Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[kovazub94]

It has been pointed out to you over and over and over again, that basically after the first 8 games, the split has been 75-25. Ever since Shesterkin asserted himself, you are simply not interested in actually who has been playing the majority of the games. And Quinn saying anything to the media is coach talk. Have you head the term before?:Just let it go.

I have heart that Quinn was spotted in Wuhan back in 2019,

Of course the issue here is that the team is far from underachieving. It is actually just the opposite.

How many posts were there yesterday that mentioned goaltending carousel that lasted 8 games. Blaming Quinn for essentially TWO games he gave to Georgiev (at the start of the season when BOTH goalies struggled, including Shesterkin), and conveniently forgetting that there was no preseason to give all goalies a game feel going into the regular season as it would’ve happened in a normal season? Such a bullshit that this even needs to be argued.

 

[RGY]

Been 3 games.

Please show me the 4th line ice time outside of that 1 game against the Islanders.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Please show me the 4th line ice time outside of that 1 game against the Islanders.

Last 3 games he was at some point moved off.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m sure he’ll work his way out of it but Kreider has been garbo the last couple weeks

He should be on the third line no doubt. Does not deserve to still be getting top 6 minutes

 

[Leetch3]

Is it me or did Kravtsov finally arriving here spark the Rangers??

he has looked great and its really exciting but the spark was panarin returning...since he returned on 3/13 the rangers are 11-4-3. 25 out of 36 possible points (.694).

4-1-2 with VK in the lineup is pretty good too but the season turned around when bread got back

 

[GAGLine]

I would try Kreider with Strome. They worked well together while Panarin was out. Maybe that will spark him again.

Kravtsov-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kreider

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So Sullivan? He was vilified while here. Who do you want or more importantly WHO is better?

Who in the world would get Zbad over covid, Bread not to take a leave, or AND THIS IS THE VITAL PART...

who would make the kids play like #1 & #2

ALL HIS FAULT yeah??????

Or maybe its his fault AND the players

I’m not putting 100% of the blame on him. It is on him and the players.

but the level to which he’s had a negative impact is more than a HC should have. Also yeah sullivan is 1000000000000000 times better.

I’d take any of the guys mentioned and every employed coach except for green and Eakins. Julien and Gallant would get the nod over him as well even though they’re out of jobs (and FYI, I don’t want Julien either.)

 

[tomobson]

Show me a norris, hart, and possible calder finalist and I'll show you a good coach.

Quinn has so many weapons and we're most likely missing the playoffs. Sad.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’m not putting 100% of the blame on him. It is on him and the players.

but the level to which he’s had a negative impact is more than a HC should have. Also yeah sullivan is 1000000000000000 times better.

I’d take any of the guys mentioned and every employed coach except for green and Eakins. Julien and Gallant would get the nod over him as well even though they’re out of jobs (and FYI, I don’t want Julien either.)

I don't know why its that hard to comprehend.

Players, playing bad = out of your control
Coaches making bad decisions = controllable

If both are happening, which one will be more noticeable?

 

[GAGLine]

I don't know why its that hard to comprehend.

Players, playing bad = out of your control
Coaches making bad decisions = controllable

If both are happening, which one will be more noticeable?

The highlighted is more subjective. What some fans call bad decisions aren't necessarily bad decisions. We as fans don't have all the information that the coaches do. That doesn't mean they are always right, but neither are the fans.

 

[duhmetreE]

The highlighted is more subjective. What some fans call bad decisions aren't necessarily bad decisions. We as fans don't have all the information that the coaches do. That doesn't mean they are always right, but neither are the fans.

That's always the case but that's why we're here at this the message board.

Personnel decisions, gameplan and in-game decisions have been criticized. Just like he's not perfect, we're not perfect. It feels like some have taken it personally in that criticism and it's become weird.

 

[GAGLine]

That's always the case but that's why we're here at this the message board.

Personnel decisions, gameplan and in-game decisions have been criticized. Just like he's not perfect, we're not perfect. It feels like some have taken it personally in that criticism and it's become weird.

The problem isn't the criticism itself, though much of it is absolutely ridiculous and people just grasping at reasons to complain about Quinn. The real problem is that it invades every thread and every conversation.

I don't care if people don't like Quinn, just stop bringing in up every 5 seconds.

 

[duhmetreE]

The problem isn't the criticism itself, though much of it is absolutely ridiculous and people just grasping at reasons to complain about Quinn. The real problem is that it invades every thread and every conversation.

I don't care if people don't like Quinn, just stop bringing in up every 5 seconds.

It stopped when we stopped underachieving.

Now, it's like the beginning of the season never happened. We never came out flat. All lineup/roster choices were great. There was no goalie rotation. PP was always great. Like we're goldfish.

