Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later

[E-Train]

He provides life to whatever line he's on right now which is how he finds himself playing with strome and panarin. Gauthier may as well be 5'2, he's not running anyone over. I don't think any of PDG, Blackwell or Gauthier is on the roster next season.

Yes. We’ve been through this before. I see Goat far more valuable than you do.

 

[duhmetreE]

Again i said soon

and this is my point we need to move a guy or two and we most certainly cannot give money to another winger in buchy even if we all like him

we need to turn him into a center

Most modern systems have all forwards interchanging their positions/roles on offense/transition, no? Faceoffs and defensive awareness is obviously important but I can't see why a kid can't make that switch/adjustment. Yes, it's something he's never done but it doesn't mean he cant do it. ( actually @Amazing Kreiderman said he did it for a tournament ) As far as I can remember, Buch never PK'd before this year... how'd it work out?

IMO Kravtsov has the toolbox/skillset to do it.. Size, speed and skill.. From what I remember, he's a student of the game.. Worth a shot

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yes. We’ve been through this before. I see Goat far more valuable than you do.

And more than the coaching staff.

 

[E-Train]

And more than the coaching staff.

And how many posts in the past 2 months trash this coaching staff??

 

[TheBloodyNine]

And how many posts in the past 2 months trash this coaching staff??

Not enough

 

[Machinehead]

I want to see a pissed off, angry Kakko on the ice.

Put him in a cage before the game and poke the shit out of him with sharp objects or something.

This sounds like a Monster's Ball match.

 

[Tob]

Kaapo is very mood dependent. If he's not feeling it or doesn't have that confidence, things changes on the ice. I suspect Vitali is ran on hype and emotions a lot more than the average player too. Lias too. We drafted a ton of moody teenagers. Fil seems to be the most stable out of all of them.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

And how many posts in the past 2 months trash this coaching staff??

By what qualified person? I'm not saying i defend the coach but your taking advice from a hockey forum board of people who could be anywhere from ages 6 to 86 and have hockey knowledge from not know anything to knows a quite a bit and there's no way to decipher which is which here unless you subscribe to the "if they agree with my opinion they must be smart" theory. Gauthier has the tools but i honestly think he fancies himself as a goal scorer, which at the nhl level he isn't and until he can contribute in another area he's gonna be grouped in with Rooney(who plays center or wing, takes faceoffs, decent defensively), Lemieux (brings a physical element and toughness to the team), Howden(good penalty killer, and plays center or wing) and PDG. I wish you were right, hes big, fast and could score at lower levels but honestly, do you think Carolina gives him up without knowing this is what he is given he is fast, big and scored a bit in the AHL. i mean they played him 5 games in the nhl before deciding he was better off somewhere else and traded him for a guy who will likely never dress for them unless they get annihilated with injuries. A lot of guys have the talent but for whatever reason they can't translate that to the nhl. There are literally dozens of Gauthiers through many leagues, he'll never be a top 9 player on this team past this season which means he needs to learn to be good at something else much like Howden did or Dominic Moore did when he got older. Gauthier is very Nieves like in the nhl.

 

[RGY]

And how many posts in the past 2 months trash this coaching staff??

Apparently if you coach in the NHL you could never possibly get things wrong, make mistakes, or have poor evaluations. Never.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Apparently if you coach in the NHL you could never possibly get things wrong, make mistakes, or have poor evaluations. Never.

Id rather have a guy who was hired by an original six team making decisions about hockey than Phil from the bronx in his dads basement posting on HF.

 

[E-Train]

By what qualified person? I'm not saying i defend the coach but your taking advice from a hockey forum board of people who could be anywhere from ages 6 to 86 and have hockey knowledge from not know anything to knows a quite a bit and there's no way to decipher which is which here unless you subscribe to the "if they agree with my opinion they must be smart" theory. Gauthier has the tools but i honestly think he fancies himself as a goal scorer, which at the nhl level he isn't and until he can contribute in another area he's gonna be grouped in with Rooney(who plays center or wing, takes faceoffs, decent defensively), Lemieux (brings a physical element and toughness to the team), Howden(good penalty killer, and plays center or wing) and PDG. I wish you were right, hes big, fast and could score at lower levels but honestly, do you think Carolina gives him up without knowing this is what he is given he is fast, big and scored a bit in the AHL. i mean they played him 5 games in the nhl before deciding he was better off somewhere else and traded him for a guy who will likely never dress for them unless they get annihilated with injuries. A lot of guys have the talent but for whatever reason they can't translate that to the nhl. There are literally dozens of Gauthiers through many leagues, he'll never be a top 9 player on this team past this season which means he needs to learn to be good at something else much like Howden did or Dominic Moore did when he got older. Gauthier is very Nieves like in the nhl.

