a UFA ...he might take a cheap deal for another Cup run with us .... factoring in his age and add in Lundkvist on the other side .We then could let Robertson /Schneider season some more .


Miller -Trouba Lindgren will have to do most of the heavy lifting . The only thing I am not sure of is if we can afford that team for 1 year as I'm far from a Cap expert like some on here worse comes to worse we can always let Mika walk and pursure Barkov ? We might have to revamp the roster by then on a larger scale to make stuff fit .

Anyways...things can also change quickly...we have a WHACK of talent...Lundkvist will improve the PP without a doubt . That is a BIG factor . Kravs will also be a HUGE bonus for us...don't sell this team short....this was just a CRAP season...

 

[RGY]

A cup will be won or lost based on decisions made over the next few years.

Which is why you have to consider moving Strome or Buch. Its well documented I am not Strome’s biggest fan, but he has played well, his value is high, his contract expires next year and needs a new contract at 28, there is a lot to consider here. It doesnt make anyone here a “crappy armchair GM” as some other bright individual mentioned, it makes us aware of the situation and logical to assess it moving forward.

 

[bleedblue94]

I wouldnt mind reducing Miller’s minutes for this season. You have to remember he is still a rookie. The pair of him and Trouba last game was a gong show. The kid has played a lot. Its a big transition and a lot to ask. There is nothing wrong with pulling back the reins. He is a very fluid skater who with more energy after enduring less minutes, could be very effective.

I dont disagree in a vacuum, but ekholm is signed through next year. so unless the plan is for miller or ekholm to play 3rd pair minutes than I dont think it make's sense to trade the assets and tie the cap space. If we were talking about before this season it would make more sense bc you see miller getting 3rd pair minutes to be broken into the league, but at this point I think things have changed with millers overall playe this year and if we are adding a new ld it would be someone at a lesser level than ekholm. who knows though...

 

[RGY]

I dont disagree in a vacuum, but ekholm is signed through next year. so unless the plan is for miller or ekholm to play 3rd pair minutes than I dont think it make's sense to trade the assets and tie the cap space. If we were talking about before this season it would make more sense bc you see miller getting 3rd pair minutes to be broken into the league, but at this point I think things have changed with millers overall playe this year and if we are adding a new ld it would be someone at a lesser level than ekholm. who knows though...

I understand your POV on this. But to only be locked in for one more year with Ekholm, that buys more time for Robertson/Jones not to be rushed, and it doesnt overwhelm Miller with big minutes. If you have a 3rd pair you trust enough (Miller-Lundkvist) your minutes can balance out enough where Miller is still getting decent ice time next year, all the while making you more competitive because you have a deeper defensive 6.

If youre not going to move Strome or Buch, then to me youre almost saying we want to push for that last playoff spot, so might as well add to the defense and solve a hole. And you add a piece that could be here next season too.

Where did the Ekholm build up come from? Edge or someone have something?

 

[Chytilmania]

A cup will be won or lost based on decisions made over the next few years.

In what order of importance would you rank these three....coaching decision, trading our loaded pool for NHL talent, and getting Kakko/Chytil/Krav/Laf more playing time/figure out who fits on the roster.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

In what order of importance would you rank these three....coaching decision, trading our loaded pool for NHL talent, and getting Kakko/Chytil/Krav/Laf more playing time/figure out who fits on the roster.

Finding a coach who actually has a clue is #1 and it’s not even close lol

 

[duhmetreE]

In what order of importance would you rank these three....coaching decision, trading our loaded pool for NHL talent, and getting Kakko/Chytil/Krav/Laf more playing time/figure out who fits on the roster.

1a/1b coach + consolidation

I never had an issue with 'TOI' per se ( besides when they get 8 minutes) . It's more about putting them in position to succeed and to compliment their current strengths. Whenever there's more space on the ice, I'd like to see the kids.

 

[Crease]

I would just say, be prepared for the Rangers to be stagnant or worse next season without Strome and/or Buch. That’s a lot of points to replace and Chytil, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov might not be there so soon.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

1a/1b coach + consolidation

I never had an issue with 'TOI' per se ( besides when they get 8 minutes) . It's more about putting them in position to succeed and to compliment their current strengths. Whenever there's more space on the ice, I'd like to see the kids.

We wouldnt have this TOI situation in we had the right coach and he sprinkled the kids in between the vets on the lines. Then just roll 3 lines evenly while getting the 4th line some minutes.

 

[duhmetreE]

wrong thread

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I would just say, be prepared for the Rangers to be stagnant or worse next season without Strome and/or Buch. That’s a lot of points to replace and Chytil, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov might not be there so soon.

If we are trading them, you dont think that some of those assets along with some assets we have now will get us a center to replace strome.. like eichel or larkin,( place a center here)

 

[Crease]

If we are trading them, you dont think that some of those assets along with some assets we have now will get us a center to replace strome.. like eichel or larkin,( place a center here)

If they’re being moved because of cap constraints, which has been the narrative, I see them being moved for futures only. And replaced internally, not by an expensive outsider.