Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Calad]

offer sheets never happen....and you'd have to so drastically overpay. cause if you pay him a fair salary then vancouver will just match and say thanks for negotiating for us like carolina did with aho. which potentially destroys your cap situation.

I'd happily pay 2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd and 10.8m in capspace over 5 years for Pettersson.

Unfortunately this league is a joke when it comes to RFAs/offer sheets

 

[kovazub94]

The point isn't that the carousel cost us a ton of games (though if the team misses the playoffs by a point or two, are those games still meaningless?). The point is that spending the first 8 games of the season thinking that this was an actual competition for the #1 job shows an incredible lack of judgment. Everyone--literally everyone other than Quinn knew that Shesterkin is the far superior goalie. Just like everyone other than Quinn seems to understand that minutes--especially on the PP--are essential in developing high end young forwards. Quinn's judgement is in question, and he has and continues to offer plenty of validation to those questions.

So this is now the point of contention, lol? Gone other stupid arguments that Quinn is ruining prospects or stifle creativity or lost the locker room.

As far as “carousel” goes - You have to stop paying such a close attention to the WORDS given in public by either the either coaches or players (if you haven’t learned it yet - don’t know what to tell you). They never going to share their true thoughts if they thought that there’d be even a tiniest possibility of creating a negative impact in the locker room.

As far as ACTIONS go, In fact as a starter the typical split in these 8 games for Shesterkin would’ve been either 5/3 or 6/2. Take into consideration that there was no preseason where backups get at least as much time as a starter. So if you take this 5/3 split as a norm - this is a fireable offense by Quinn? Because after all the loud noise you and your #fireQuinn flock has been making on this board and all other nonsense has been dismissed- this is all that’s left to call the coach a “clown” or an “idiot” or other choice names that were regularly used?

 

[duhmetreE]

Don't listen to what the coach said. Don't worry about all the reporters writing about it, they were fooled. Don't worry about the actual rotation that took place. It was 4d chess by Quinn and you guys bit on it like a bunch of goldfish.

nonsense.

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah I don't think they will actually offer sheet him, but if the tried it, they actually have a pretty good chance of succeeding because Van is already dealing with cap hell. They only have 12 players locked up on contract next season and only 16 million in cap space. Both Hughes and Pettersson are RFAs. If there was any situation where an offer sheet could take advantage of a team's situation, it's that one.

The thing though is that Hughes can't sign an offer sheet, so they would probably just match on Peterson and then give Hughes whatever is left on a short term deal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is an interesting idea:

The point of never

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

Quinn was stifling the offense. Then the guy had to sit out with the 'rona and be forced to watch as a different guy ran things behind the bench who really was in no position to do anything other than tell his top players to do their thing. The results came considering the otherworldly amount of talent the Rangers have... and the coach, ya know, seems to have learned something. He is human, you see, he can take notes and adjust. He may look like an automaton but I have it on good word he's of biological origin. And his team has scored 43 goals in those 11 games he's been back.

I still don't think he's a good coach but at least he's allowed the play to open up a bit.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is an interesting idea:

Shapiro: The Internet Explorer of Ranger bloggers

Weren't others discussing this weeks ago already?

 

[kovazub94]

Quinn was stifling the offense. Then the guy had to sit out with the 'rona and be forced to watch as a different guy ran things behind the bench who really was in no position to do anything other than tell his top players to do their thing. The results came considering the otherworldly amount of talent the Rangers have... and the coach, ya know, seems to have learned something. He is human, you see, he can take notes and adjust. He may look like an automaton but I have it on good word he's of biological origin. And his team has scored 43 goals in those 11 games he's been back.

I still don't think he's a good coach but at least he's allowed the play to open up a bit.

Was he stifling offense last season too?

Or maybe offense returned when post Covid impact stopped stifling Zibanejad, Panarin returned from LOA and Chytil retuned to form post his injury among the real reasons that make SENSE?

 

[The New Russian Five]

Shapiro: The Internet Explorer of Ranger bloggers

Weren't others discussing this weeks ago already?

I don't really care who the source is on something like this. This isn't a rumor, it was a thought provoking idea. So who cares who it came from? Personally I'm not on board with it, but I do see the merits of it and the feasibility, which is why I shared it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd happily pay 2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd and 10.8m in capspace over 5 years for Pettersson.

Unfortunately this league is a joke when it comes to RFAs/offer sheets

Vancouver matches that anyway.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't really care who the source is on something like this. This isn't a rumor, it was a thought provoking idea. So who cares who it came from? Personally I'm not on board with it, but I do see the merits of it and the feasibility, which is why I shared it.

