Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVII: Lot’s of Fools in April

[Savant]

These are practice lines, not game lines. And even if he ends up on the 4th line, he'll probably get roughly the same minutes regardless.

You guys overreact to everything.

Obviously practice lines because Howden isn’t in. Got it.

 

[kovazub94]

Waiting for people to realize the Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako line is actually the 4th line whereas the Rooney line is actually the 3rd line...

Now you’ve done it!

 

[Kravtsov420]

These are practice lines, not game lines. And even if he ends up on the 4th line, he'll probably get roughly the same minutes regardless.

You guys overreact to everything.

and you under react to everything, see we can generalize too

 

[TheDirtyH]

Kakko plays with Panarin for like 6 straight games, gets moved down for one game tomorrow, and everyone loses their mind lol. Remind me again who Zegras is playing with (Oh, Sam Carrick and Max Jones), or who Jack Hughes is playing with (Ah, Yegor Sharangovich and Janne Kuokkanen), what about Kirby Dach (hey, he was with Pat Kane last game!), what about Tim Stuzle (Chris Tierney and Drake Batherson). It's not a big deal. Since when did development mean "force feed your young players 16+ minutes on top lines and top PP no matter what?"

Who're you quoting? And why list 4 players with permanent fixtures on top power play units...

 

[kovazub94]

These are practice lines, not game lines. And even if he ends up on the 4th line, he'll probably get roughly the same minutes regardless.

You guys overreact to everything.

Would be funny (not really) if these are not game lines and just Quinn decided to f*** with HFNYRB because it deserves it.

 

[kovazub94]

He's just making bullshit up as he goes along.

Why not just be honest and give the real reasons why you are doing the things you are doing?

Tell the world that Blackwell is being showcased?

 

[Synergy27]

Would be funny (not really) if these are not game lines and just Quinn decided to f*** with HFNYRB because it deserves it.

How do we “deserve it”? By being passionate and wanting more than anything to see the kids, that the team tanked to get, succeed?

Yeah, we sure do deserve to be force fed a rotation of journeyman while we watch our organizational Crown Jewels stagnate.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Say what you want about the first PP unit and whether or not it's got the right personnel and minute share.

Can anyone actually recreate the reasoning that demands reserving a spot on the second unit for K'Andre Miller and Colin Blackwell over our #1OA LW, our #9OA RW, or our 21 year old, hopeful 2C?

 

[SA16]

Say what you want about the first PP unit and whether or not it's got the right personnel and minute share.

Can anyone actually recreate the reasoning that demands reserving a spot on the second unit for K'Andre Miller and Colin Blackwell over our #1OA LW, our #9OA RW, or our 21 year old, hopeful 2C?

Yea, it's simple.

The coach needs to win games to keep his job and eventually get a new job. Lafreniere has 0 points and 1 shot in 53 minutes on the PP. Thus, as much as we want to see him there, he is playing guys who are currently better. In terms of K'Andre Miller it is likely because PP1 is going to start and get the majority of PP time so by the time PP2 comes on he wants an extra dman on the ice because they will probably be on the ice when the PP expires. The logic for Blackwell is just as easy. If he's not on there then every forward on PP2 is a lefty.

It's pretty easy to understand the logic if you take a second to think about it instead of just complaining that it's not how you want it.

 

[DialUp]

How many teams have/had 5(!) developmentally needy, extremely young forwards with promising projections in the lineup all at the same time?
Serious question, I have no idea.
We would think, on these forums, that a balanced lineup is Laf or Krav on line 1 with Buch or Kreider moving down to line 3. Quinn doesn't see it that way because he has no intentions on having 3 "offensive" lines roll equally or close to it. One line is going to get the short end, and as long as Quinn is around, whatever line Chytil is centering will get the 4th line minutes. Quinn was told he has to win and try to get into the playoffs, that has the be the explanation.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Say what you want about the first PP unit and whether or not it's got the right personnel and minute share.

Can anyone actually recreate the reasoning that demands reserving a spot on the second unit for K'Andre Miller and Colin Blackwell over our #1OA LW, our #9OA RW, or our 21 year old, hopeful 2C?

Blackwell is indefensible.

The best argument I can see for Miller is that when you know they are going to spend 20-30 sec a clip actually on the PP with no guarantee of being in the offensive zone due to the shift starting behind your own net, makes sense to have 2 dmen out there and Miller-Trouba are the best defensemen left that can both defend and be competent offensively.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

How many teams have/had 5(!) developmentally needy, extremely young forwards with promising projections in the lineup all at the same time?
Serious question, I have no idea.
We would think, on these forums, that a balanced lineup is Laf or Krav on line 1 with Buch or Kreider moving down to line 3. Quinn doesn't see it that way because he has no intentions on having 3 "offensive" lines roll equally or close to it. One line is going to get the short end, and as long as Quinn is around, whatever line Chytil is centering will get the 4th line minutes. Quinn was told he has to win and try to get into the playoffs, that has the be the explanation.

Basically how I see it as well. Allows him to worry less about matchups against a team like Pitt and shelter 3 kids at once. The irony is that in terms of underlying metrics, Kakko has been an elite defensive forward this year.

 

[Synergy27]

Yea, it's simple.

The coach needs to win games to keep his job and eventually get a new job. Lafreniere has 0 points and 1 shot in 53 minutes on the PP. Thus, as much as we want to see him there, he is playing guys who are currently better.

Does Lafreniere really have that much PP TOI? That seems like a mistake to me. Natural Stat Trick says he has 57 minutes and that Blackwell only has 30. Both seem wrong.

