Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later
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- Jul 16, 2005
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I'm sure mentioning this is like summoning a certain poster from the depths, but I wonder what Buchnevich straight up as an asset (or Buch + top 3 protected '21 first round pick) could return in terms of young top centers.
If Buch gets sold as a 25 year old top line RW, can he bring back a 20-22 year old burgeoning young 1C type? (Newhook, for example? Krebs? Or someone already in the league?)
Cause I continue to get stuck on this future wing depth that isn't going anywhere:
Panarin
Kreider
Lafreniere
Kakko
Yes that's 3 left wings and one RW, but Kravstov is in the pipeline at RW too. And the issue isn't so much that "one of those three LWs will move to second line RW" but rather, we are going to invest big money down the lineup at 1LW, 2LW and 3LW, thefore 2RW or 3RW will need to be done on the cheap a la Jesper Fast." That's not necessarily smart by investing $5m+ in Buch and then having him play third line RW someday.
Yes, that leaves a massive hole for the time being at 1RW, but we obviously aren't really much of a playoff contender this season anyway and by dealing Buch (and by extension not trading for Eichel) we would have a very healthy amount of cap space next offseason to chase a short term temporary solution at 1RW. And by getting a center you are solving a huge problem that is looming for your roster construction anyway.
Just day dreaming.
If Buch gets sold as a 25 year old top line RW, can he bring back a 20-22 year old burgeoning young 1C type? (Newhook, for example? Krebs? Or someone already in the league?)
Cause I continue to get stuck on this future wing depth that isn't going anywhere:
Panarin
Kreider
Lafreniere
Kakko
Yes that's 3 left wings and one RW, but Kravstov is in the pipeline at RW too. And the issue isn't so much that "one of those three LWs will move to second line RW" but rather, we are going to invest big money down the lineup at 1LW, 2LW and 3LW, thefore 2RW or 3RW will need to be done on the cheap a la Jesper Fast." That's not necessarily smart by investing $5m+ in Buch and then having him play third line RW someday.
Yes, that leaves a massive hole for the time being at 1RW, but we obviously aren't really much of a playoff contender this season anyway and by dealing Buch (and by extension not trading for Eichel) we would have a very healthy amount of cap space next offseason to chase a short term temporary solution at 1RW. And by getting a center you are solving a huge problem that is looming for your roster construction anyway.
Just day dreaming.
Synergy27
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Funny, because some might also view it as what's right with this board. A board that is quite focused on Hockey's Future and prospects after all.
That last win was great, but I totally understand what Tob is getting at. No one expects to win anything this year. We know that the current veteran core isn't good enough to win. Hence, what many people are focused on and hoping to see this season is progress and growing contributions from the kids who we all hope will eventually lead the team to the Cup.
That's honestly the only thing I care about. I have next to no interest in watching the first PP unit, for example. I watch these games because I am excited about our youth and I want to see them doing things that will allow me to keep the faith that they will eventually get us to that long awaited Cup.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Is there any chance Kravs gets in a few games and outproduces KK ? What is going to happen then ?What if he pots a few goals and assists...how does that play out then with Gauthier-Buch-KK....are the latter two considered more as trade bait then or Kravs as trade bait . Is this year 2 or 3 of Krav's ELC ? Kravs at the moment is kind of a big wild card for the club . It should not be too hard to out score the Finn . Maybe Kravs arrival will actually light a fire under KK's azz . It certainly needs one .
Now, now, now. If the kids aren't playing where I expect them to play, then I have no interest. You just proved my point.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
What if in the next year or the following the Leafs approached us on Matthews . How would those trade scenarios play out . I think there is a time factor also involved here that could alter a deal done in 2021-22 season versus a deal done in two years time/ 22-23 year . What do our board trade experts figure has to go back in a deal for Matthews and make the Cap work on both sides ....they get their win now Cup...and we get our win in 4 years Cup ? Matthews is up for renewal in Summer of 24-25 . I know some of you guys play with this stuff all day and have a better idea on cap figures and such then an old fellow like myself .....have fun .
all good points! JG still has some work to do even after winning two lotteries.