Again, there’s plenty of evidence of Quinn’s incompetence. Gauthier, to me, has shown more NHL potential longevity than Nieves ever did. Unlike the players you’re linking him to, he’s never been on waivers. Until he has, leave him out of that pile of stiffs.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Again, there’s plenty of evidence of Quinn’s incompetence. Gauthier, to me, has shown more NHL potential longevity than Nieves ever did. Unlike the players you’re linking him to, he’s never been on waivers. Until he has, leave him out of that pile of stiffs.

Except everyone said the same thing about Nieves, i never bought it then, i don't buy it now. While I'm not opposed to changing coaches, Quinn and the rest of the staff see this guy every day and as a group, Martin included, and Ruff before him, and they decide that some days the team is better off without him, as did the Carolina Hurricanes. My point is that Gauthier needs to be good at something and not average at everything in order to stick around.

 

[RGY]

Id rather have a guy who was hired by an original six team making decisions about hockey than Phil from the bronx in his dads basement posting on HF.

Its a very good attempt at being funny, but it doesnt change the fact that NHL coaches get things wrong all the time. Things change and what was once deemed to be a good hire, because they all start out that way, eventually can sour for many reasons and the coach is fired. NHL coaches get fired all the time.

It amazes me the lengths some people will go to defend a player, a coach, or an organization. As if they are all exempt from criticism. And not only that we have to read nonsense like something, something, you’re at home on your couch, what do you know, you don’t have the credentials to critique anyone. Its absolutely ridiculous.

And Lmao who cares that were an Original Six team. We have 4 cups in our “illustrious” history...I would venture to say that is all the more reason to trust the moves this organization makes even less...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Its a very good attempt at being funny, but it doesnt change the fact that NHL coaches get things wrong all the time. Things change and what was once deemed to be a good hire, because they all start at that way, eventually can sour for many reasons and the coach is fired. NHL coaches get fired all the time.

It amazes me the lengths some people will go to defend a player, a coach, or an organization. As if they are all exempt from criticism. And not only that we have to read nonsense like something, something, you’re at home on your couch, what do you know, you don’t have the credentials to critique anyone. Its absolutely ridiculous.

And Lmao who cares that were an Original Six team. We have 4 cups in our “illustrious” history...I would venture to say that is all the more reason to trust the moves this organization makes even less...

I don't defend Quinn I've said id prefer Gallant since a while now but Quinn has more qualifications than 30 anonymous posters who never see Gauthier practice, never see him off the ice, don't know his personality or what makes him tick or even watch him react to things that happen during a game and that goes not only for Quinn, but Martin, Gorton, JD and the Hurricanes GM and his staff as well. Since you jumped into this, where do you see Gauthier playing next year?

 

[Tob]

Well, it seems to me like this is more about the frustration over guys like Lemieux, Howden, Gauthier going nowhere fast. Maybe that's how it was always meant to be but I doubt it with the combined skillset of those 3, none more evident than Gauthier. The lackluster growth and performance over the last 3 years between our forward prospects that are nowhere close to what we expect or wanted them to be, we're going to hammer Quinn ever chance we get because it's time for a different solution to working with these 6 soon to be 7 kids.

We're not beholden to Quinn. The only decision making process is what will benefit our forward prospects at this point. Quinn has done well with Fox, Lindgren Miller but we shouldn't sacrifice the offensive growth of the kids that are going to make or break our future because Quinn has done a few things well.

Last night's win was great but boy, even with 4 goals, I wanted to see something from Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil or Lemieux, or Gauthier (and Howden). We're winning meaningless games except for moral victory and learning how to win but if Buch, Mika, Bread, Stromer, Kreids are the ones doing all the heavy lifting, it's not a moral victory at all.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I share in the frustration of Lafreniere and Kakko not exploding on the scene because we haven't had high picks like that before and we all hoped it would be but it doesn't always work that way, and especially in a pandemic. Look at Zib, i mean who would have guessed when we shut down this is how he'd look? He would have been the last to 2nd last player id have expected to regress like this, he's unrecognizable as a player, its a different year a lot of variables are in play and it is what it is. I still believe the cream rises to the top and that these two players are good enough they will be excellent players for us down the road no matter who is coaching now, i feel Lafreniere is more likely a star than Kakko and I really don't think its fair to throw them overboard yet until we have a normal offseason, with a normal training camp etc etc etc.