Quinn is the head coach. He gets shit on when things go bad and when things are going well, no one cares because 'that's what he's suppose to do'. This isn't anything different or special here.

If you go out to eat and have a great meal and experience, do you rave about the Floor Manager?

 

[LORDE]

I’m not putting 100% of the blame on him. It is on him and the players.

but the level to which he’s had a negative impact is more than a HC should have. Also yeah sullivan is 1000000000000000 times better.

I’d take any of the guys mentioned and every employed coach except for green and Eakins. Julien and Gallant would get the nod over him as well even though they’re out of jobs (and FYI, I don’t want Julien either.)

And at the end of the day you'd complain about them also because this team is too young.

The albatross contracts aren't that bad... the elite players are there... the youth is there... the skill is there... maybe the grit needs to be more there, but overall it's just inexperience and Scotty Bowman wouldn't make this team better.

Only time will

 

[GAGLine]

It stopped when we stopped underachieving.

Did it? You and True Blue have had a lengthy conversation about it over the last day. And there were two other comments recently.

Quinn needs to go. That’s all.

Show me a norris, hart, and possible calder finalist and I'll show you a good coach.

Quinn has so many weapons and we're most likely missing the playoffs. Sad.

That's just in this thread over the last few pages.

If people want to have conversations about Quinn, positive or negative, please do it in the Quinn thread. That's all I'm asking.

 

[kovazub94]

I would try Kreider with Strome. They worked well together while Panarin was out. Maybe that will spark him again.

Kravtsov-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kreider

So he misses another tap in from Panarin? ; )
Seriously I actually like the idea of Kreider on the 4th line. No expectations to score. Just be physical, play in straight lines cycling deep around the boards and go to the net.

 

[duhmetreE]

Did it? You and True Blue have had a lengthy conversation about it over the last day. And there were two other comments recently.





That's just in this thread over the last few pages.

If people want to have conversations about Quinn, positive or negative, please do it in the Quinn thread. That's all I'm asking.

That's seems mild compared to what it was, even though It should be moved if it's not 'speculation' on 'roster building'.

I remember in the past, if something was off-topic, it was moved. If someone is trolling, it was quickly stopped.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

The more I think about it, the more I think Hajek is the one who is going to go to Seattle instead of Gauthier (who definitely shouldn't) or Howden (who should, but won't). With the signing of Zac Jones and Reunanen doing great in the AHL (and Robertson and Schneider not too far behind), there really is no room for Hajek. Lundkvist is coming over next year as well, so I think this is Smith's final season in New York and Hajek should be dealt to Seattle instead of losing one of our exposed players.

 

[The New Russian Five]

This is an interesting idea:

 

[B17 Apricots]

Throw Kreider on the 3rd line to try and get him going. Let him play against other teams bottom pairings

 

[JC704]

Pettersson is a pipe dream and would nearly be just as costly on the salary cap.

I think the Rangers should be targeting players like Hertl, Lindholm and Dvorak IMO. Might have to overpay, but those guys would mesh really well and put this group into the postseason.

 

[Taluss]

This is an interesting idea:

Could certainly make the Nucks uncomfortable considering their cap situation. I don't see it happening though. But wow if it somehow did....

 

[smoneil]

How many posts were there yesterday that mentioned goaltending carousel that lasted 8 games. Blaming Quinn for essentially TWO games he gave to Georgiev (at the start of the season when BOTH goalies struggled, including Shesterkin), and conveniently forgetting that there was no preseason to give all goalies a game feel going into the regular season as it would’ve happened in a normal season? Such a bullshit that this even needs to be argued.

The point isn't that the carousel cost us a ton of games (though if the team misses the playoffs by a point or two, are those games still meaningless?). The point is that spending the first 8 games of the season thinking that this was an actual competition for the #1 job shows an incredible lack of judgment. Everyone--literally everyone other than Quinn knew that Shesterkin is the far superior goalie. Just like everyone other than Quinn seems to understand that minutes--especially on the PP--are essential in developing high end young forwards. Quinn's judgement is in question, and he has and continues to offer plenty of validation to those questions.

 

[Leetch3]

This is an interesting idea:

offer sheets never happen....and you'd have to so drastically overpay. cause if you pay him a fair salary then vancouver will just match and say thanks for negotiating for us like carolina did with aho. which potentially destroys your cap situation.

 

[The New Russian Five]

offer sheets never happen....and you'd have to so drastically overpay. cause if you pay him a fair salary then vancouver will just match and say thanks for negotiating for us like carolina did with aho. which potentially destroys your cap situation.

Yeah I don't think they will actually offer sheet him, but if the tried it, they actually have a pretty good chance of succeeding because Van is already dealing with cap hell. They only have 12 players locked up on contract next season and only 16 million in cap space. Both Hughes and Pettersson are RFAs. If there was any situation where an offer sheet could take advantage of a team's situation, it's that one.