Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[leetch99]

But Barkov isn't an option until he actually gets to ufa. It is the same thing as saying Shane Wright may be the option here bc technically it is possible we draft him...

In all likelihood....Barkov never leaves Florida .

Just thinking out loud......but if ,[a huge one possibly]...Laf-Chytil-KK all become40- 50+ point guys next season and Kravs pots 35 +pts while adding a heavy forecheck presence ?....that is a huge boost to our offense and for sure more goals per game which should mean more wins . Barren and Blackwell man the 4th line wings and Howden at C unless we find a more experienced draw taker on an expiring deal. Maybe Howden finds his groove with better wings ?

Our D will be better because of more experience and our PP quite possibly should be more effective with the addition of Lundkvist and of course the growth of Lafreniere/Kravs/KK . I also like the idea of adding Giordano[or an equivalent ] as a UFA at the deadline or possibly sooner , who makes 6.75 which would be about a 1/3 ? at the trade deadline 2.25 million . Maybe the Flames eat half for a pick or so ? Nice pick up for the left side for the playoffs despite his age . Run a D out there for the playoffs of Lindgren-Fox /Miller-Trouba/ Giordano-Lundkvist .....possibly breaking up Trouba and Miller to have a bigger guy on every unit .

I honestly think it is possible to grab a quick one if Igor is solid ....our defense is upgraded.....and our young stallions up front are ready to run which makes our third line a lot more valuable . Add in Zibs -Panarin-Kreider and there are not many clubs running out a lineup like that next season . As far a Quinn....well....who knows ?


It's just not that far off . Remember....the Penguins caught an early Cup .

 

[GAGLine]

They gotta pay Barkov, Bennett is a RFA. Wennberg and Gusev are UFA. I haven't watched them that closely but last I checked Bennett and Wennberg were their 2/3C. Going Buch and Barvkov is going to cost them way more than 14m, with huge holes at C.

They might re-sign Wennberg, but he hasn't put up the kind of points that will earn him a big raise. Bennett isn't in line for a big raise either. Gusev sucks. I doubt they re-sign him and if they do, it will be for cheap. Barkov is UFA the year after. They will have more money then.

 

[Off Sides]

Wouldn't have Florida been more interested in Buchnevich this past trade deadline than this summer?

 

[kovazub94]

In all likelihood....Barkov never leaves Florida .

Just thinking out loud......but if ,[a huge one possibly]...Laf-Chytil-KK all become40- 50+ point guys next season and Kravs pots 35 +pts while adding a heavy forecheck presence ?....that is a huge boost to our offense and for sure more goals per game which should mean more wins . Barren and Blackwell man the 4th line wings and Howden at C unless we find a more experienced draw taker on an expiring deal. Maybe Howden finds his groove with better wings ?

Our D will be better because of more experience and our PP quite possibly should be more effective with the addition of Lundkvist and of course the growth of Lafreniere/Kravs/KK . I also like the idea of adding Giordano[or an equivalent ] as a UFA at the deadline or possibly sooner , who makes 6.75 which would be about a 1/3 ? at the trade deadline 2.25 million . Maybe the Flames eat half for a pick or so ? Nice pick up for the left side for the playoffs despite his age . Run a D out there for the playoffs of Lindgren-Fox /Miller-Trouba/ Giordano-Lundkvist .....possibly breaking up Trouba and Miller to have a bigger guy on every unit .

I honestly think it is possible to grab a quick one if Igor is solid ....our defense is upgraded.....and our young stallions up front are ready to run which makes our third line a lot more valuable . Add in Zibs -Panarin-Kreider and there are not many clubs running out a lineup like that next season . As far a Quinn....well....who knows ?


It's just not that far off . Remember....the Penguins caught an early Cup .

I'm an optimist and I share this view too. Again if you remove the early season disasters (and even if you don't) and simply extend this season to a normal 82 game length, I think the Rangers are getting into the playoffs this year (and with more than a comfortable cushion if we add a wildcard format). Everyone being a one year older is a significant improvement in itself and then there's additional organic improvements (such as replacing Smith with Lundkvist on the 3rd pair, Robertson vs Hajek and / or Barron vs Howden).

