Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[True Blue]

igor found his game on 1/28....prior to that we played 6 games with igor and georgiev both starting 3. since 1/28, igor has started 75% of the games when he has been healthy

Hmmm.....now who was that said the below in the prior page??

Hey now, enough with all these specifics! People might have to take you seriously instead of just arrogantly dismissing your thoughts!

 

[True Blue]

Yeah, but still....

Dammit if I say there was a carousel, then there was a carousel.........

 

[Tawnos]

Which, if true, is worrying. How do you spend this long in hockey and be so bad at assessing talent/ability? He's an NHL headcoach* that can't see a backup as a backup? Yikes.

I think there's a difference between what a coach thinks and what he says... and sometimes there's even going to be a difference between what a coach thinks, underneath everything, and what actions he takes. The goaltending situation early in the season strikes me as a prime example of that. Even if Quinn truly believed that Shesterkin was the starter and Georgiev the backup, given the situation of Shesterkin's limited time in the NHL, Georgiev being, as @Fitzy put it, somewhere between starter and backup in his time in the NHL before this season, and both of them having tough performances early on... it's not really any wonder the coach is going to say to them "one of you force me to make a choice here."

And, again, it worked perfectly. Sometimes mind games just have to be played.

 

[alkurtz]

There's a lot of nitpicking over some of DQs decisions. One thing of learned is that, in any sport, the only one is going to make all the decisions I like is me, and that is never going to happen. Sometimes he does things that confuses me, of course any coach or manager of any team I ever rooted for has done the same. But as a whole, I think he is doing a fine job. In every work situation, no matter what the industry or service, government or private, there is going to be a degree of tension between employers and employees. There are times I'd love to be a fly on the wall (or in this case on the auto glass) of players griping on on the way or from practice about the way they have been treated. Admit it, you've done the same. I've done the same. In leadership roles, I know people have griped about me. It is the nature of being human. Yes, these guys might be ungodly talented, but personality-wise they are no different from you or me. I think the main story line for this year has always been to develop young players in a competitive atmosphere. It's a fine line but mission accomplished. In all sports, the coach/manager and GM relationship has changed. GMs have much more say in players are used. In all major personnel decisions made before game time, you better believe that DQ and JG have talked. JG and JD have talked. That is the nature of sports today. Yes, you can nitpick at JG, but this team is coming and perhaps coming quickly. I am thrilled with where this team has rebuilt and where it is now and where it is going and a much of the happiness is directly the result of DQ and JG. Perfect no, but if I were coaching, surely people would be nitpicking at me.

 

[True Blue]

Hard to win in this league with just good system and structure.

I thought Quinn had no system or structure?

 

[Kodiak]

Outside of the one game that Shesty 100% lost the game for the team where he gave up two bad goals in the third period and we allowed fewer than 20 shots on net, he was much better than Georgiev all season.

The goalie carousel idea lasted all of 8 games, so this feels like we're making a mountain out of a molehill.

During those 8 games, Shesterkin had:

1. A disastrous opener against the Islanders
2. One of the worst shootout performances we have ever seen against the Penguins
3. A third period where he gave up two soft goals to gift a win to the Penguins
4. An OT win against Buffalo

At the start of February, when he was given the #1 job outright, he was 1-2-1 with .894 sv% and 2.73 GAA. He was not exactly running away with the job.

 

[Tawnos]

And like I said not everything the man does is bad. I’m happy he remedied some things. I wish he would remedy some others. He’s not the worst coach in the NHL. Not among the best either. I think he does many things average. Some things above average and some things below average. I don’t expect him to be here long. Maybe 1 more year if that. But what’s listed were legitimate criticisms about the bench boss. Not fairy tales or things I made up cause I hate the guy. And some may agree and some may not and that’s fine. Thanks for your post


continually playing Howden
A mainstay on the 2nd best PK in the league. Weird he'd stay in the lineup.

PK was doing fine without him in the line up. 4th liner looked better as well.

Fair enough. I think he's fine in the role, but I also don't like to nitpick too much on 4th liners.

On balance, I think it's positive with him. And you're right, he may not be here more than 1 more year. That's not too far off from the regular shelf life of a coach to begin with, so the chances of him being here longer than that were low in the first place.

 

[alkurtz]

You do realize that, if next year, this team not only improves but does so in a dramatic fashion, a scenario that may indeed come true, many then will be lauding DQ for the job he has done. It is a thankless job, you are hired to be fired. It is a fickle profession. But nothing defines a coach more than winning, nothing is worse for a coaching career than trying to rebuild year-after-year when management makes poor decisions. I want DQ here when the team stops rebuilding and starts winning and contending. Only then will be know what kind of coach he is. As a coach for a rebuilding team, he has, on balance, done very well. If the team stops developing and going backward next year, he will be gone. But I, for one, want to see what kind of coach he will be with a winning team.

 

[Calad]

Some one needs to take the responsibility of combating idiotic and ignorant takes. Can't let the board go to complete hell by allowing the uninformed take over.

I have some red in my ledger. So it's a mitzvah.

How noble of you

 

[jay from jersey]

The goalie carousel idea lasted all of 8 games, so this feels like we're making a mountain out of a molehill.

During those 8 games, Shesterkin had:

1. A disastrous opener against the Islanders
2. One of the worst shootout performances we have ever seen against the Penguins
3. A third period where he gave up two soft goals to gift a win to the Penguins
4. An OT win against Buffalo

At the start of February, when he was given the #1 job outright, he was 1-2-1 with .894 sv% and 2.73 GAA. He was not exactly running away with the job.

Did it happen? Or is this the Mandela effect? What color was Tom cruise shirt in risky business??

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So u bring in another coach and what is our record?