It's just that I've seen this debate several times over the last few weeks. But yeah, EP40 is a good candidate for an offer sheet if they were actually happening.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

This is an interesting idea:

Elite Pete my favorite non ranger in the league I would love to have him

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Shapiro: The Internet Explorer of Ranger bloggers

Weren't others discussing this weeks ago already?

I got no problem with DS but as far as burns go, it doesn't get much better than this.

 

[Calad]

Elite Pete my favorite non ranger in the league I would love to have him

One of mine as well. And we know how high the brass was on him in his draft year. Unlikely theyve changed their tune.

 

[smoneil]

So this is now the point of contention, lol? Gone other stupid arguments that Quinn is ruining prospects or stifle creativity or lost the locker room.

As far as “carousel” goes - You have to stop paying such a close attention to the WORDS given in public by either the either coaches or players (if you haven’t learned it yet - don’t know what to tell you). They never going to share their true thoughts if they thought that there’d be even a tiniest possibility of creating a negative impact in the locker room.

As far as ACTIONS go, In fact as a starter the typical split in these 8 games for Shesterkin would’ve been either 5/3 or 6/2. Take into consideration that there was no preseason where backups get at least as much time as a starter. So if you take this 5/3 split as a norm - this is a fireable offense by Quinn? Because after all the loud noise you and your #fireQuinn flock has been making on this board and all other nonsense has been dismissed- this is all that’s left to call the coach a “clown” or an “idiot” or other choice names that were regularly used?

1: He's still ruining prospects, or did you not notice that he had our four most promising young forwards stapled to the bench in a blowout against one of the worst teams in the league?

2: He said it would be an every other game rotation. He rotated them every other game for nearly 20% of the shortened season. That's not a differing opinion. It's one side being able to recognize facts and another side ignoring anything that doesn't fit the narrative.

3: Nobody said the goalie decision alone was a fireable offense. I said it showed a lack of judgement. That, combined with several other clear signs--including his lack of development of young forward prospects (particularly when we contrast how Quinn uses top prospect forwards vs how other teams have developed theirs), several young players complaining about a lack of communication, the team not looking ready for games half the time, the team "relaxing" after wins a lot of the time, etc etc. If anything, the goalie issue is the least of these, because while it was a stupid move that should have never been attempted in the first place, he DID eventually learn. A lot of the other issues with Quinn? They just keep on getting worse and worse.

4: I've been posting here at least 6 years longer than you, and yet you have more than twice as many posts. Which one of us is contributing "loud noise" again? Someone else put it perfectly--the pro-Quinn crowd seem the most pissed off. Over and over again, you and a handful of others will toss out "spiking the football" type posts. Yeah, the team won three in a row. Against the Devils. In a season where we are all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. And Quinn has our four best young forwards playing 4th line scrub minutes. You know what I liked about Knoblauch? It wasn't just that he "wasn't Quinn." Knoblauch rode the vets as well, but when the team started blowing other teams out, the kids started getting more minutes. It showed a coach who knows how to win with the vets AND play/develop the kids.

If we want Laf, Kakko, and Kravtsov to live up to their talent/draft position, they need to play hockey. Chytil is another case altogether, as he's having a career year on both sides of the puck and Quinn is seemingly benching him for it. Not counting Knoblauch coached games, you have to go back to the beginning of March to find a game where Quinn played Chytil 15 minutes or more per game. He's only averaging 13:20 (a career low) with no PP time, even though he's pacing for 44 points in an 82 game season. The kid has 7 points in his last 10 games and he's only getting 11 freaking minutes a night. What does he have to do? The last 10 games, both Strome and Zib have 10 points in 10 games. Playing 7 or 8 plus additional minutes per game, including 4+ minutes of PP time. Playing with Panarin, Buch, Fox, etc. You're telling me that with the extra minutes, PP time, and talent, you don't think Chytil can get an additional 3 or 4 points? People keep talking about wanting to see if Chytil can hold down that 2nd line spot. He's done everything except get an extended chance. We know what Strome is. We know what Zib is. We're trying to figure out what to do long term at the C spot. It's absolutely stupid not to put Chytil up there for the remainder of the season to see what he can do. If nothing else, he's earned it.

 

[RickChartraw]

recency bias, but man I sure would prefer kreider goes instead of our american hero.

 

[Lone Ranger]

It's hard to fathom, that Bread has the exact same number of points as Crosby in ten fewer games. What a player!

 

[Ola]

It's hard to fathom, that Bread has the exact same number of points as Crosby in ten fewer games. What a player!