 

[True Blue]

Wouldn't have Florida been more interested in Buchnevich this past trade deadline than this summer?

Not necessarily. The Rangers also never made him available so it is hard to gauge anyone's interest when you know said player is not available.

 

[Off Sides]

Not necessarily. The Rangers also never made him available so it is hard to gauge anyone's interest when you know said player is not available.

How do you know they did not make him available?

 

[jay from jersey]

I know where they had him ranked. That was nothing to do with if they believe that he is a sure fire 1C.

No one is talking about trading a sure fire 1C for Buch. Who does that even look like? We are talking about prospects. And not one of the names bantered is a sure fire 1C. As such, be it Newhook, Lundell, Holloway, etc. I need more in the package if I am trading a sure fire top line, two way playing RW in the prime of his career.

The problem is, if you want a young center, even an unproven one on a ELC your going to have to over pay. Even though those guys have proven nothing next to Buch. They still have name recognition from the draft, and as long as they didn’t tank in their first development year no one is going to trade them unless they feel like they are getting the more proven player. Especially in this financial climate. It sucks but it is what it is. It’s the cost of doing business. Colorado wouldn’t even trade the Newhook pick for Kreider. All these GMs know centers are at a premium. Especially young cheap ones. I have a feeling to get the player we want a lot of us are going to feel like we gave up too much, or lost the trade right away. Even if we give a little more value, our system can take the loss as long as it’s not done too often.
That’s why I laugh when names like Zergas and Byfield showed up in the Eichel thread. With those 2 pedigrees bet your bottom dollar the teams that drafted them are going to want them to play first and see what they have. Whether it’s the right or wrong decision.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Wouldn't have Florida been more interested in Buchnevich this past trade deadline than this summer?

Reading the tea leaves, I get the sense we weren't actively selling.

 

[Fitzy]

I get the feeling the Rangers are going to play a lot of hardball with non arbitration eligible RFA contracts a lot down the line to stay cap compliant.

The DeAngelo type minimal payments may well become the new normal for a lot of teams prior to RFA eligibility

 

[jay from jersey]

Ottawa traded their third line rw for Rangers first line center. Zib was behind Ryan and Stone at Rw. But he was also used as center behind Turris. Ottawa had a one to two year window before Kalsson and Stones contracts ended. They did not have the time to develop Mika any more at center. So they traded him for an established one. Because of their short window. And it was almost jack pot for Ottawa. They knocked Rangers out of the playoffs in the second round before they lost in overtime in game seven to Pittsburgh in the Conferance final. If Zib is traded this summer that series against Ottawa is the last and only playoff series hes had with New York. Maybe Ottawa won that trade after all?

It was a cash trade plain and simple. Ottawa got a player whose contract was mostly paid, so they wouldn’t have to pay Zibby. They just wanted someone to add similar statistics to their team for less money. That’s why internal cap teams are so screwed. I feel bad for their fans. They dealt Silfverberg for similar reasons. If Ottawa actually paid their players, they would have a pretty good team right now

 

[Off Sides]

Reading the tea leaves, I get the sense we weren't actively selling.

Perhaps, yet if they were planning on trading Buchnevich for what would be considered a very good C prospect, before last deadline makes a lot more sense than trying to do so after. It kind of makes me question how committed they actually could be to that idea.

 

[kovazub94]

The problem is, if you want a young center, even an unproven one on a ELC your going to have to over pay. Even though those guys have proven nothing next to Buch. They still have name recognition from the draft, and as long as they didn’t tank in their first development year no one is going to trade them unless they feel like they are getting the more proven player. Especially in this financial climate. It sucks but it is what it is. It’s the cost of doing business. Colorado wouldn’t even trade the Newhook pick for Kreider. All these GMs know centers are at a premium. Especially young cheap ones. I have a feeling to get the player we want a lot of us are going to feel like we gave up too much, or lost the trade right away. Even if we give a little more value, our system can take the loss as long as it’s not done too often.
That’s why I laugh when names like Zergas and Byfield showed up in the Eichel thread. With those 2 pedigrees bet your bottom dollar the teams that drafted them are going to want them to play first and see what they have. Whether it’s the right or wrong decision.

