Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[ETTER DE]

Yeah, makes sense. I didn't realize Zib had scored that much before we got him. That trade still baffles me from Ottawas side.

Dvorak and Schmaltz from Arizona maybe. Larkin.

Ottawa traded their third line rw for Rangers first line center. Zib was behind Ryan and Stone at Rw. But he was also used as center behind Turris. Ottawa had a one to two year window before Kalsson and Stones contracts ended. They did not have the time to develop Mika any more at center. So they traded him for an established one. Because of their short window. And it was almost jack pot for Ottawa. They knocked Rangers out of the playoffs in the second round before they lost in overtime in game seven to Pittsburgh in the Conferance final. If Zib is traded this summer that series against Ottawa is the last and only playoff series hes had with New York. Maybe Ottawa won that trade after all?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Something w Buch for Lundell as the base would be a really nice fit for the NYR. That would be a really good scenario.

Is Florida going all in? Do they want to invest $ in Buch? We can dream I guess.

 

[kovazub94]

With the talent, size, and skating Lundell and Chytil have, you could extend Zibanjad 5x10, maybe a hair more dollars to keep the contract at 5yrs, and run Chytil and Lundell as 2a/2b.

We have Strome for one more season. That gives us time to let Lundell marinate a little longer. Then one way or another as Strome goes out the door, we promote the kids with Lundell at 3c and Chytil at 2c. As they both hit their primes, it gives us a cushion with Zibanjad as he hits the last 2 years of his deal.

The layers of cushion, production, cap hit, and replacement seem to be near flawless.

to me, this seems a more plausible path than selling the farm for Eichel and the full compass of complications that he comes with. Our wing and Defence talent depth chart is admissible to having less than elite centers and Z, Fil, and Anton are not shlubs.

Zibanejad at anything over $8 (maybe $8.5) AAV should be a non-starter.

 

[E-Train]

If Lundell + for Buch becomes reality, it opens up a ton of options.

Adding a top C prospect and still having Zib, Strome and Fil will certainly bring on some other moves. Zib for Glass/Krebs, Strome for a bottom six wrecking ball?

Balanced lineup set to the right timeline. Might end up being NYR-COL playing for the cup every year.

 

[Edge]

I like Raty as a probable third line center that adds that bulldog physicality. If he can be had where the Rangers are drafting, would be a solid add to the prospect pool. Svechkov others like a lot more than I do.

I think you start to see scenarios where, depending on what's out there and how the Rangers play it, you bring two young centers into the system. One you view as being part of a 1a/1b combination, and the other you hope can fill more of third line role.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ottawa traded their third line rw for Rangers first line center. Zib was behind Ryan and Stone at Rw. But he was also used as center behind Turris. Ottawa had a one to two year window before Kalsson and Stones contracts ended. They did not have the time to develop Mika any more at center. So they traded him for an established one. Because of their short window. And it was almost jack pot for Ottawa. They knocked Rangers out of the playoffs in the second round before they lost in overtime in game seven to Pittsburgh in the Conferance final. If Zib is traded this summer that series against Ottawa is the last and only playoff series hes had with New York. Maybe Ottawa won that trade after all?

Team success isn't how you judge a 1 for 1 trade lol so this is f***ing nonsense.

Mika Zibanejad had the best years of his career here, years that were way more productive and impactful than anything Brassard has ever done anywhere. Brass's production pretty much started to decline the second the Rangers moved him, they cut bait at the perfect time.

But even going by your logic, if the Rangers were to trade Zibanejad and then win the cup with whom ever they get back in that trade, would they indirectly win the Brass trade again? Because they wouldn't get player x had they kept Brassard (See how ridiculous this is?)

 

[kovazub94]

If Lundell + for Buch becomes reality, it opens up a ton of options.

Adding a top C prospect and still having Zib, Strome and Fil will certainly bring on some other moves. Zib for Glass/Krebs, Strome for a bottom six wrecking ball?

Balanced lineup set to the right timeline. Might end up being NYR-COL playing for the cup every year.