Pavel Buchnevich is 21st in the league in 5 on 5 scoring. On pace for 40 goals over 82 games — without top unit PP time (and little 2nd unit time).

That is also darn impressive.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Pavel Buchnevich is 21st in the league in 5 on 5 scoring. On pace for 40 goals over 82 games — without top unit PP time (and little 2nd unit time).

That is also darn impressive.

And in one season (without a preseason) became one of our top PKers.

We're 3rd in the league and as Joe mentioned #1 since end of January. That's when Buch and the rest of the PKers found their groove with Martin's PK system.

Covid Ziba, cold offense/goaltending, and flukey injuries/off ice drama set this team behind the 8 ball. If this team can carry over their approach that they have had the last 2 months while adding Nils and a Faceoff/PK 4C we should have no problem making the playoffs next year.

 

[Ola]

Love to beat the Devils and awsome to see the vets keep scoring and playing well.

At the same time, we have (basically) missed the POs already.

*Kakko had like a shift on the PP.
*Laf, Kravy, Chytil and co didn’t get a single shift on PP.
*Around 11 minutes of 5 on 5 time each for Laf, Kakko, Chytil and Kravy.
*Meanwhile Rooney and Howden got 13 minutes of 5 on 5 time.
*Strome, Blackwell, Kreider and co got heavy usage 5 on 5 and PP time.

The last 35 years there is exactly ONE 1st overall pick that has been used less than Laf. One. Quinn’s philosophy that kids must learn to play defense before they can get a shot at offensive minutes just don’t hold up, Laf and Kakko if anything was better defensively than your average top pick, these guys have always been hyped for their maturity and awareness and commitment to play both ways.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Love to beat the Devils and awsome to see the vets keep scoring and playing well.

At the same time, we have (basically) missed the POs already.

*Kakko had like a shift on the PP.
*Laf, Kravy, Chytil and co didn’t get a single shift on PP.
*Around 11 minutes of 5 on 5 time each for Laf, Kakko, Chytil and Kravy.
*Meanwhile Rooney and Howden got 13 minutes of 5 on 5 time.
*Strome, Blackwell, Kreider and co got heavy usage 5 on 5 and PP time.

The last 35 years there is exactly ONE 1st overall pick that has been used less than Laf. One. Quinn’s philosophy that kids must learn to play defense before they can get a shot at offensive minutes just don’t hold up, Laf and Kakko if anything was better defensively than your average top pick, these guys have always been hyped for their maturity and awareness and commitment to play both ways.

Said it a few times, but implicitly or explicitly they are choosing to use Lafreniere less than basically any other 1OA in recent memory. I get all the logical reasons for this in a vacuum but the management team has to own the outcome on this, either way.

 

[Ola]

Said it a few times, but implicitly or explicitly they are choosing to use Lafreniere less than basically any other 1OA in recent memory. I get all the logical reasons for this management team has to own the outcome on this, either way.

Yeah, and actually, his usage don’t bug me the most.

Kakko’s usage is totally mind boggling and it don’t even remotely get enough attention. Strome over him on the PP, explain that one to me!

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Great post.

There is always a risk to get ahead of yourself with these things. Things can change so fast, one PO loss one year against a physical team and we will need more size, then the next year we could lose against a more skilled team and we will seek speed or whatever.

Three years from now we may be desperate to get something nobody foresees today.

I am definitely against getting Eichel and this is a big reason for it. We sign Kreider at LW and Trouba at RD, and like less than a year and a year and a half respectively they are in the midsts of some real bad logjams. And the logjam at RD persists even after us just tossing our top RD the previous year off the team.

Lack of speedy centers at center ice scares me, right now. But who knows, in 2-3 years maybe we are desperate for a 12m goalie, a LW, RD or whatever. In any event, having flexibility can be darn important.

They’re starting to run out of space on the left side as well.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Said it a few times, but implicitly or explicitly they are choosing to use Lafreniere less than basically any other 1OA in recent memory. I get all the logical reasons for this in a vacuum but the management team has to own the outcome on this, either way.

Lafreniere badly needs to work on his skating in the offseason. He doesn't need to be a burner but he really needs to add a better first/second stride to his repertoire to be successful in this league. It's like he thinks the game two steps faster than his feet can.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lafreniere badly needs to work on his skating in the offseason. He doesn't need to be a burner but he really needs to add a better first/second stride to his repertoire to be successful in this league. It's like he thinks the game two steps faster than his feet can.

I'm sure he will work on his game. In the off-season, Lafrenière, Miller, Barron and Robertson worked out with Kreider and Ben Prentiss in Connecticut. I don't see why he can't do that again.