Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[Kendo]

@HatTrick Swayze @Kendo Sorry in the last thread I obviously meant to say that your PP per 60 will be worse if you score after 1:30 rather than 30 sec in to support my position that PP production per 60 stat doesn't make sense.

Your per 60 is better the more PP goals you score (obviously), compounded by the quicker you are to score them.

I mean, it makes sense to everyone else...

 

[Savant]

well that's not going to work.

Maybe Zac Jones?

Zac Jones seems like someone David Poile would like

 

[egelband]

Rangers will 100% be going for a cup this decade. They're still in the convo with Panarin missing 10+ Games in the toughest division. Youngest team in the league 2 years in a row. They have had a top 3 prospect pool for 2 years now. The cupboards are stacked to the brim. It's an embarrassment of riches. The current kids will get older and mature next year. This team isn't far off.

If you want to be in a perpetual rebuild and constantly trade solid NHL players in there prime for picks and prospects I'd suggest the Sabres board.

Thinking about it, losing Panarin for all that time kind of derailed the season.
Russian politics burned us bad. Amazing.

 

[Daves a mess]

Zac Jones seems like someone David Poile would like

Poile is a smart man. I hope Gorts likes Zac more and tries to figure out a way to keep him.

 

[smoneil]

Could we please stop with the Trouba trade fantasies. He has a full NMC for the next 3.2 years. He is n ot going anywhere. He wants to be in New York. He is also having a much better season than last year.

After the 2024 season when the NMC morphs into a limited NTC something could happen then but not before.

Stop trying to twist yourself into a pretzel over this.

Not sure if that was directed at me or not, but I wasn't "twisting myself into a pretzel." I was literally just thinking out loud. It's entirely possible that Lundkvist and/or Schneider doesn't develop the way we hope. It's possible Fox falls off a cliff in terms of play. I have no interest in moving Trouba right now. I was just wondering about a possible solution if things go as we ideally hope they would re: the development of the kids on the right side of the D.

Also, he wanted to be in NY because of the opportunities for his wife re: her residency. Both of them live in Ft. Lauderdale--not NY. That has become "home" to them. NMC or not, if there's an opportunity and it lines up with the end of his wife's residency, it could be an option.

 

[bleedblue94]

why are we trading for ekholm? who in the top 4 is he displacing, miller?
Ekholm isn't a bottom pair d man

 

[smoneil]

When are some going to realize that may be Strome is the solution at 2C? All he's done since joining the Rangers is play well and produced. He meshes perfectly with the Rangers star player in Panarin.

The question we should be focusing on is what to do with Zbad. Take away those two games against Philly and he hasn't been having the best year.

Strome has made me eat crow this year, producing away from Panarin and cutting back on the lazy penalties. The issue with him--and Zibanejad and Buch--will be what their ask is on their next contracts. The way this team is built, we are almost certainly going to have a LOT of money tied up on D and the wings. Our centers are going to have to be a bargain. My worry is that we break the bank to keep Zib, Buch, and Strome now and then have a cap crunch when it comes time to pay Fox, K'Andre, Laf, Kakko, etc. It's obviously not exactly the same (in terms of either talent or position), but the whole thing kind of reminds me of the re-signing of Staal and Girardi. I'd love to keep all three of Zib/Strome/Buch, but it would have to be at the right price, and if the right price won't get it done, we have to start deciding which of those three is a necessity and which is a luxury.

 

[duhmetreE]

well that's not going to work.

Maybe Zac Jones?

That's intriguing.. Is it worth the price for the year and a half? I'd do it

His experience could really help.

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist

seems legit. Don't have to play Fox 28 minutes a game. A balanced and steady rotation. Matchup/icetime will vary, based on style of opponent.

 

[haveandare]

When are some going to realize that may be Strome is the solution at 2C? All he's done since joining the Rangers is play well and produced. He meshes perfectly with the Rangers star player in Panarin.

The question we should be focusing on is what to do with Zbad. Take away those two games against Philly and he hasn't been having the best year.

I think the issue is more do we want someone with his age and contract status at that position with the 1C also open? If they keep Mika and Strome, Chytil is being capped at 3C for the foreseeable future snd were spending a good amount on veteran centers including one playing with a hugely expensive winger who can probably produce next to almost anyone. If they keep Strome and move Mika, is Strome at 1C something people are comfortable with?

I think he’s improved a ton this year but I also suspect we’re seeing his peak now and whatever contract he gets next is going to be pretty ugly after the second year or so.

 

[Kodiak]

When are some going to realize that may be Strome is the solution at 2C? All he's done since joining the Rangers is play well and produced. He meshes perfectly with the Rangers star player in Panarin.

The question we should be focusing on is what to do with Zbad. Take away those two games against Philly and he hasn't been having the best year.

Strome looks like he is filling his role well, but the question is whether the cap hit of his next contract will be oversized for that role. Are we putting $7+ mil into 2C and $9+ mil into 1C? And if we are, are we causing cap issues in other areas?

 

[frozenrubber]

1991-92 Rangers
Messier (31)
Leetch (23)
Graves (23)
Richter (25)

2020-21 Rangers
Panarin (29)
Fox (22)
Zibanejad (27)
Shesterkin (25)

Please don't compare to the 91-92 Rangers unless you personally carry Fox home next winter.