A couple of key moves and the only thing Gorton will need to deal with going forward will be cap management and unexpected developments.

 

[Savant]

Ottawa traded their third line rw for Rangers first line center. Zib was behind Ryan and Stone at Rw. But he was also used as center behind Turris. Ottawa had a one to two year window before Kalsson and Stones contracts ended. They did not have the time to develop Mika any more at center. So they traded him for an established one. Because of their short window. And it was almost jack pot for Ottawa. They knocked Rangers out of the playoffs in the second round before they lost in overtime in game seven to Pittsburgh in the Conferance final. If Zib is traded this summer that series against Ottawa is the last and only playoff series hes had with New York. Maybe Ottawa won that trade after all?

If Ottawa would have won a Cup, you can make that argument. They did not. Rangers won this deal.

Be grateful we got some great years out of Mika and see what happens next.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would do it in a heartbeat but mark me down among the skeptics about Lundell being available for Buch

Lundell is a top 15 prospect not in the league, I wouldn’t trade him for Buch

 

[tomobson]

Should be an interesting offseason compared to the last one. I think it's possible Zib, Strome, and Buch find themselves playing for other teams if Gorton can work enough magic. More importantly, I can't wait to see the end of the Hajek-Smith third pairing. I think some people underestimate just how effective they have been at losing us games.

 

[True Blue]

I agree. Lundell and 1st for Buch and either Hajek or Reunanen

No. Just Buch. Nothing else.

 

[Sayba]

I would like someone with a little more quickness and defense at center. What I took away as negative from the 4 games against the Devil's was their speed/quickness at center (Hughes & Nico) was superior to ours. I'm not saying they are currently better players but they could be eventually.

Our centers are producing, I just have concern if that will translate to tough playoff series against better teams.

What I'm getting at is with our talent at wing would we better served with more complete 200 foot centers with maybe less offense but that bring other elements in the future.

 

[True Blue]

I would do it in a heartbeat but mark me down among the skeptics about Lundell being available for Buch

Lundell is a top 15 prospect not in the league, I wouldn’t trade him for Buch

The love for Lundell is through the roof. There are legit doubts as to if he is a top line center. And if not, Buch is worth much more. Then there is the question of when his offensive game will come together in the NHL. The answer is probably not for quite a while. Florida is contending now and in Buchnevich would be adding a legit 60 point, two way RW. There are real questions if Lundell ever hits 60 points.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

turn Kravtsov to a center?: he has some experience, and makes the most sense and he would help this team at it's biggest need within the orgainzation would be better in the long run.

Kravtsov was alright in the WJC, but absolutely awful at the u20 4N when he played center for 6 games. I don't think a 12-game sample size 2.5 years ago where, at best, half those games he had a good performance against kids his own age, is a reason to pencil him in at center.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would like someone with a little more quickness and defense at center. What I took away as negative from the 4 games against the Devil's was their speed/quickness at center (Hughes & Nico) was superior to ours. I'm not saying they are currently better players but they could be eventually.

Our centers are producing, I just have concern if that will translate to tough playoff series against better teams.

What I'm getting at is with our talent at wing would we better served with more complete 200 foot centers with maybe less offense but that bring other elements in the future.

The issue wasn't really their quickness.

It was the amount of space they were given and our players just not putting a body on those guys. The best way to combat these small quick guys is to hit them. This isn't really a center issue as much as it is just the mentality of the team for these games. They've had no problem pushing back (or even leading the way) against some of the more physical teams in the division.

I'd love a nasty 2 way center, but those guys don't really exist.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Are waivers not allowed anymore at this point of the season?

Hypothetically speaking, if Max Domi was placed on waivers, would you claim him? We have the cap room to absorb him for the rest of the year...

 

[mas0764]

I would do it in a heartbeat but mark me down among the skeptics about Lundell being available for Buch

Lundell is a top 15 prospect not in the league, I wouldn’t trade him for Buch

I feel like I would not trade away Lundell to acquire Buch either, but you have to remember a couple things that makes this appealing from Florida's side.

