Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVII: Lot’s of Fools in April

[jay from jersey]

You will not be in your sweet spot for all 4 years. That is my point. Maybe two of them.

Eichel is a wonderful player. And with tunnel vision, of course he should be pursued. But when you start to consider all the costs, what the landscape is right after the trade does not appear to have such firm footing.

all gona depend on the cost and managements feelings towards what kind of contract Zibby is going to want. Realistically, your top 2 lines get the most ice time/ pp time. For the future I think they see it as
LaF- Zibby/ trade- buch/Kravstov
Panarin- ???/trade- kakko

a myriad of cheap UFA s and kids make up the bottom 6 along with kreider, who will also be on PP.
for arguments sake, say Chytil, buch/ Kravstov , Lundkvist/ Robertson, 1st. Do you do it to plug that 1C hole for 5 years?? I would. Then flip Zibby for Tuch and a 1st and go from there maybe?? I don’t know. But that package isn’t crushing to the rangers as many see it. I think Eichel would succeed here. Maybe even explode playing with panarin or LaF like strome did x 2. Who knows

 

[Chytilmania]

If someone asked me to design my own "ideal" scenario, it would include some of these elements:

• Keep the young talent we have, for now.
• Continue to see how certain guys come along, particularly as they turn pro, and shore up holes by making more informed decisions than guessing and hoping.
• Zibanejad recovers and signs a 6 year, $8.5 million deal.
• If we have to move Buch, focus on acquiring a young-ish center with top six upside as part of the deal.
• Start focusing on depth-pieces. Some of that includes the upcoming draft, and some of it includes finding value free agents like Rooney or Blackwell for roles where we don't need to have to someone locked up on a five year deal.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome/Chytil-Kakko
Laf-Chytil/other-Krav
Cuylle-Barron-whoever

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Hajek-Lundkvist
Robertson-Schneider
Jones-Skinner
Tarmo

Can't see all of Laf, Chytil and Krav on the 3rd line in two years, let alone another full season next year. Lots of guys on D we need to fit in. Gauthier. This doesn't include anyone we draft. Some young guys will need to be moved soon and we'll have to try to cash in on guys like Buch and then move Kreider down to the 3rd line.

 

[jay from jersey]

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome/Chytil-Kakko
Laf-Chytil/other-Krav
Cuylle-Barron-whoever

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Hajek-Lundkvist
Robertson-Schneider
Jones-Skinner
Tarmo

Can't see all of Laf, Chytil and Krav on the 3rd line in two years, let alone another full season next year. Lots of guys on D we need to fit in. Gauthier. This doesn't include anyone we draft. Some young guys will need to be moved soon and we'll have to try to cash in on guys like Buch and then move Kreider down to the 3rd line.

Not to mention if guys like berard, Cuylle, Richards, etc pan out. Some guys are going to have to be traded for a upgrade at a position or 2

 

[bleedblue94]

0 college FAs signed since Quinn tenure. Gorton asleep at the wheel this week. Shame.

We are bursting with prospects. I cant imagine the log jam of kids we have coming is attractive for other kids looking for an easier route to the NHL. There are so many other organizations lacking depth that have much easier routes to the league for these NCAA UFAs. I'm sure that is large a part of it

 

[pld459666]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

I can tell you its never gonna be what people expect it to be

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

0 college FAs signed since Quinn tenure. Gorton asleep at the wheel this week. Shame.

You're not serious, right?

 

[allrevvedup25]

0 college FAs signed since Quinn tenure. Gorton asleep at the wheel this week. Shame.

I know some of these were signed by Hartford. So far this year they have signed James Sanchez and Zach Berzolla (I know not the big names) and last year they signed: Pat Khodorenko, Austin Rueschhoff, Justin Richards and Mike O'Leary from the year before. I know I might have missed someone.

 

[NYR94]

 

[Fitzy]

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Hajek-Lundkvist
Robertson-Schneider
Jones-Skinner
Tarmo

Jones, Skinner and Tarmo are all still l0ng shots. They all have shown a lot of promise but they aren't quite in the same "NHL likely" category as Schneider and Lundkvist. Robertson I'd put somewhere in between.

But if we don't make any moves, having Robertson and Reunanen fight for a spot on the left and Lundkvist and Schneider fight for a spot on the right next year is actually really good competition and a nice spot to be in.

 

[Kovalev27]

getting real hard to ignore the boat while hoping the mystery box is the boat

 

[Chytilmania]

Jones, Skinner and Tarmo are all still l0ng shots. They all have shown a lot of promise but they aren't quite in the same "NHL likely" category as Schneider and Lundkvist. Robertson I'd put somewhere in between.

But if we don't make any moves, having Robertson and Reunanen fight for a spot on the left and Lundkvist and Schneider fight for a spot on the right next year is actually really good competition and a nice spot to be in.

It's a great spot to be in, I'm projecting two years down the road. Can't keep guys down in the AHL or lineup forever and will eventually have to move guys around. Even if Jones, Skinner and Tarmo are long shots they can be useful pieces to trade.

 

[effen]

0 college FAs signed since Quinn tenure. Gorton asleep at the wheel this week. Shame.

Sounds like their agents are doing their jobs. Why would a college kid pick here? And play where? Unless they're damn sure they're an NHL level 2nd line C.

 

[Tob]

getting real hard to ignore the boat while hoping the mystery box is the boat

This is a very interesting way to test just how high can a traditionally 2nd tier roster player go while still holding 2nd tier trade value.

