Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[TheBloodyNine]

Florida is going to be in the same spot as we are. They're not going to trade a top prospect on an ELC for a guy due a big raise.

Florida is playing in a fantasy hockey league right now. Next year when they have to play better teams with more regularity things are gonna even out.

 

[pld459666]

I would honestly need more than Lundell for a two-way playing top liner in this prime. He would absolutely need to be a part of the deal, no two ways about it. But Florida would need to add. What, we can discuss.

Conceptually i agree.

I think there is a ton of value we get with the cap relief that can be used to shore up other weaknesses.

Not to mention getting some familiarity to play with Kakko.

Ideally I'd want more as well, but push comes to shove, I make the swap straight across

 

[ETTER DE]

Team success isn't how you judge a 1 for 1 trade lol so this is f***ing nonsense.

Mika Zibanejad had the best years of his career here, years that were way more productive and impactful than anything Brassard has ever done anywhere. Brass's production pretty much started to decline the second the Rangers moved him, they cut bait at the perfect time.

But even going by your logic, if the Rangers were to trade Zibanejad and then win the cup with whom ever they get back in that trade, would they indirectly win the Brass trade again? Because they wouldn't get player x had they kept Brassard (See how ridiculous this is?)

Oh dear

 

[kovazub94]

Conceptually i agree.

I think there is a ton of value we get with the cap relief that can be used to shore up other weaknesses.

Not to mention getting some familiarity to play with Kakko.

Ideally I'd want more as well, but push comes to shove, I make the swap straight across

It comes down to other options for us and FL:

Would the Rangers be able to find a comparable for Lundell that would come with more assets in return for Buch?
Would FL be able to find a player like Buch that would only cost them Lundell?

If you answer yes to first and no to second - FL should add otherwise there's no deal.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Florida is playing in a fantasy hockey league right now. Next year when they have to play better teams with more regularity things are gonna even out.

Is that division so bad? Its top heavy sure, but it's bottom is not worse than the East. I think if you combined the East and Central, Tampa and Carolina would be 1-2 for me.

I think we're making way too much of the East to be honest. Buffalo and NJ are the 2 worst teams in the league. Philly is god awful. The isles are a completely average team. Bruins haven't been good for awhile but we all expect them to turn it on.

 

[ETTER DE]

If Ottawa would have won a Cup, you can make that argument. They did not. Rangers won this deal.

Be grateful we got some great years out of Mika and see what happens next.

Mika has been great. But Rangers took the time to develop him. And then they traded Stepan and had to rebuild....You have to look at this from Ottawas side. They went all in in the later hours of Karlsson and Stones contracts. When Ryan could still contribute. But I see that its hard to understand for many on this board because they only read here. Nothing wrong with that, it is what is it.

 

[mas0764]

It comes down to other options for us and FL:

Would the Rangers be able to find a comparable for Lundell that would come with more assets in return for Buch?
Would FL be able to find a player like Buch that would only cost them Lundell?

If you answer yes to first and no to second - FL should add otherwise there's no deal.

Yeah but I think the answer is no to the first and no to the second.

 

[True Blue]

Conceptually i agree.

I think there is a ton of value we get with the cap relief that can be used to shore up other weaknesses.

Not to mention getting some familiarity to play with Kakko.

Ideally I'd want more as well, but push comes to shove, I make the swap straight across

There will be cap space. Buchnevich can be signed just to be traded several years down the line. The team will not be n cap hell next year. When trading such a piece, the return needs to be more than a prospect whose future is likely not as a top line center.

 

[Fitzy]

There will be cap space. Buchnevich can be signed just to be traded several years down the line. The team will not be n cap hell next year. When trading such a piece, the return needs to be more than a prospect whose future is likely not as a top line center.

This is true, but they need to make sure thatBuchnevich does not get a strong NTC if that is the plan. They also have to find a way to increase Kakko and Kravtsovs minutes next season if Buchy stays

 

[True Blue]

Yeah but I think the answer is no to the first and no to the second.

Why could Buch not be shopped to Colorado or Edmonton? Or The Kings?

 

[True Blue]

This is true, but they need to make sure thatBuchnevich does not get a strong NTC if that is the plan. They also have to find a way to increase Kakko and Kravtsovs minutes next season if Buchy stays

Kakko should be playing top-6 minutes and Kravstov on the third, which is a natural increase in ice time. That is without Buchnevich being traded.

 

[Fitzy]

Kakko should be playing top-6 minutes and Kravstov on the third, which is a natural increase in ice time. That is without Buchnevich being traded.

Then Quinn needs to loosen his dependence on Colin Blackwell, IMO

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Mika has been great. But Rangers took the time to develop him. And then they traded Stepan and had to rebuild....You have to look at this from Ottawas side. They went all in in the later hours of Karlsson and Stones contracts. When Ryan could still contribute. But I see that its hard to understand for many on this board because they only read here. Nothing wrong with that, it is what is it.

Ok you did nothing but justify why they made the trade, that doesn't make this a "win" or Ottawa lol.