They are a small market team who constantly will have to sell competition to fans to generate revenue, and chance to win to it's own players to keep them from bolting. They have guys like Frank Vatrano, Anthony Duclair, and Mason Marchmant getting top minutes for them at wing. Buch immediately gives them a huge jolt. If he comes with a contract extension, and as an RFA that's more likely, they have control over him for a time being and that helps keep a core of Barkov and Huberdeau together as well. They have other young forwards in the system like Denisenko, Noel and Heponiemi. I frankly think we might have heard more about a move like this at this deadline were it not for the fact that they lost Ekblad for the season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Are waivers not allowed anymore at this point of the season?

Hypothetically speaking, if Max Domi was placed on waivers, would you claim him? We have the cap room to absorb him for the rest of the year...

No.

He has another year after this one.

 

[mas0764]

The love for Lundell is through the roof. There are legit doubts as to if he is a top line center. And if not, Buch is worth much more. Then there is the question of when his offensive game will come together in the NHL. The answer is probably not for quite a while. Florida is contending now and in Buchnevich would be adding a legit 60 point, two way RW. There are real questions if Lundell ever hits 60 points.

But his floor is really high as well. He's probably no worse than Derek Stepan in a worst case scenario.

 

[True Blue]

But his floor is really high as well. He's probably no worse than Derek Stepan in a worst case scenario.

The floor being high, at least to me, says that the most likely scenario is that he is an excellent, two way 2C. If all else fails, he has a future as a very good 3C. Think Lars Eller.

So, I would certainly want something else for a legit, two-way young RW who is already producing at an top-line level. Buch would make Florida better immediately and for the future. Lundell may make them better in a few years and may be as much as another4 or 5 until he is also contributing at a top-6 center.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The love for Lundell is through the roof. There are legit doubts as to if he is a top line center. And if not, Buch is worth much more. Then there is the question of when his offensive game will come together in the NHL. The answer is probably not for quite a while. Florida is contending now and in Buchnevich would be adding a legit 60 point, two way RW. There are real questions if Lundell ever hits 60 points.

He doesn't have to be a top line center.

I wouldn't dismiss the value of adding a utilitarian skill set at the C position even if it comes in a package of a guy who ends up being a 35-45 point player. There are a bunch of other things in his game which are appealing and don't necessarily pop out at you on the stat sheet, but end up contributing to positive stuff all over the ice.

I'm not even a huge Lundell guy. I can't shake the though of Anisimov where everything is just a step too slow at this level to keep him from being a really, really good player but the floor still ends up resulting in a pretty solid player and someone who can contribute in a top 9.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The love for Lundell is through the roof. There are legit doubts as to if he is a top line center. And if not, Buch is worth much more. Then there is the question of when his offensive game will come together in the NHL. The answer is probably not for quite a while. Florida is contending now and in Buchnevich would be adding a legit 60 point, two way RW. There are real questions if Lundell ever hits 60 points.

The team had him ranked 5th last year, they clearly don’t have as many reservations you think

And no one is trading a sure fire 1C for Buch.

Getting a center who the team likes a lot, thinks he can contribute quickly and is the same age range as the rest of core is as good as it gets

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I would do it in a heartbeat but mark me down among the skeptics about Lundell being available for Buch

Lundell is a top 15 prospect not in the league, I wouldn’t trade him for Buch

Buch is also a 26 yo young vet 2 way player that is a PPG player in the NHL this year. Lundell hasn't played a single game in the NHL.

 

[kovazub94]

No. Just Buch. Nothing else.

Lundell is a mid 1st round pick - something that was on a table for Buch years ago when his own game had a few question marks.

At this point you don't think the asking price should be higher to also include a 1st round pick coming back in addition to a prospect?

 

[DudMan28]

The question is how far away is Lundell? If he could be in the NHL next year, I don't really see Florida making that move.

Almost feel like the TDL would've been the time to make a move. Give Barkov a top line winger and make a real run at the cup.