Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[EdJovanovski]

You know you’d miss me

 

[FIRE DRURY]

You know you’d miss me

Like I’d miss herpes

 

[EdJovanovski]

Like I’d miss herpes

So you had herpes?

 

[NYR Viper]

So you had herpes?

Why past tense?

 

[Ola]

Are you friggin’ serious? Who cares what is said in Zoom interviews? They give NOTHING away.

But ok. You go on thinking that it’s the players who are running the show, if that helps you feel better about yourself or the teams. Yeah. Aside from the cowboys and Barry Switzer, this does not happen. But yeah, Quinn is in the back ground and the players are running the show.

Actually, since that is the case, you need to stop bitching and moaning about every move or personnel decision that you do not like as Quinn is not in charge and the players are. Therein lies the logic.

You are losing it again TB...

 

[True Blue]

If Tuba became captain I would legitimately reconsider my allegiance to the Rangers.

As I recall, Chimp claimed the same thing of Zucc was traded.

 

[True Blue]

May be slightly hyperbolic, but his contract is among the very worst in the league and he was without a doubt the biggest misstep of our rebuild. I would lose all faith in our organization if he were to be named captain. We should be doing everything within our power to force him to waive to Florida or something eventually, not naming him the frigging captain of our team

So dollars and not on ice play or leadership qualities are the determining factor as to who is captain?

Makes sense I guess when it’s the fandom who claims that the inmates are running the asylum.

 

[True Blue]

Not being nice

 

[True Blue]

You are losing it again TB...

Wait. I am losing it but claiming that Quinn is in the background while the players do all of the decision making is lucid?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Not being nice

Kupo is a very mean guy! Still too scared to play me in Chel too

 

[Ola]

I think we should at least try Krav at C for a few games before making some giant move
What is there to lose?

JMO, but what we need is a center that can match up against the top lines in the east. Can Kravy become a center that can counter Bergeron/Pasha/Marchand? Points line? Barzal’s line?

I like Kravy don’t get me wrong, but there is a reason Zib usually struggle in these matchups. Guys like Marchand and co will just cut down on you faster than Zib can, turn the play faster. Ultimately there is no counter against that in the game today.

From my POV, Kravy really don’t have the tools to do what Zib can’t do in these matchups.

The one player we have that do have everything to become really really strong in this context is from my POV Laf.

 

[Siddi]

Eichel is the better overall player than Zibs

No.

 

[IDvsEGO]

No.

I love zib and Eichel (when healthy) is the better player.
Eichel is a top 10 center, zib is a top 20 center, maybe squeeks into 10th spot.
Eichel with the talent we have compared to the crap he’s had almost his entire career looks vastly different than the Eichel we’ve seen.

 

[DanielBrassard]

He's overpaid by like $1.5mil tops

Ah, a cool 18.75%. And that might be generous. He's probably overpaid by more than that honestly. I haven't had an issue with his play for the most part this season but he should be moved if possible sooner than later.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Even if Zibanejad and Eichel were the exact same player, I'd rather have Eichel from 25-29 instead of Zibanejad from 29-34 or 35. Of course it depends on the acquisition cost as always but it's a fairly easy decision player for player.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Even if Zibanejad and Eichel were the exact same player, I'd rather have Eichel from 25-29 instead of Zibanejad from 29-34 or 35. Of course it depends on the acquisition cost as always but it's a fairly easy decision player for player.

There’s also the Eichel is locked up for 5 more years where mika has a new contract due in a year. And while Mika will probably make less than Eichel, he’ll also be older than when eichel’s deal ends.

 

[DanielBrassard]

There’s also the Eichel is locked up for 5 more years where mika has a new contract due in a year. And while Mika will probably make less than Eichel, he’ll also be older than when eichel’s deal ends.

That too. It's not like Zibanejad is going to be much cheaper.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I apologize. It seemed to me you are implying 3 trades. Acquiring Eichel, trading Z and trading Strome. How often does that really happen? That's so much roster turnover in a very short space of time for a team that isn't rebuilding anymore. And when a rebuilding team does it, it's usually just trading away players, not acquiring players like Eichel.

