Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It’s too bad they don’t have a center prospect.

They have Hållander but I prefer Amirov

 

[kovazub94]

They have Hållander but I prefer Amirov

Amirov could be Kaprisov level special if he continues to develop at his current pace but it’s not here or there as the Rangers have wings overflow.

 

[Good Intentions]

Prospect mania is an addiction. How many organizations have been rebuilding on paper for a decade? This isn’t a video game in dynasty mode, losing is a culture killer. You do not root to lose so that you can take a stab at some 17-year-old child

 

[GAGLine]

With taxes, escrow and cost of living, he's middle class for Manhattan.

Where's the NHLPA in all of this? The players are going to get shafted for the next 3-4 years

The players made out pretty well in the deal regardless. Their salaries aren't prorated despite only playing 56 games and escrow is capped. It could have been a lot worse.

 

[rangers1314]

I may have missed it, but is Tarmo still up?

 

[Circus86]

I think we have 3 big holes we need to fix in the future.

1. Center situation. At this point it's difficult to tell what we should do. Maybe the best bet is to wait a while. See what's happening with Mika. Strome has been our best C lately, but I still don't see him long term here. But if Mika does not improve we might be forced to trade Mika, not Strome.

2. Our D. At this point we only have one true NHL quality D pair with Fox-Lindgren. We have a lot of prospects incoming. But is it wise to throw our young prospects right into 2nd pairing, giving them too much responsibility early on? Like someone posted I think this is what happened with Miller. A better place for him at this point would be 3rd pair. I think we need to add another experienced solid 2nd line D man to help the kids. I also don't like Trouba. He should be producing way more with that cap. Moving him will be difficult. If Trouba had half the cap I would be ok with him.

3. Decent backup goalie. Geo needs to improve, otherwise we have to look at options here.

 

[Leetch3]

I may have missed it, but is Tarmo still up?

he was sent to the taxi squad yesterday for cap purposes. but that means nothing as kakko and kinkaid were moved there too...whether or not he plays is tied to fox's status. if fox remains on the covid list than he plays. if fox can return then someone has to come out and he'd be one of the options.

 

[wafflepadsave]

At BU Quinn coached Eichel, Grzelcyk, McAvoy, Brady Tkachuk, Greenway, Keller, Forsbacka-Karlsson, Shane Bowers, Evan Rodrigues, Keifer Bellows, Dante Fabbro, Jake Oettinger and a half dozen other low end NHL picks.

The years Quinn’s team finished 1st were the years he had Eichel, Grzelcyk, Rodrigues and a few other low end draft picks like AJ Greer, or McAvoy, Bellows, Fabbro, Keller, Greenway, Forsbacka and Oettinger. They never won a championship.

I’m not sure how you measure the quality of a coach when they’re getting guys like Eichel, McAvoy, Tkachuk, Keller, etc. come through their program routinely. That team with McAvoy, Fabbro, Oettinger in net, Keller, Greenway, Bellows, etc… can it really be bad at the NCAA level? Most of these guys are already drafted before their freshman year so they’re already super standouts.

Are you a development coach because Eichel and McAvoy, Tkachuk and Keller chose your college? Do you really get credit for how good these guys are? If he coached a non-prestigious hockey school to success it would be a lot more impressive than a program that consistently attracts NHL 1st round talent.

Please don’t go there. That would mean gorton didn’t analyze that situation right.

 

[Leetch3]

Amirov could be Kaprisov level special if he continues to develop at his current pace but it’s not here or there as the Rangers have wings overflow.

a young center would be ideal...but positional depth can change in a hurry. guys get hurt, guys get traded or don't pan out. not to mention with the way our future cap looks we are going to need to be able to backfill positions after guys price themselves out. so in other words just keep adding talent and guys that can play...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think we have 3 big holes we need to fix in the future.

1. Center situation. At this point it's difficult to tell what we should do. Maybe the best bet is to wait a while. See what's happening with Mika. Strome has been our best C lately, but I still don't see him long term here. But if Mika does not improve we might be forced to trade Mika, not Strome.

2. Our D. At this point we only have one true NHL quality D pair with Fox-Lindgren. We have a lot of prospects incoming. But is it wise to throw our young prospects right into 2nd pairing, giving them too much responsibility early on? Like someone posted I think this is what happened with Miller. A better place for him at this point would be 3rd pair. I think we need to add another experienced solid 2nd line D man to help the kids. I also don't like Trouba. He should be producing way more with that cap. Moving him will be difficult. If Trouba had half the cap I would be ok with him.

3. Decent backup goalie. Geo needs to improve, otherwise we have to look at options here.

I don't think Miller is playing over his head but i do think he's trying to do too much. When he first came in he was making quick plays, staying ahead of the other team, now its like he's trying to be Leetch and thats not who he is or who we need him to be. He needs to settle in and play smart defense like he was earlier, more the way Hajek is playing.