Sorry, you can't make a blanket statement like this. The cost of doing business hits on both ends: if you're a GM of a team that is in prime window of competing for SC it's your cost of business to give up futures (near prospects and / or picks) for a ready made NHL tested talent. Of course a part of it is how risk averse or not a personality of a particular GM as well as other factors like ego or cheapness of an owner, etc.

 

[jay from jersey]

Of course we’d all sign up for the second coming of the Zibanejad trade. That was a ridiculous home run of a trade. It’s highly unlikely we can coax another team into making a mistake like that, and even harder because the bar is set higher (Zib is much better than Brass).

I really don’t know what to do here. I don’t think Eichel is the right move. It doesn’t feel like bringing Messier in to get an underachieving team over the top, it feels like selling out a plethora of young talent before they even have a chance to fail.

Keeping Zibanejad is playing with fire though. He’s so good when he’s on but the timeline just might not be right.

I think we need to hope that a flat cap limits opportunities elsewhere and makes these guys affordable somehow.

I do not want to extend Zibby. Love the guy but choice between him and Eichel, it’s Eichel 10 outta 10 due to age, contract status, and similar talent. I get why people are gun shy of getting Jack. Gorton has to be very careful to not give up too much.
But here’s a little food for thought. There were many on here gun shy about signing panarin. Thought it wouldn’t go over well. What if like Artemi, jack becomes a ranger and his best hockey is ahead of him??

 

[Off Sides]

I get the feeling the Rangers are going to play a lot of hardball with non arbitration eligible RFA contracts a lot down the line to stay cap compliant.

The DeAngelo type minimal payments may well become the new normal for a lot of teams prior to RFA eligibility

That works both ways though, had they gone longer term with Buch instead of the bridge, he would have a cap hit where they could keep him, or he'd be more valuable on the trade front with that contract and term left.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Reading the tea leaves, I get the sense we weren't actively selling.

I don’t think they were either, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t laying the ground work for deals that may happen this summer.

 

[jay from jersey]

Sorry, you can't make a blanket statement like this. The cost of doing business hits on both ends: if you're a GM of a team that is in prime window of competing for SC it's your cost of business to give up futures (near prospects and / or picks) for a ready made NHL tested talent. Of course a part of it is how risk averse or not a personality of a particular GM as well as other factors like ego or cheapness of an owner, etc.

Teams are always going to try to add to get themselves over the hump at a chance at the cup. But you dont see them mortgaging their future down the middle. At deadline time it’s mostly draft picks that are traded because the order is not yet final. Young centers are in high demand and teams will not mortgage their future down the middle. That’s why Kreids for newhook didn’t happen. It’s why the rangers tried like hell to get the Zergas pick and failed. It’s why teams go off the board and pick Kotka and Hayton before they would normally go. Young centers even prospects just aren’t really dealt unless they are disgruntled like Eichel or PLD. I don’t have any doubt Florida would need a tremendous offer to pry Lundell out before he even plays a game for them

Zibby was a financial anomaly that we took advantage of and got very lucky. Usually the best center you can acquire is a second tier guy like Hayes unless of course a player asks out. Then anything can happen

 

[jay from jersey]

Chytil for Cirelli kinda feels like a wash for me.

I think if Chytil got more minutes at PP time not a whole lot of people would rate Corelli over him. Even with the injury/covid set back. Kid was going coast to coast with highlight reel goals and assists at the NHL level when he was 19

 

[Overcast]

I do not want to extend Zibby. Love the guy but choice between him and Eichel, it’s Eichel 10 outta 10 due to age, contract status, and similar talent. I get why people are gun shy of getting Jack. Gorton has to be very careful to not give up too much.
But here’s a little food for thought. There were many on here gun shy about signing panarin. Thought it wouldn’t go over well. What if like Artemi, jack becomes a ranger and his best hockey is ahead of him??

Lot different to sign Panarin to a contract as a UFA than trading like 3/5 of our best prospects and roster players. Completely different personalities too.

What if things don't click once Eichel gets here? Is he just going to pout, run his mouth about how awful everything is, and dog it until he gets traded again?

 

[jay from jersey]

Lot different to sign Panarin to a contract as a UFA than trading like 3/5 of our best prospects and roster players. Completely different personalities too.

