Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[kovazub94]

Heard that he farted on the bench once.

Pink eye is not a joking matter.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So there's some other Quinn's fault that bigger than this? Or you're going to continue to stay in generics?

Dude I've gone into this ad nauseam with you, it's not my fault if you continue to ignore it.

Tl;dr refresher: His in game management of his bench has been horrible, specifically losing players who were going through 2 periods on the bench for the 3rd, he leaned way too hard on a struggling Zibanejad to start the year, the goalie carousel was dumb, the constant slow starts which have led to deficits the team failed to make up.

Again, NOT EVERYTHING IS HIS FAULT. If you look at this team on a macro level, its easy to point to what you pointed to and say "THIS IS WHY THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE!" When you break it down and look at this on the micro level, he's made plenty of bad decisions which have led to losing points along the way.

This team is almost certainly in a playoff spot if Zibanejad didn't get the vid, Panarin doesn't miss 9 games, Igor doesn't get hurt, etc. But with better decision making from the HC, they're in one right now even with these things going wrong.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

At least 2/4 were said. At least.

Who blamed Covid, Injuries or a crazy ex coach on Quinn?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just want to know what Quinn did that had a worse impact on the Rangers' current standing than these.

You also act like the Rangers are the only team that have had to deal with shit this season.

Boston has had a gazillion injuries and had to play their 3rd and 4th string goalies as recently as this week, Pittsburgh was with out basically their entire starting defense for a month (Malkin has missed more time this year than Panarin has.) Washington went 4-5 games with out their best players because of Covid Protocol (and they won all of them.)

 

[True Blue]

im not sure what that addresses from my comment?

I thought that you were saying that one of the core wingers could be turned into a center via trade? Did I misunderstand?

 

[GAGLine]

To be honest with you I don't think the Rangers would be able to win both in regulation against the more experienced and better coached Bruins team.

Maybe not, but we just need to give ourselves the chance. Even if we tie them on points and then split those 2 games, we still have a chance, albeit a very small one.

 

[Edge]

@Edge mentioned this before the season started. The management team wanted the young players to play meaningful games down the stretch. Whether that means playing in the playoffs or now, it doesn't matter. The next 14 games will be played like playoff games for this team.

They're in a hunt, even if they are underdogs/playing from behind.

These are important games for our young talent. Playoffs were seen as a bonus, but not the minimum standard. That's more or less where we are right now.

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider has had 20 or more assists in each of the last 7 seasons, looks like he will break that streak this year barring a miracle.

 

[Avery16]

Have people already forgotten how painful the play-in round last season was?

 

[kovazub94]

Dude I've gone into this ad nauseam with you, it's not my fault if you continue to ignore it.

Tl;dr refresher: His in game management of his bench has been horrible, specifically losing players who were going through 2 periods on the bench for the 3rd, he leaned way too hard on a struggling Zibanejad to start the year, the goalie carousel was dumb, the constant slow starts which have led to deficits the team failed to make up.

Again, NOT EVERYTHING IS HIS FAULT. If you look at this team on a macro level, its easy to point to what you pointed to and say "THIS IS WHY THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE!" When you break it down and look at this on the micro level, he's made plenty of bad decisions which have led to losing points along the way.

This team is almost certainly in a playoff spot if Zibanejad didn't get the vid, Panarin doesn't miss 9 games, Igor doesn't get hurt, etc. But with better decision making from the HC, they're in one right now even with these things going wrong.

Ok, let me not ignore it then.

1. "he leaned way too hard on a struggling Zibanejad to start the year". Chytil was injured 5 games into the season. Please let me know whom he should've lean on, oh the wise one?
2. "the goalie carousel was dumb" - BOTH Shesterkin and Georgiev struggled to start the season. The "carousel" lasted maybe 10 games AT MOST after which it was 70% - 30% which is absolutely normal for the split
3. "constant slow starts which have led to deficits the team failed to make up" - young team (especially when facing vet teams) are known for ups-and-downs. Tell me what developing teams hasn't been known for that? And you keep forgetting to mention that the Rangers is one of the better teams in 2nd and 3rd periods to offset slow starts

BTW, this is the first time I saw you say in capitalized letters that "NOT EVERYTHING IS HIS FAULT". Please be careful with that or you might get mistaken with being a Quinn's apologist or whatever silly name you came up with (which you're good at, lol).

 

[True Blue]

BTW felt bad seeing Jack Hughes' face last night. I won't doubt for a second that the experience our prospects are getting now is some much more valuable for their overall development than whatever extra meanigless minutes Hughes or Stutzle are getting.