 

[kovazub94]

a young center would be ideal...but positional depth can change in a hurry. guys get hurt, guys get traded or don't pan out. not to mention with the way our future cap looks we are going to need to be able to backfill positions after guys price themselves out. so in other words just keep adding talent and guys that can play...

Plus the grass is always greener... I bet if we stepped back then Zibanejad (when healthy), Chytil (still a LOT of room to develop) and (lucky) Strome is a pretty good C group with proper pieces around them. The only problem at the moment is one injury or illness and the impact on the roster is significant!

 

[Reway10]

 

[Daves a mess]

Don't know if it's been posted but Ralph Kreuger has been shit canned this am.

 

[Avery16]

 

[RangersFan1994]

good for Danny G. I wish he was behind the Rangers bench. since he played most of his career here. Hope the Rangers bring this warrior home someday.

 

[Bruner4329]

Plus the grass is always greener... I bet if we stepped back then Zibanejad (when healthy), Chytil (still a LOT of room to develop) and (lucky) Strome is a pretty good C group with proper pieces around them. The only problem at the moment is one injury or illness and the impact on the roster is significant!

How long are we going to use health as an excuse for Zibs play? Forget the fact he can't shoot on net but his lack of winning faceoffs and his turnovers are killers.

 

[Shadowtron]

Prospect mania is an addiction. How many organizations have been rebuilding on paper for a decade? This isn’t a video game in dynasty mode, losing is a culture killer. You do not root to lose so that you can take a stab at some 17-year-old child

An old member of the board said people were obsessed with shiny futures.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Great for Girardi. One of those guys I will always wish the best for. Seems like a great person to be around.

 

[bl02]

I don't think Miller is playing over his head but i do think he's trying to do too much. When he first came in he was making quick plays, staying ahead of the other team, now its like he's trying to be Leetch and thats not who he is or who we need him to be. He needs to settle in and play smart defense like he was earlier, more the way Hajek is playing.

I know I will probably get Killed for saying this especially after last game where he took a few too many unnecessary chances BUT I don’t wanna totally neuter this kid like our forwards have been. We pretty much have no one who can skate the puck with that kind of speed and back off the d to try to create space for some damn offense. He’s doing what the other kids on this team should be doing but are not or are not capable of doing right now.

 

[kovazub94]

How long are we going to use health as an excuse for Zibs play? Forget the fact he can't shoot on net but his lack of winning faceoffs and his turnovers are killers.

Well it looks to me that Zibanejad's coming a round so hopefully not much longer. Otherwise I don't recall you complaining about faceoffs or turnovers last season when he scored over 40 goals or even two seasons ago when he was pacing at a PPG. Or do you think Covid specifically targets just a particular part of a game, like let's say a pulled groin?

 

[Raspewtin]

I know I will probably get Killed for saying this especially after last game where he took a few too many unnecessary chances BUT I don’t wanna totally neuter this kid like our forwards have been. We pretty much have no one who can skate the puck with that kind of speed and back off the d to try to create space for some damn offense. He’s doing what the other kids on this team should be doing but are not or are not capable of doing right now.

Absolutely. No desire to scratch him. He made some dumb decisions but i would MUCH rather him be too aggressive and take it as a learning experience than be a passive shot blocking dime-a-dozen defenseman. especially with that skating.

HF rightfully wants the kids to learn from their mistakes and develop on the team, well let Miller do that.

 

[bl02]

Absolutely. No desire to scratch him. He made some dumb decisions but i would MUCH rather him be too aggressive and take it as a learning experience than be a passive shot blocking dime-a-dozen defenseman. especially with that skating.

HF rightfully wants the kids to learn from their mistakes and develop on the team, well let Miller do that.

yep and I know I’m being a hypocrite because I wanna win as much as anyone else but I’m happy Quinn didn’t sit him and kept putting him out there. These kids have to be given some liberty to show the unique tools they have. And with K’Andre it’s his skating and ability to get the puck and quickly skate it up ice if no outlet pass is there.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Prospect mania is an addiction. How many organizations have been rebuilding on paper for a decade? This isn’t a video game in dynasty mode, losing is a culture killer. You do not root to lose so that you can take a stab at some 17-year-old child

let’s hope this rebuild actually builds into something b/c you’re right.

 

[NYSPORTS]

An old member of the board said people were obsessed with shiny futures.

respectfully, those ridiculing the shiny new toy seem equally reluctant to change by obsessing over old toys.

 

[NYblades]

Given that Eichel is out indefinitely with an injury, as well as Buffalo just fired their head coach Krueger, that's not surprising.