He's certainly NOT Perfect but he's not the reason this team sucks and has sucked for a majority of the season

Depends on the coach?

we’re worse with AV or ruff. Trotz, lavi Cassidy and Sullivan have us in a playoff spot. Two of those guys were dealt a shitter hand than Quinn this year.

these are just the other guys in our division.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Outside of one game, he was poor more than in one game. And in viewing the beginning if the year, the way that he was playing stating that he was better than Georgiev is like deciding to drive an old Rabbit or Datsun.

Actually I forgot the 4-0 loss to the Islanders. There was a game we lost 4-3 in shootout that he gets a bad rap for because we blew a 2 goal lead and a third period lead. But the three goals were 1) perfect deflection by Rust 2) a goal Lindgren shot into his own net 3) a goal that caromed off the board to the other side.

Now the third one was half bad luck half bad goaltending and he gave up a couple of more of those types of goals so it wasn't a total fluke. But that game was a B game not a terrible game.

 

[duhmetreE]

Up until his injury, it was roughly a 60/40 split. Quinn had his 'aha' moment when he came back from the groin injury and Georgiev continued to let beach balls in. Quinn HIMSELF said 'there was a goalie rotation, regardless of outcomes..' IT LITERALLY CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH... this is not arguable or subjective..

He had 13 Games Started and the team played 21 Games. No one is talking about now. The problem was Georgiev playing more than he should have.

 

[RGY]

Better yet lets protect Blackwell and let Krieder get poached.

Quit your bitching. Kreider has been fine.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Quit your bitching. Kreider has been fine.

Huh? He's literally been god awful and is regularly getting moved to the 4th line.

 

[Kodiak]

Did it happen? Or is this the Mandela effect? What color was Tom cruise shirt in risky business??

Or... and just bear with me on this one... the entire board spent three straight weeks bitching about it and it seems like a bigger deal than it was?

 

[Elliman]

I have to share this proposal from a different board.....

“Look at this deal listed on Sharks board, it’s f***ing crazy.

To Sharks
—————-
2022 NYR 1st
2023 NYR 1st
C. Kreider (NYR)
B. Howden (NYR)

To Buffalo
—————-
2021 NYR 1st
2021 SJ 1st
2022 SJ 1st
2023 SJ 1st
R.Strome (NYR)
J. Trouba (NYR)

To NYR
——————
Jack Eichel
Erik Karlsson at 75% Reduced Cap Hit
SJ Eat 50% 5.750 Mill
Buff Eat 50% 2.875 Mill
EK Cap Hit For NYR: 2.875”

 

[egelband]

Was that when the players were rebelling on Quinn and tuning him out? Which directly led to the players now running the show. I heard that Quinn has no more input into the lineups or shift changes.

It’s like one of those movies where the *adults* (yuck!) are bumbling fools and *the kids* muster together to *make it happen*... all set to an upbeat march-y soundtrack. We’ll be roused from our seats, clapping and cheering all the way through the credits.

 

[jay from jersey]

I have to share this proposal from a different board.....

“Look at this deal listed on Sharks board, it’s f***ing crazy.

To Sharks
—————-
2022 NYR 1st
2023 NYR 1st
C. Kreider (NYR)
B. Howden (NYR)

To Buffalo
—————-
2021 NYR 1st
2021 SJ 1st
2022 SJ 1st
2023 SJ 1st
R.Strome (NYR)
J. Trouba (NYR)

To NYR
——————
Jack Eichel
Erik Karlsson at 75% Reduced Cap Hit
SJ Eat 50% 5.750 Mill
Buff Eat 50% 2.875 Mill
EK Cap Hit For NYR: 2.875”

Woah this even outshines Bern

Lowry to Jets for 5yr 3.25 per. Good player. But as many have said on here, he’s very happy in Winnipeg

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Quit your bitching. Kreider has been fine.

Huh? He's literally been god awful and is regularly getting moved to the 4th line.

To quote the great Joey T. "It's a moo point"

Kreider is automatically protected with a NMC

 

[aufheben]

From the Bruins board. This is depressing.

No, my man, what is f***ing depressing is that we’d make the playoffs in ANY other division.

 

[aufheben]

I have to share this proposal from a different board.....

“Look at this deal listed on Sharks board, it’s f***ing crazy.

To Sharks
—————-
2022 NYR 1st
2023 NYR 1st
C. Kreider (NYR)
B. Howden (NYR)

To Buffalo
—————-
2021 NYR 1st
2021 SJ 1st
2022 SJ 1st
2023 SJ 1st
R.Strome (NYR)
J. Trouba (NYR)

To NYR
——————
Jack Eichel
Erik Karlsson at 75% Reduced Cap Hit
SJ Eat 50% 5.750 Mill
Buff Eat 50% 2.875 Mill
EK Cap Hit For NYR: 2.875”

I guess is what happens when your team trades #3OA in favor of rebuilding.

 

[True Blue]

How noble of you

Why, yes it is. Thank you for noticing.

 

[True Blue]

Actually I forgot the 4-0 loss to the Islanders. There was a game we lost 4-3 in shootout that he gets a bad rap for because we blew a 2 goal lead and a third period lead. But the three goals were 1) perfect deflection by Rust 2) a goal Lindgren shot into his own net 3) a goal that caromed off the board to the other side.

Now the third one was half bad luck half bad goaltending and he gave up a couple of more of those types of goals so it wasn't a total fluke. But that game was a B game not a terrible game.

What does any of this has to do with what has been pointed out to you? Your so-called carousel was all of about less than 10 games.

 

[True Blue]

It’s like one of those movies where the *adults* (yuck!) are bumbling fools and *the kids* muster together to *make it happen*... all set to an upbeat march-y soundtrack. We’ll be roused from our seats, clapping and cheering all the way through the credits.

Quack....quack....quack....quack....