Besides that, I just do not agree that Eichel is a better player than Z right now. Could that change? Yes, cause Eichel is younger, but I don't see it now. Z is better in his own end, a better skater, more physical(though it remains to be seen if this will continue given his injury and Covid bout) and kills penalties. I would also say he has a better shot, but that is close cause Eichel has a great shot too.

I understand Eichel IS different from those players in the past, but I have heard that argument a lot. Nash is different, Gaborik is different, Richards is different, Drury is different, etc. All amounted to just a bunch of dead cap space and no cup. Haha

I guess what I'm saying is unless the deal is a crazy steal for the Rangers, I just wouldn't give up yet on the players we have currently.

Well yes obviously usually we do not see that type of turnover but again we have strome who nobody on our management or fans want to keep for 7m per, then you have zib whose contract is up after next season. So this is part of thinking ahead of the problem that comes with resigning these two for the cost and per length of contract. So i do believe we will see 2 trades this off season.

Maybe not now but again Z is in his prime of his career right now. IF we resign him to whats being spoken about he will be past his prime when his contract comes close to end of term and it doesnt really fit our window of compete. I love Z and want to keep him. But Eichel would be locked up long term already at a cap hit that is similiar to what Z will get. Only difference in Eichel is 24.

Well again, Eichel is different because he is 24. All those others, were not top 5 like Eichel or about to into be in their prime. All those you mentioned were past their prime or were a year before decline.

Again, it all depends on what will be given up.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Its all about the right asset management. You trade an asset at its peak just before decline and acquire assets at their lowest before they become prime time. You do this to continue to keep the window of your team open.

Pats did this very well when brady was with them.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think Chytil's vision and playmaking problems are overblown. He plays an extreme north south game but I think a lot of that has to do so he makes sure he stays in Quinn's good graces honestly. Confidence is an issue here. He's expressed many times before that he's not sure why he's not getting more minutes and he can only play when Quinn puts him out there. He doesn't want to giveaway the puck in the offensive zone trying to make a nice pass so instead he goes for a quick shot on net or to make a deke to open up for a shot on net or to he just cycles the puck. Which to be fair, is what you expect a good third line to do. Get in their zone and cycle and not try to be overly fancy. I think he's playing to his role and until he gets given a role that allows him more playmaking freedom I'm not sure what more we can ask of him. I wish he had stayed in Europe and developed outside of this system like Kravtsov has done tbh.

PP time would help his confidence too IMO. Meaningful PP time not 15-20 seconds. Maybe next year. Great development year for him though. Even with the wrist injury and covid

 

[jay from jersey]

I will pass on every single one of those deals except probably Chytil. I'd also rather give out NTCs to lower the cap hits.

Shesty 5x5 or so. Similar to Demko

 

[jay from jersey]

There’s also the Eichel is locked up for 5 more years where mika has a new contract due in a year. And while Mika will probably make less than Eichel, he’ll also be older than when eichel’s deal ends.

It’s mostly the age difference. When it all shakes out they’ll make similar money

 

[jay from jersey]

Zibby is in no way a better skater then Eichel. He’s also not a better Defender. Eichel is miles ahead of where Zibby was at 24. Watch his games from last year. Especially against Toronto. He has Panarin level game changing ability. When Eichel’s really going he’s an absolute beast. A line driver.almost too much to contain. If rangers can roll 2 lines out every night with a top 6 of
LaF-Eichel-Krav/buch
Panarin-Strome/trade-Kakko

they would almost be impossible to game plan against on offense. The only thing Zibby has that is superior to Jack is his slapper of the pass. But it hasn’t been good this year for various reasons. What it would cost to land Eichel would be the only reason to not want him over Zibby at this point. I can’t think of a single other reason why anyone would”t make that switch. Zibby has his games where he is a force too but Eichel is the more consistent player.

 

[Siddi]

I love zib and Eichel (when healthy) is the better player.
Eichel is a top 10 center, zib is a top 20 center, maybe squeeks into 10th spot.
Eichel with the talent we have compared to the crap he’s had almost his entire career looks vastly different than the Eichel we’ve seen.

No.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So with our many 3rd and 4th round picks, can we trade one of our fourth rounders to the Kraken in exchange for selecting Howden?