92-93 Rangers, going from the Presidents Trophy to 6th in the Patrick Division was one of the most heartbreaking teams I've ever watched.

Never forget Captain Mike Gartner:

 

[Kodiak]

Yes, but if you take away the two Philly games and then you also need to take away two games in which he did nothing. So if you look since the beginning of March, when his turnaround really began, and take away two games in which he got zero points and the two Philly games in which he got 12 points, that still leaves him with 12 points in 13 games.

His season has been a Tale of 2 Seasons.

After the second Philly thrashing, Zibanejad went invisible again until this past game. He looked great against Pittsburgh, but for the Philly loss, the two games against Washington, and the two games against Buffalo, the Zibanejad line was not noticeable.

 

[Ola]

Columbus is "really open for business" right now. Something I just heard. Anything that we would want and would be realistic from that direction? Jenner? Roslovic? Laine??!! Not sure myself

Was thinking about CBJ as an option for TDA, but I recon that something would have been done by now if it was an option...

 

[egelband]

I'd move both Strome and Buch this weekend.

That would be incredibly hardcore.

 

[frozenrubber]

Was thinking about CBJ as an option for TDA, but I recon that something would have been done by now if it was an option...

If only to see a Del Zotto - DeAngelo pairing....blood (or marinara sauce) would leak from Tortorella's ears.

 

[egelband]

the reports are, he was held out, but is not being dealt....... Nashville had requested a player to be played instead of Studnicka in Steen....as a possible trade option.... all reports are Studnicka's in Providence and is likely a Center in Boston full time....whether it's this year or down the road.

To be fair, an almost-ready centerman is exactly what the Rangers would be willing to overpay for. Sounds like the Bs are in a similar spot, but aside from that it sounds like a good match. Rangers and Bs have recent trade history, too.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

To be fair, an almost-ready centerman is exactly what the Rangers would be willing to overpay for. Sounds like the Bs are in a similar spot, but aside from that it sounds like a good match. Rangers and Bs have recent trade history, too.

not available.

 

[egelband]

When are some going to realize that may be Strome is the solution at 2C? All he's done since joining the Rangers is play well and produced. He meshes perfectly with the Rangers star player in Panarin.

The question we should be focusing on is what to do with Zbad. Take away those two games against Philly and he hasn't been having the best year.

I’m starting to come around to this.

 

[kovazub94]

Your per 60 is better the more PP goals you score (obviously), compounded by the quicker you are to score them.

I mean, it makes sense to everyone else...

This is the point - it SHOULDN’T be better the quicker you score as it doesn’t mater if you score 30 seconds in or after 1:30.

 

[egelband]

Strome has made me eat crow this year, producing away from Panarin and cutting back on the lazy penalties. The issue with him--and Zibanejad and Buch--will be what their ask is on their next contracts. The way this team is built, we are almost certainly going to have a LOT of money tied up on D and the wings. Our centers are going to have to be a bargain. My worry is that we break the bank to keep Zib, Buch, and Strome now and then have a cap crunch when it comes time to pay Fox, K'Andre, Laf, Kakko, etc. It's obviously not exactly the same (in terms of either talent or position), but the whole thing kind of reminds me of the re-signing of Staal and Girardi. I'd love to keep all three of Zib/Strome/Buch, but it would have to be at the right price, and if the right price won't get it done, we have to start deciding which of those three is a necessity and which is a luxury.

The Staal-Girardi comparison is pretty apt. But as long as there are no NTCs it should be cool.

 

[egelband]

If Buffalo does decide to trade Eichel, I would expect the Rangers to make a very good offer and worry about the contracts later.

It just stands to reason.

 

[Savant]

Poile is a smart man. I hope Gorts likes Zac more and tries to figure out a way to keep him.

Yeah. Isn’t really a point to move Jones for Ekholm

 

[Trxjw]

When are some going to realize that may be Strome is the solution at 2C? All he's done since joining the Rangers is play well and produced. He meshes perfectly with the Rangers star player in Panarin.

The question we should be focusing on is what to do with Zbad. Take away those two games against Philly and he hasn't been having the best year.

The problem is Strome is at a point in his career arc where he could have priced himself out of the Rangers future even if he was someone they viewed as an option. He's not that elite #1 center they want and he's going to likely get north of $6.5m on his next deal. That's too much for a high-end second line center on a team that is facing down a long list of major financial decisions.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Could we please stop with the Trouba trade fantasies. He has a full NMC for the next 3.2 years. He is n ot going anywhere. He wants to be in New York. He is also having a much better season than last year.

After the 2024 season when the NMC morphs into a limited NTC something could happen then but not before.

Stop trying to twist yourself into a pretzel over this.

I don't think you should be policing this thread after suggesting that the team bring back Staal.

Shot version: Shut up.

 

[fm]

I could be wrong of course, but I don't see a guy like Strome costing a ton. Especially not in this market.

I DO see some team going bonkers and stupid for Mika and throwing him a truck load of money. I love Mika, but I think he's the guy you regret giving the money to (Krieder too but hey)...