Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVI: Spring into action (GMJG outta hibernation?)

[GAGLine]

Someone else. If you can trade a goalie for a 1C (who is younger than Igor) you do it and then you figure the rest out later.

It's not like we'd be trading Igor for Eichel 1 for 1. And finding another goalie is easier said than done.

 

[Rongomania]

If Gorton somehow manages to 'Zibanejad' Zibanejad in a trade for a young potentially elite C I'd be completely ok with that step back momentarily. And we'd really see what Fil Chytil has in him - which I am really starting to believe Chytil is perfect for modern/future NHL style and can't even see a ceiling for him currently. Would not shock me if he is a 1C within two years.

Mika + Nils has got to be worth a f*ck-ton around this league.

Who has the best C prospects who could stand to lose them for a slight overpayment?

Even if Mika + Nils doesn't cut it we can make a package that addresses the needs of one of the teams with a sub-23yr old studly C.

 

[Savant]

It's not like we'd be trading Igor for Eichel 1 for 1. And finding another goalie is easier said than done.

Sure, but I am more than. Comfortable with Igor as a centerpiece compared to Fox (who is the only guy I wouldn’t trade in general). Finding a goalie is easier than finding a 1C. The Rangers have put a ton of draft capital in that position under Gorton, develop one of those guys. You have a much better chance of finding a goalie late or in Europe. Look at a guy like Kevin Lankinen who was UDFA. Cam Talbot and Antti Raanta weren’t drafted. Some handsome Swedish guy was a 7th. A ton of mid round picks leading the NHL in goalie minutes right now. You can find a goalie. You aren’t getting an Eichel type like that. Odds are significantly lower. Goalies can develop late too and you can find late bloomers. Nothing against Igor, just better value to get 1C

 

[haveandare]

The Eichel stuff is nuts. Nobody gets a return like that unless it’s one that only looks that lopsided in hindsight when pieces hit or exceed their ceilings.

For the “someone like this never gets moved” talk - we hear that every year about some guy or another. Top players get moved in situations like these. They don’t happen a ton, but they absolutely do happen.

 

[DudMan28]

I agree on Buffalo likely saying no to that offer. But even if Fox looks right value-wise, why would the NYR offer him up if no other team has an asset equivalent to Fox on the table?

If the NYR really want Eichel, they will only offer enough to beat other offers that are out there. Admittedly this is a bit of a poker game as there is no way Gorton will know every other offer on the table. But I think there is a high probability, and would operate under the assumption that no other team has a Fox to give - and therefore there is no reason the NYR should have to include Fox to have the best offer. This is predicated on Buffalo feeling that they have to move Eichel and are just finding the high bid...it also assumes NHL GMs are rational actors.

Agreed there’s no way we include Fox. This feels like when we wanted Sergachev included in the deal for Mcdonagh and most TB fans wouldn’t even do that trade straight up.

I might be in the minority but I wouldn’t trade Fox for Eichel straight up. Fox is having a Norris caliber season at 23.

 

[mas0764]

Goaltending is just a really fickle position re-consistency. Look at Cam Talbot's 18-19 season. Most goalies have bad years, it's just that we got one of the most consistent starters in NHL history with Hank.

Question with Georgiev is whether this is a blip year, or if he is on the Roman Cechmanek path out of the league.

Also- inventing my own rumor. Florida is in position to make a run in the postseason this year and needs secondary scoring. Would anyone say no to a Buchnevich for Lundell deal?

Gosh I hate losing Buch but I think you have to do that deal.

 

[Vitto79]

Waiver eligible would mean he would need to pass through waivers to be placed on the taxi squad. If we lose Kincaid on waivers and we do not acquire another goalie that fulfills the minimum exposure requirements before the expansion draft, Georgiev would have to be exposed to Seattle.

yea and Georgiev won’t be exposed so we need Kinkaid to hang around

 

[MarkMessyay11]

The Eichel stuff is nuts. Nobody gets a return like that unless it’s one that only looks that lopsided in hindsight when pieces hit or exceed their ceilings.

For the “someone like this never gets moved” talk - we hear that every year about some guy or another. Top players get moved in situations like these. They don’t happen a ton, but they absolutely do happen.

Everyone seemingly disregards cap implications in these deals too. No team is trading cost-controlled talent with ceilings like Kakko, Laf, Byfield, etc. for a player making $10M per year. It has never happened, nor will it as long as the salary cap exists...especially while staring at a flat cap for upwards of 4 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Id be more worried about Georgiev if we didnt have A) benoit allaire B) Garand, Lindbom, Wall, Huska. Allaire either fixes Georgiev or atleast one of them turns into a backup. Or option C) we sign one. So for me, just keep Georgie and hope for the best, but be prepared for plan b and c

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Agreed there’s no way we include Fox. This feels like when we wanted Sergachev included in the deal for Mcdonagh and most TB fans wouldn’t even do that trade straight up.

I might be in the minority but I wouldn’t trade Fox for Eichel straight up. Fox is having a Norris caliber season at 23.

Your point is well taken and I'd be inclined to agree...but if it was a straight swap (with some salary going to Buffalo), you'd have to seriously consider it and hope Lundkvist fills some of the void.