They went into the tank the season after their run and ended up trading Brass for a B prospect and a 1st. If the Rangers were to trade Zibanejad right now, he would return more.

Doesn't that in itself let you know that they came out on top in this one? It would have been a trade at similar times in their careers with the Rangers getting the better return package even with all of the Cap/Covid f***ery.

 

[GAGLine]

Florida is going to be in the same spot as we are. They're not going to trade a top prospect on an ELC for a guy due a big raise.

Florida has 14 mil in cap space and they don't have any pending RFAs/UFAs that look to get significant raises. They can afford Buchnevich if they want him. He makes them better now as opposed to Lundell who makes them better 2-3 years from now.

That's not to say they do it, but you never know.

 

[True Blue]

Then Quinn needs to loosen his dependence on Colin Blackwell, IMO

Absolutely. Not really a concern for this year (as much as an annoyance) but fully believe that will be the case next year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Is that division so bad? Its top heavy sure, but it's bottom is not worse than the East. I think if you combined the East and Central, Tampa and Carolina would be 1-2 for me.

I think we're making way too much of the East to be honest. Buffalo and NJ are the 2 worst teams in the league. Philly is god awful. The isles are a completely average team. Bruins haven't been good for awhile but we all expect them to turn it on.

Buffalo and NJ are the worst teams in the league, but that’s two of 8. There are a large amount of teams in these other divisions that are either bad or mediocre. The Rangers would be in the playoffs in all these other divisions.

 

[Heckler81]

Florida has 14 mil in cap space and they don't have any pending RFAs/UFAs that look to get significant raises. They can afford Buchnevich if they want him. He makes them better now as opposed to Lundell who makes them better 2-3 years from now.

That's not to say they do it, but you never know.

What? The best player on the team needs a new contract. You better give it to him this offseason. If you wait, he will just go to UFA status.

 

[kovazub94]

Florida has 14 mil in cap space and they don't have any pending RFAs/UFAs that look to get significant raises. They can afford Buchnevich if they want him. He makes them better now as opposed to Lundell who makes them better 2-3 years from now.

That's not to say they do it, but you never know.

Yup it's now vs 2-3 years down the road PLUS absolutely no guarantee that this eventual contribution will be anywhere close to what Buchnevich brings right now.

 

[gravey9]

Absolutely. Not really a concern for this year (as much as an annoyance) but fully believe that will be the case next year.

Florida's contention window is open now. Barkov and Huberdeau are in their primes. As are their D. Spencer Knight is entering the fold. Quenneville is a championship caliber coach who'll be going into his 3rd season (?) next year. The time is now for that group. And they also need to prove to Barkov that this is the place to spend your whole career with. They will need to supplement their core rapidly to take a run next season. So, I do think there is a scenario where they might be willing to move prospects/futures. Whoever brought up the idea of FL as a trade partner (Edge?) might be onto something. There's at the very least some fascinating conversations to be had with them.

 

[True Blue]

Florida's contention window is open now. Barkov and Huberdeau are in their primes. As are their D. Spencer Knight is entering the fold. Quenneville is a championship caliber coach who'll be going into his 3rd season (?) next year. The time is now for that group. And they also need to prove to Barkov that this is the place to spend your whole career with. They will need to supplement their core rapidly to take a run next season. So, I do think there is a scenario where they might be willing to move prospects/futures. Whoever brought up the idea of FL as a trade partner (Edge?) might be onto something. There's at the very least some fascinating conversations to be had with them.

Completely agree. There (using a bern term here) seem to be synergies which makes both club solid trading partners.

 

[True Blue]

What? The best player on the team needs a new contract. You better give it to him this offseason. If you wait, he will just go to UFA status.

What does this mean?

 

[Leetch3]

What? The best player on the team needs a new contract. You better give it to him this offseason. If you wait, he will just go to UFA status.

there books are pretty clean going forward aside from the god awful contract they gave bobrovsky....but really no one else is signed beyond the next few years besides ekblad. Obviously Barkov (2022) and Huberdeau (2023) are due huge raises and the top priority. But after that they would have plenty of space if they feel buch is their guy. just depends on how they want to build the team around those 2.

 

[GAGLine]

What? The best player on the team needs a new contract. You better give it to him this offseason. If you wait, he will just go to UFA status.

Yes, Barkov needs to be resigned the following summer, but they will have other money coming off the books.

 

[kovazub94]

Completely agree. There (using a bern term here) seem to be synergies which makes both club solid trading partners.

Nah, True Bernmeister would've put Buchnevich to center and have Barkov at 3LW.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Florida has 14 mil in cap space and they don't have any pending RFAs/UFAs that look to get significant raises. They can afford Buchnevich if they want him. He makes them better now as opposed to Lundell who makes them better 2-3 years from now.

That's not to say they do it, but you never know.

They gotta pay Barkov, Bennett is a RFA. Wennberg and Gusev are UFA. I haven't watched them that closely but last I checked Bennett and Wennberg were their 2/3C. Going Buch and Barvkov is going to cost them way more than 14m, with huge holes at C.