What if things don't click once Eichel gets here? Is he just going to pout, run his mouth about how awful everything is, and dog it until he gets traded again?

That’s what I’m saying I’m not comparing the ways they got/get here. I’m saying what’s his impact once he’s actually On a playoff team with a winning culture. There’s not A guarantee in anything in life. But from a lot of posts I’ve seen many think he will stay the same or get worse. What if, like Panarin once he gets to the Rangers he is better? What if him and LaF are like strome- panarin chemistry? Or him and Kakko or him and Kravtsov ? Big risk, big reward. But I don’t think he costs nearly as much as many think. A lot yes, crippling no. I’d take the chance on him and then gain some assets back by dealing Zibby 10 outta 10

 

[True Blue]

How do you know they did not make him available?

There was ZERO smoke about it. Not in any media. Not from any of our insiders. NOTHING. And management wants to make the playoffs. S0 subtracting him and hurting your chances makes no sense at all.

 

[Overcast]

That’s what I’m saying I’m not comparing the ways they got/get here. I’m saying what’s his impact once he’s actually On a playoff team with a winning culture. There’s not A guarantee in anything in life. But from a lot of posts I’ve seen many think he will stay the same or get worse. What if, like Panarin once he gets to the Rangers he is better? What if him and LaF are like strome- panarin chemistry? Or him and Kakko or him and Kravtsov ? Big risk, big reward. But I don’t think he costs nearly as much as many think. A lot yes, crippling no. I’d take the chance on him and then gain some assets back by dealing Zibby 10 outta 10

With Eichel though there's a lot of smoke surrounding him re: his attitude which I could only imagine is a big concern considering what happened with ADA. One of the biggest knocks I've seen is that people don't feel Eichel elevates his teammates. He goes out, scores some points (albeit not this season), and that seems to be it. Panarin was and is a consummate professional. He goes out, plays hockey, makes his teammates better (he's turned Colin f***ing Blackwell into a 1st line player ffs), and by all accounts is a solid teammate.

It would be a huge reward if Eichel had a rising from the ashes here and I would absolutely be pulling for that to happen if we acquired him, but the cost would have to be way too good to pass up.

 

[True Blue]

The problem is, if you want a young center, even an unproven one on a ELC your going to have to over pay. Even though those guys have proven nothing next to Buch. They still have name recognition from the draft, and as long as they didn’t tank in their first development year no one is going to trade them unless they feel like they are getting the more proven player. Especially in this financial climate. It sucks but it is what it is. It’s the cost of doing business. Colorado wouldn’t even trade the Newhook pick for Kreider. All these GMs know centers are at a premium. Especially young cheap ones. I have a feeling to get the player we want a lot of us are going to feel like we gave up too much, or lost the trade right away. Even if we give a little more value, our system can take the loss as long as it’s not done too often.
That’s why I laugh when names like Zergas and Byfield showed up in the Eichel thread. With those 2 pedigrees bet your bottom dollar the teams that drafted them are going to want them to play first and see what they have. Whether it’s the right or wrong decision.

One does not overpay by trading a legit top line player for some random first round center that may or may not even be an NHLer. That is just plain stupid. When have you EVER seen a trade like that? Are you telling me that each and every center that is taken in the first round is more than enough to trade for legit top liners? Maybe that should then be a strategy. Just draft all centers and then trade them for young, top liners. Teams of all sorts should just be waiting to unload 25 year old 60-70 point players.

Heck, the Rangers should draft Raty and Silinger and someone will just fork over players exactly like Buchnevich for them, right?

While we are at it, if your are a team like Florida then how do you ever make a trade for what makes your team better?

 

[Leetch3]

Wouldn't have Florida been more interested in Buchnevich this past trade deadline than this summer?

that first assume that the rangers were interested in trading him at the deadline and there is zero reason to believe that was the case.

 

[Off Sides]

There was ZERO smoke about it. Not in any media. Not from any of our insiders. NOTHING. And management wants to make the playoffs. S0 subtracting him and hurting your chances makes no sense at all.

Rangers' Pavel Buchnevich question before NHL trade deadline

 

[Leetch3]

How do you know they did not make him available?

if we didn't try to move brendan smith. we definitely didn't try to move buch. the team put value in a playoff push.