It's a moot point though. Fox isn't going to be in any trade discussions no matter how much Sabers' fans try to delude themselves.

 

[wafflepadsave]

This isn’t the same Ola from like, 5 years ago.

I’m pretty sure he’s using. Totally addicted to lucky charms or some bullshit.

You thinking about putting him on waivers?

 

[BKGooner]

That LA trade is crazy. Is there any trade in recent history that would be even close to that? Or do you have to go back to the Lindros and Gretzky trades?

Other than the cash, more has been given up for players not named Gretzky. Have to think Lindros was the biggest haul in players and non NHL assets.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I honestly don't think Buffalo moves Eichel anyway. They should trade the guys they can, retool and hire some guys that know how to run a team and a bench. To me, Eichel and Dahlin are the face of the franchise, move anyone else that brings value and or cap space back. Kevyn Adams seems like a smart guy but he shouldn't be handed this mess, and neither should Kreugar.

 

[pld459666]

Guys like Nash never get traded

Guys like Hall never get traded

Guys like Thornton never get traded

Guys like Gretzky never get traded.

None of those guys ever get traded.

EVER

 

[bobbop]

You thinking about putting him on waivers?

Taxi Squad

 

[haveandare]

Guys like Nash never get traded

Guys like Hall never get traded

Guys like Thornton never get traded

Guys like Gretzky never get traded.

None of those guys ever get traded.

EVER

Karlsson, Hall, Seguin, PLD also off the top of my head. A lesser 1C who “never gets traded” was traded literally this year.

 

[Fitzy]

In the flat cap era (next few seasons)

we would be really dumb to trade a bunch of potential ELC contributors for players with salary.

These guys are what are going to let us keep a fleshed out roster

 

[eco's bones]

When the Sabres were trying to move O'Reilly, those talks were about how they were not willing to take anything less than an overpay. It seems like the organization hasn't learned from their past now with Eichel.

Of course you cannot give him away for nothing, but looking to get guys that were just drafted in the top 5, some not even in the NHL just yet, is just not something that happens. They aren't going to be able to get a Byfield type player from the Kings. Someone like Fox isn't going to be in that deal.

People bring up the Matt Duchene trade, but that was just a really bad move by Ottawa and Nashville where Colorado took advantage of both organizations. Buffalo should be trying to get 5 pieces, with two of those being high end pieces, another two that are good pieces, and a draft pick.

Some people might not like it, but the Rangers package would be something like this in that mold: 2021 1st, Chytil, Lundkvist, Gauthier, and one of Robertson/Jones.

To make an Eichel deal money and term has to go back the other way. We just can’t take on a long term $10 million contract.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I’m at the point where I’d only consider Eichel of he’s forcing his way to the Rangers specifically. I’m not actively looking to trade for him.

 

[Synergy27]

Agreed there’s no way we include Fox. This feels like when we wanted Sergachev included in the deal for Mcdonagh and most TB fans wouldn’t even do that trade straight up.

I might be in the minority but I wouldn’t trade Fox for Eichel straight up. Fox is having a Norris caliber season at 23.

You might be in a the minority but you’re definitely not alone. Fox is a more valuable player than Eichel in my eyes. Easily the most valuable asset the team currently has as well in my opinion.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I honestly don't think Buffalo moves Eichel anyway. They should trade the guys they can, retool and hire some guys that know how to run a team and a bench. To me, Eichel and Dahlin are the face of the franchise, move anyone else that brings value and or cap space back. Kevyn Adams seems like a smart guy but he shouldn't be handed this mess, and neither should Kreugar.

Retool? That roster needs a grenade chucked into it. There are people who post on this board that have more experience than Kevyn “I’m a mouthpiece for the Pegulas” Adams.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I’m at the point where I’d only consider Eichel of he’s forcing his way to the Rangers specifically. I’m not actively looking to trade for him.

He can’t he doesn’t have a no trade.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

He can’t he doesn’t have a no trade.

he will after next season I believe, so if they don’t trade him soon, they’ll run out of say. it’s hard to say what their mindset as an organization is.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Every team says they won't settle for anything less than an overpayment. Then they settle for an underwhelming return.

The Sabres can wait while their fans balk at ticket purchases and hope this mix of players performs totally differently than they have for a decade.

Something has to give there. They can't trade the rest of the team. Skinner at $9 mil? If they could have gotten a good return for Risto, they probably would have done it by now. The owners are blocking his trade? Ok, you are done as a franchise until you get a new owner like the Blackhawks.

Take a package deal and pivot. No one is getting a sudden windfall in cap space. No one is throwing the Sabres a life preserver. No one is trading away multiple rookie contracts in this climate. Buffalo is just trying to salvage some modicum of leverage with this lip service.

And for some reason, Buffalo isn’t happy with risto, so he might be part of the of the package. If that was the case, then the Rangers would have to eat that contract or try trading him to yet another team. That would reduce the cost but highly unlikely of happening.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

he will after next season I believe, so if they don’t trade him soon, they’ll run out of say. it’s hard to say what their mindset as an organization is.

That he does. But I don't think this thing gets passed this off season. They will want to trade him before the NMC kicks in so that they can have as many eligible suitors as they can.