 

[jay from jersey]

getting real hard to ignore the boat while hoping the mystery box is the boat

Not ignoring strome has played very well. But 3 of those 4 are younger and integral parts to their teams signed long term. 3 play on 1st line against top D, 1 plays 2nd line with the best winger in the world while Zibby draws the tough match ups. 1 does not and he’s the guy playing with arguably just as much talent as the other 3 especially on the PP. not a shot at strome. He’s gone above and beyond what we all thought but lumping him with these 3 guys just on points and + /- in a year is kind of cherry picking

 

[kovazub94]

I never thought Strome was a permanent solution, but after seeing what he's done these last three years, and the chemistry he has with Panarin, I don't know if Eichel is better than having Strome and Zib, with maybe Chytil shifting to the wing. At the very least, I'd pass on Eichel and give up less assets to go out and get a cheaper 2nd line center.

TBH, if Strome continues to perform as he’s done so far keeping him at, let’s say $6.5m AAV would probably make either Eichel or Zibanejad (even at $8.5m) options unaffordable beyond 21-22 season. Given the choices I think Strome is gone while Chytil should be able to step up while playing on affordable long term (hopefully) or a bridge contract behind a big time 1C.

 

[Kovalev27]

Not ignoring strome has played very well. But 3 of those 4 are younger and integral parts to their teams signed long term. 3 play on 1st line against top D, 1 plays 2nd line with the best winger in the world while Zibby draws the tough match ups. 1 does not and he’s the guy playing with arguably just as much talent as the other 3 especially on the PP. not a shot at strome. He’s gone above and beyond what we all thought but lumping him with these 3 guys just on points and + /- in a year is kind of cherry picking

look at stromes numbers away from panarin this year

and I’m just showing you a tweet that’s the company he’s in here. We can try to tear him apart all we want but this isn’t the only impressive stat line for him. It’s a constant he’s performing as one of the best centers in the league this year.

 

[kovazub94]

So now we have Eichel. We still have to move Zibanejad. We probably aren't committing to Strome long-term. We no longer even have Chytil as a third line option. So right off the bat, we're going to have anywhere from two to three different centers behind Eichel than we did before we acquired him.

Buch, because of his next contract, probably still gets moved (it's a distinct possibility regardless of whether we acquire Eichel or keep Zibanejad). But now we don't have Kravtsov potentially stepping up to fill that role. Now we have Kakko and maybe Gauthier? That's a big drop off.
...

This is what scares me the most when you start playing out Eichel acquisition scenario. With the flat cap and already carrying Panarin and Kreider’s contracts on a wing and Trouba’s on defense it’s imperative that the Rangers keep and continue to find more of cheap options to build a full roster, rather than bringing a $10m contract that also includes a cost of losing such affordable options.

 

[jay from jersey]

look at stromes numbers away from panarin this year

and I’m just showing you a tweet that’s the company he’s in here. We can try to tear him apart all we want but this isn’t the only impressive stat line for him. It’s a constant he’s performing as one of the best centers in the league this year.

Yes I know strome had a great 10 games when panarin was out. I’m not calling out your post. I’m not even down on strome. He’s been a good soldier. But giving him anything beyond 2-3 years at around 5-5.75 could be a road down oh shit alley. I don’t think there are A lot of teams ready to throw money and term at him even though he’s been very good

 

[Avery16]

We're really going to regret those last ten years of the contract.

 

[Daves a mess]

Casey never "roughed" anyone before in his life.

 

[Daves a mess]

Casey never "roughed" anyone before in his life.

 

[Kocur Dill]

This is a very interesting way to test just how high can a traditionally 2nd tier roster player go while still holding 2nd tier trade value.

95% of HFB was convinced Henrik Karlsson was getting a retirement contract as VGK 1st line center a few years ago.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Hopefully GMJG is as smart as GMGM.

 

[kovazub94]

You are not wrong to have this concern. That is why any commitment to ZBad has to come on a team friendlyish type of contract. $8 & under.

The other thing, and I know full well that this is not such a popular concept, is that as Edge and others have correctly pointed out, the path that this team is on will have the wings as the dominant players, the defense as one of the top ones with at least one elite player and great in net. The centers at that point, just need to be able to blend in. They need not be play drivers or elite. In other words, to one degree or another, they need to be Stromes and blend. In this scenario, no trading assets for Eichel, no trading Buchnevich and yes to trading ZBad. Sign Strome to a 3 year extension and let him continue to play with Panarin. Trade ZBad and a young center hast to be part of the deal that can step in and play 3C. And for better or worse, sink or swim with Chytil as 2C.

How much you’re expecting that Strome signs for if you think Zibanejad’s next contract will be prohibitive to keep / afford?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

look at stromes numbers away from panarin this year

and I’m just showing you a tweet that’s the company he’s in here. We can try to tear him apart all we want but this isn’t the only impressive stat line for him. It’s a constant he’s performing as one of the best centers in the league this year.

Panarin has been involved in only 15 of Strome's 33 points this season.

In the 11 games Panarin missed this season, Strome recorded 9 points.

 

[kovazub94]

Not ignoring strome has played very well. But 3 of those 4 are younger and integral parts to their teams signed long term. 3 play on 1st line against top D, 1 plays 2nd line with the best winger in the world while Zibby draws the tough match ups. 1 does not and he’s the guy playing with arguably just as much talent as the other 3 especially on the PP. not a shot at strome. He’s gone above and beyond what we all thought but lumping him with these 3 guys just on points and + /- in a year is kind of cherry picking

Jeez, how about a simple fact that Strome is in conversation with these guys (we all know he’s nowhere near their level) to begin with? The player Gorton acquired to play on the 4th line and cost Spooner who didn’t have a place on the Rangers rebuilding roster then and has been out of the NHL altogether for a couple of seasons? This Strome is being mentioned with the likes of McKinnon and Matthews!