To trade an asset like Buch is a big deal. But we really didn’t draft any productive center last two drafts so the trade market may have to be the way.
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Barring any significant injury... I think this is the roster for the rest of the season. Maybe a call up eventually for Reunanen or Barron.
I really would like to see Chytil given some time to PK. If this season is about experience and growing, I would like 'the future' to get all the experience they can. Especially on special teams.
IMO we can win with Zibs + another good top9 2way center. Hoping Chytil can develop into that. He has the toolbox. Strome is a luxury and although he's not terrible on defense, he's not 'matchup' good.
I really would like to see Chytil given some time to PK. If this season is about experience and growing, I would like 'the future' to get all the experience they can. Especially on special teams.
IMO we can win with Zibs + another good top9 2way center. Hoping Chytil can develop into that. He has the toolbox. Strome is a luxury and although he's not terrible on defense, he's not 'matchup' good.
Synergy27
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That's not what I said at all. I said that I have no interest in watching the 1st PP Unit (Strome, Panarin, Zib, etc.). The only thing I am interested in is watching the kids develop. I take very little satisfaction from a game that is completely carried by the vets.
EDIT: I like the shadow edit by the way, but again, not what I am saying. I'm not saying that the kids should be on PP1, just that the success of the vet laden PP1 is a secondary factor for me this (and probably next) season.
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Veterans and rookies all play for the same team, there's only one. There's always going to be that mix. Panarin, Kreider, Trouba maybe even Zib will be here long after these young guys are no longer rookies. You need a mix between the two to win a championship. Doesn't have to be one or the other. I guess I just don't get this selective fandom.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I wouldn't call it selective fandom, rather selective focus. We all know what we have in Panarin, Kreider, etc. We all know how far our previous core was able to bring us. I am watching this team looking for signs that the next group has (or will have) what it's going to take for the team to take the next step. I care less about wins this season than I do steps being taken by the current non load bearers because that's what's going to ultimately matter 2-3 years from now.
Trading for Matthews would completely undermine the entire rebuild. It would take nearly all of the important assets we have gained over the last handful of years and put us right back at square one, and we would certainly not end up with anything after 4 years of Matthews being here considering the supporting cast that would be left over.
I think the one trade scenario that could (stress could) be plausible is if Florida determines they won’t be able to resign Barlow and will have to make a preemptory move.
I could get real excited about that.
I could get real excited about that.
Fitzy
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Hell yeah.
He may not score quite at the rate of Eichel, but his style of game is so much better suited to playoff hockey.
Barkov would be great but that seems like wishful thinking. Most accounts say that he really enjoys playing in Florida. Couple that with the fact that the team is winning, has competent coaching and management, and an ownership who is more than willing to spend money and I don't see a reason for him to jump ship.
Amazing Kreiderman
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I'd argue Barkov is better than Eichel overall.
Calad
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I'd much prefer Barkov to Eichel. Florida is poised to make a deep run this year, hes not going anywhere cause that team needs some success after all the money they spent last year.
EdJovanovski
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Probably, but Eichel is going to be available, while it's not as clear Barkov will be.
Calad
Section 422
With Panjuniemi lighting it up in Liiga for Kakko's own TPS, its gonna force a few decisions for the rangers on the RW with the expansion draft looming and general roster space. Presuming LP is coming next season, theyre looking at:
Buch
Kakko
Kravstov
Gauthier
Panjuniemi.
Panjuniemi looks like he has a scoring skillset, so burying him on the 4th line would be harmful for him development, I think he'll end up fighting with Kravtsov for the 3rd line RW slot next camp or else end up in hartford.. So unless they envision Gauthier as being able to adjust his game to be a 4th line energy type(which I think his skillset would be amiable to) then he will end up being exposed in the ED.
Buch
Kakko
Kravstov
Gauthier
Panjuniemi.
Panjuniemi looks like he has a scoring skillset, so burying him on the 4th line would be harmful for him development, I think he'll end up fighting with Kravtsov for the 3rd line RW slot next camp or else end up in hartford.. So unless they envision Gauthier as being able to adjust his game to be a 4th line energy type(which I think his skillset would be amiable to) then he will end up being exposed in the ED.
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