 

[Tob]

I share in the frustration of Lafreniere and Kakko not exploding on the scene because we haven't had high picks like that before and we all hoped it would be but it doesn't always work that way, and especially in a pandemic. Look at Zib, i mean who would have guessed when we shut down this is how he'd look? He would have been the last to 2nd last player id have expected to regress like this, he's unrecognizable as a player, its a different year a lot of variables are in play and it is what it is. I still believe the cream rises to the top and that these two players are good enough they will be stars down the road for us no matter who is coaching now, i feel Lafreniere is more likely a star than Kakko but I really don't think its fair to throw them overboard yet until we have a normal offseason, with a normal training camp etc etc etc.

pandemic, no playing time, no practice time, different country, young group, tough division. Quinn is on his 3rd year with months to years with many of these kids. Forget about blaming or excuses. If Quinn doesn't produce result with these kids, just move on. We all saw that a veteran presence on defense with Jacque did for us immediately. Defensively good enough to be in the top 10 and PK that's out of this world. We're not developing Oliver, Brown, and Quinn. Edmonton made all the same excuses for 5 years until McDavid made them a relevant team and only barely.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I share in the frustration of Lafreniere and Kakko not exploding on the scene because we haven't had high picks like that before and we all hoped it would be but it doesn't always work that way, and especially in a pandemic. Look at Zib, i mean who would have guessed when we shut down this is how he'd look? He would have been the last to 2nd last player id have expected to regress like this, he's unrecognizable as a player, its a different year a lot of variables are in play and it is what it is. I still believe the cream rises to the top and that these two players are good enough they will be excellent players for us down the road no matter who is coaching now, i feel Lafreniere is more likely a star than Kakko and I really don't think its fair to throw them overboard yet until we have a normal offseason, with a normal training camp etc etc etc.

yes, it always works that way. For everyone but the Rangers. And I guess the Devils last year but they had their own Quinn behind the bench.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im not defending Quinn either, i could take him or leave him but Lafreniere doesn't look as quick or as physical as he did before he was drafted and I do think not playing for 10 months had a lot to do with it.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Rooney, Blackwell, Gauthier and PDG have a making of a very decent 4th line.

I just wonder if Blackwell does better in a top-9 role than a 4th line role.

Also wonder if Gauthier has enough potential to be swapped elsewhere for another prospect if we need to shore up C depth.

 

[DialUp]

Here's the reality: for the Rangers to start properly competing for the cup in the near/mid future, Kakko and Laf need to be .8 ~.9 ppg players. If they keep them, and yes, both of them. Zib and Strome may not be here at the end of next year, Buch might be gone in April. They have to step up, starting next year. They have the pedigree, and a few "flashes", but it's so far from a slam dunk that it sends my drinking into ionosphere.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Again, there’s plenty of evidence of Quinn’s incompetence. Gauthier, to me, has shown more NHL potential longevity than Nieves ever did. Unlike the players you’re linking him to, he’s never been on waivers. Until he has, leave him out of that pile of stiffs.

People have been begging for what seems like seasons for stable lines and good partners for the kids. Whenever he does it, it seems like they look good and the team performs. A bunch of randos get it...

 

[Tob]

 

[Synergy27]

Can’t they just do a test? I don’t understand these quarantines. Tests are not hard to come by at this point are they?

 

[Kovalev27]

Most modern systems have all forwards interchanging their positions/roles on offense/transition, no? Faceoffs and defensive awareness is obviously important but I can't see why a kid can't make that switch/adjustment. Yes, it's something he's never done but it doesn't mean he cant do it. ( actually @Amazing Kreiderman said he did it for a tournament ) As far as I can remember, Buch never PK'd before this year... how'd it work out?

IMO Kravtsov has the toolbox/skillset to do it.. Size, speed and skill.. From what I remember, he's a student of the game.. Worth a shot

from wing to wing sure. From center to wing ok. But from wing to center? Not easy

if there’s a guy to do it it’s kravtsov for me though. I loved his game at center during the WJC.