Absolutely. Playing in a specific type of environment matters. Let the kids marinate in that NOW as opposed to what Hughes and Cozens are embroiled in as they play out the string.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Whether they get in the playoffs or not, the kids are getting the opportunity to experience high-stakes games. This is the exact environment you want them developing in. 10-12 minutes a night in these kinds of games > 18-20 minutes in meaningless games.

 

[kovazub94]

You also act like the Rangers are the only team that have had to deal with shit this season.

Boston has had a gazillion injuries and had to play their 3rd and 4th string goalies as recently as this week, Pittsburgh was with out basically their entire starting defense for a month (Malkin has missed more time this year than Panarin has.) Washington went 4-5 games with out their best players because of Covid Protocol (and they won all of them.)

What's the average age for these team that all have recently won SCs and have essentially the same core? Could you please also add struggles that Tampa Bay Lightning faced while you're at it?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I thought that you were saying that one of the core wingers could be turned into a center via trade? Did I misunderstand?

That’s not what I mean at all. I’m saying that when Eichel is looking for a new deal, we won’t need as elite a center, because hopefully Kratsov , Kakko and laf are capable of elevating their centers. So we could theoretically let him walk if we wanted.

 

[True Blue]

What's the average age for these team that are all have recently won SCs and have essentially the same core? Could you please also add struggles that Tampa Bay Lightning faced while you're at it?

Wonder what the Pens would be like if Crosby played like Mika for the first 20 games while Malkin was out for 10? Wash, rinse repeat for the Caps with Ovechkin and Backsrtom.

 

[True Blue]

That’s not what I mean at all. I’m saying that when Eichel is looking for a new deal, we won’t need as elite a center, because hopefully Kratsov , Kakko and laf are capable of elevating their centers. So we could theoretically let him walk if we wanted.

Ahh. Got it.

One of the issues for me regarding a possible Eichel acquisition is the timing. You are betting that you win the Cup within 4 years. Otherwise, why move the assets and acquire him? And, at least to me, RIGHT NOW you substituted Mika for Eichel and subtracted Buchnevich, I really do not think that the team would be any better.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Ahh. Got it.

One of the issues for me regarding a possible Eichel acquisition is the timing. You are betting that you win the Cup within 4 years. Otherwise, why move the assets and acquire him? And, at least to me, RIGHT NOW you substituted Mika for Eichel and subtracted Buchnevich, I really do not think that the team would be any better.

Our window is the next few years as laf and Kakko and Kratsov are on elc’s, we’ve got some of the best young talent.
When those contracts come due it’s gonna be
much tighter, especially with a flat cap.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What's the average age for these team that all have recently won SCs and have essentially the same core? Could you please also add struggles that Tampa Bay Lightning faced while you're at it?

If we were leaning on our young players, you'd have a point.

Quinn has leaned heavily on our vets, so you don't.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Kreider has had 20 or more assists in each of the last 7 seasons, looks like he will break that streak this year barring a miracle.

Chris ''Cy Young'' Kreider

 

[kovazub94]

If we were leaning on our young players, you'd have a point.

Quinn has leaned heavily on our vets, so you don't.

If this is how you think you're better off posting about basketball.

 

[Fitzy]

They need to replace Miller with Laf on PP2 and go back to a 1-3-1 but besides that Quinn has been making some pretty good personnel choices of late.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Have people already forgotten how painful the play-in round last season was?

the one where everyone here went big dick nick, loudly proclaimed that the Canes were scared of us, and declared victory before the series?

I remember that one.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They're in a hunt, even if they are underdogs/playing from behind.

These are important games for our young talent. Playoffs were seen as a bonus, but not the minimum standard. That's more or less where we are right now.

I just feel like they've played like a playoff team overall and it sucks they'll waste this year by Fox and Panarin if they don't make it.

 

[Rongomania]

Have people already forgotten how painful the play-in round last season was?

I'm not sure if it was after the first period (pretty sure) or after the game but this Maloney line on the radio had me dying in the truth it held:

"Welp, it's the playoff men VS. the playoff boys.."

 

[Chytilmania]

I think we need to go 11-3. And also must win the last 2 games in Boston during regulation. It is not an easy task. Impossible? No. But very difficult. Bring it on

It's in line with Igor's career (including AHL and KHL) W/OTL%. 9-3-2 is my guess with Georgie sprinkled in.