 

[Off Sides]

Say what you want about the first PP unit and whether or not it's got the right personnel and minute share.

Can anyone actually recreate the reasoning that demands reserving a spot on the second unit for K'Andre Miller and Colin Blackwell over our #1OA LW, our #9OA RW, or our 21 year old, hopeful 2C?

Need 3-4 right shots per PP or else it does not match how it's drawn up on that little hockey rink erase board, which no longer erases.

 

[tomobson]

Say what you want about the first PP unit and whether or not it's got the right personnel and minute share.

Can anyone actually recreate the reasoning that demands reserving a spot on the second unit for K'Andre Miller and Colin Blackwell over our #1OA LW, our #9OA RW, or our 21 year old, hopeful 2C?

The 2nd pp has two defensemen because they are usually out with no time left on the pp so they rather have miller and trouba out there to easily transition from pp to even strength. It was definitely not created to score.

 

[bl02]

Yea, it's simple.

The coach needs to win games to keep his job and eventually get a new job. Lafreniere has 0 points and 1 shot in 53 minutes on the PP. Thus, as much as we want to see him there, he is playing guys who are currently better. In terms of K'Andre Miller it is likely because PP1 is going to start and get the majority of PP time so by the time PP2 comes on he wants an extra dman on the ice because they will probably be on the ice when the PP expires. The logic for Blackwell is just as easy. If he's not on there then every forward on PP2 is a lefty.

I think the whole 53 min of pp time is a unfair if you are getting the last 20 seconds of a pp where you're team is scrambling to enter the zone and set up. It's not the same as getting pp time either with the first unit (obviously) or even with a second unit that gets a chance to develop some movement on a pp before time is up.

 

[bl02]

The 2nd pp has two defensemen because they are usually out with no time left on the pp so they rather have miller and trouba out there to easily transition from pp to even strength. It was definitely not created to score.

Exactly. Our 2nd pp is a sham. The only way they can score is by some quick fluke play. It is impossible to ask of any unit to set up the play in 20 seconds when you are 200 ft from the oppositions net. Its a joke.

 

[SA16]

Exactly. Our 2nd pp is a sham. The only way they can score is by some quick fluke play. It is impossible to ask of any unit to set up the play in 20 seconds when you are 200 ft from the oppositions net. Its a joke.

Since the start of March the Rangers PP1 has 70% of the PP TOI. That's 10th in the league. League average is 66%. We need to end this narrative that the PP1 gets ALL the time. It's not true. They are slightly above league average and it feels higher because there have been a few powerplays lately where they have kept the puck in the zone the entire team.

 

[JohnC]

There are no words in the dictionary that exist to describe the hate I have for that man. I never hated AV anywhere close to as much as this guy.

AV was a schmuck who constantly tried to prove he was the smartest guy in the room.

Quinn is just an out of his depth schlub that coaches like a big chicken shit.

AV was easily more hatable.

 

[Synergy27]

Serious question here, and I’m hoping someone like @Edge has some insight, but what is the “type” of trade that this team is going to make to loosen the log jam? No one knows what the specifics would be, but what do we think the conceptual framework of the trade(s) will be?

They definitely don’t need wingers or defenseman. The Center position is a debatable need depending on the plan for Strome.

Do they deal a current top six winger (Buch, Kreider) for a lesser/prospect center? Do they deal one of the prospect wingers, even the “untouchable” ones, for a prospect center? Prospect winger for established center from a rebuilding team?

Do they deal one of the skilled wingers for several lesser, but better than our own, grinders? Like a ‘94 Amonte/Gartner type trade?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Exactly. Our 2nd pp is a sham. The only way they can score is by some quick fluke play. It is impossible to ask of any unit to set up the play in 20 seconds when you are 200 ft from the oppositions net. Its a joke.

That unit is plain bad on top of not getting much time. The PP is worked on in practice, so I can't see any real reason for the second unit to be this bad outside of coaching.

 

[RGY]

Monahan needs a change of scenery

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Does Lafreniere really have that much PP TOI? That seems like a mistake to me. Natural Stat Trick says he has 57 minutes and that Blackwell only has 30. Both seem wrong.

Yea it's accurate. If you look at his game log you can see how it's dropped off.

First 18 games averages - 2.8 PP shift / game, ~2:06 min PP TOI / game, ~44 sec / PP shift
Last 18 games averages - 1.6 PP shift / game, ~1:06 min PP TOI / game, ~42 sec / PP shift

Basically just showing he was taken off PP2 at the end of March.

 

[bl02]

Since the start of March the Rangers PP1 has 70% of the PP TOI. That's 10th in the league. League average is 66%. We need to end this narrative that the PP1 gets ALL the time. It's not true. They are slightly above league average and it feels higher because there have been a few powerplays lately where they have kept the puck in the zone the entire team.

Correct. 1st unit heads off the ice with about 25 seconds left on the pp after the opposition clears the puck the length of the ice giving the 2nd unit pretty much 15 seconds most of the time before they even set up? How is unit supposed to put up any kind of production with that kind of pp time?
So no shock the Laf has zero pp points and Kakko for that matter too.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

These are practice lines, not game lines. And even if he ends up on the 4th line, he'll probably get roughly the same minutes regardless.

You guys overreact to everything.

what’s the purpose of having him play on the 4th line in practice if that’s not where he’s going to be playing? Could we then make an assumption that Kreider will be playing instead on the fourth line since these are just “practice” lines?